Question...If have you driven the Tesla model S vs S550, why did you choose the S550?
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Ok, put this Tesla motor on the S Class, extend the battery to 400 miles with AC switched on, reduce the recharge time to about one hour, make it with the same cost as current S Class, and I will consider it 
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The Tesla reminds me of my first lap top with 6GB hard drive back in '99 that cost me $1,500. Every time Tesla improves their beta tested car, the one before it becomes obsolete with pi$$ed off owners. Tesla then offers a greatly depreciated value if one what's to upgrade to the newer model.
Upgrades happen often in a Tesla's model year. I for one don't want to be left holding the bag with an obsolete $100K + vehicle after a few months of ownership.
Upgrades happen often in a Tesla's model year. I for one don't want to be left holding the bag with an obsolete $100K + vehicle after a few months of ownership.
As far as retaining value, you couldn't be farther from the truth. A NEW S class sells on average for 93-94% of MSRP, after the first two years a used one is closer to 70%. A new Tesla sells for MSRP and after 2 years they are selling for 90-95% of MSRP. It's the highest resale value in existence....
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You're argument is straight backwards. Tesla is the only car company in existence that regularly updates already sold vehicles to new technology when available. All done online in the owners driveway. Sure, hardware is not included but please show me a car company that doesn't improve their vehicles every year? How about another one that upgrades old cars for free?
As far as retaining value, you couldn't be farther from the truth. A NEW S class sells on average for 93-94% of MSRP, after the first two years a used one is closer to 70%. A new Tesla sells for MSRP and after 2 years they are selling for 90-95% of MSRP. It's the highest resale value in existence....
As far as retaining value, you couldn't be farther from the truth. A NEW S class sells on average for 93-94% of MSRP, after the first two years a used one is closer to 70%. A new Tesla sells for MSRP and after 2 years they are selling for 90-95% of MSRP. It's the highest resale value in existence....
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You're argument is straight backwards. Tesla is the only car company in existence that regularly updates already sold vehicles to new technology when available. All done online in the owners driveway. Sure, hardware is not included but please show me a car company that doesn't improve their vehicles every year? How about another one that upgrades old cars for free?
As far as retaining value, you couldn't be farther from the truth. A NEW S class sells on average for 93-94% of MSRP, after the first two years a used one is closer to 70%. A new Tesla sells for MSRP and after 2 years they are selling for 90-95% of MSRP. It's the highest resale value in existence....
As far as retaining value, you couldn't be farther from the truth. A NEW S class sells on average for 93-94% of MSRP, after the first two years a used one is closer to 70%. A new Tesla sells for MSRP and after 2 years they are selling for 90-95% of MSRP. It's the highest resale value in existence....
The one thing that helps sell these new Teslas is the $7,500 tax incentive, which doesn't apply to someone like myself, since my income is derived from "Capital Gains" and not "earned income".
If you go on eBay you'll see some Tesla owners attempting to sell their out dated vehicle to uniformed buyers for what you say. However they're not getting sold at those prices. The ones being sold are the ones that are greatly depreciated.
The only Tesla holding value presently is the discontinued sports car model.
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You're argument is straight backwards. Tesla is the only car company in existence that regularly updates already sold vehicles to new technology when available. All done online in the owners driveway. Sure, hardware is not included but please show me a car company that doesn't improve their vehicles every year? How about another one that upgrades old cars for free?
As far as retaining value, you couldn't be farther from the truth. A NEW S class sells on average for 93-94% of MSRP, after the first two years a used one is closer to 70%. A new Tesla sells for MSRP and after 2 years they are selling for 90-95% of MSRP. It's the highest resale value in existence....
People who bought cars before Oct 2014 got what they paid for. Nothing less. They even get software upgrades. Like I got auto high beam added by software. Never existed when I purchased the car. The 2015 added heated Steering wheel. I can't complain cause it never existed when i purchased. If it was necessary then I would wait to purchase. Just like autopilot was critical so I waited till it matched my distronic plus.
The early buyers shouldn't complain since they got what the buyers order / Windows sticker said they would at time of purchase. They do complain because they are techie so want latest and greatest all the time.
Look at how behind a car can get when you see no Bluetooth in the w221 forever. I prefer teslas ongoing free updates!
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I'm 100 percent sure you can take a survey of under 40 year old's and the tesla will be crowned as more sexy. No one said it's a Ferrari.
Can you give details on the discount you are getting in email on a new ordered tesla? I have not heard on the tesla forums about it. There is a 2-3 month wait so I'm not sure why they are giving discounts. They do discount loaners, which they call inventory cars.
Can you give details on the discount you are getting in email on a new ordered tesla? I have not heard on the tesla forums about it. There is a 2-3 month wait so I'm not sure why they are giving discounts. They do discount loaners, which they call inventory cars.
I looked through my emails and noticed that Tesla never send the details via emails, just follow-ups on it, reminders, surveys, etc.
The deal was in the showroom. I was spec'ing the P85D and the lease was in the $1700 range. They said if I get the car in Q1, they will reduce the price by by roughly $200 a month.
I was never interested enough to see the breakdown beyond what the website showed, but the emails followed up based on pulling the trigger on the deal...
It was a stand-out for me because I never heard of Tesla working a deal to make a quota....
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The Tesla reminds me of my first lap top with 6GB hard drive back in '99 that cost me $1,500. Every time Tesla improves their beta tested car, the one before it becomes obsolete with pi$$ed off owners. Tesla then offers a greatly depreciated value if one what's to upgrade to the newer model.
Upgrades happen often in a Tesla's model year. I for one don't want to be left holding the bag with an obsolete $100K + vehicle after a few months of ownership.
Upgrades happen often in a Tesla's model year. I for one don't want to be left holding the bag with an obsolete $100K + vehicle after a few months of ownership.
You better update your outdated information. The 4 wheel drive update can't be installed in the 2014 six month old Tesla. This alone has pi$$ed off many current 2014 owners. Read the Tesla forums.
The one thing that helps sell these new Teslas is the $7,500 tax incentive, which doesn't apply to someone like myself, since my income is derived from "Capital Gains" and not "earned income".
If you go on eBay you'll see some Tesla owners attempting to sell their out dated vehicle to uniformed buyers for what you say. However they're not getting sold at those prices. The ones being sold are the ones that are greatly depreciated.
The only Tesla holding value presently is the discontinued sports car model.
The one thing that helps sell these new Teslas is the $7,500 tax incentive, which doesn't apply to someone like myself, since my income is derived from "Capital Gains" and not "earned income".
If you go on eBay you'll see some Tesla owners attempting to sell their out dated vehicle to uniformed buyers for what you say. However they're not getting sold at those prices. The ones being sold are the ones that are greatly depreciated.
The only Tesla holding value presently is the discontinued sports car model.
If M-B puts in a new engine or hardware, then your car is literally "obsolete". Tesla's cars have been very similar since the start. Compare any M-B short of the G Class to what was our in 2010 or 2011. Big difference.
Tesla doesn't even do model years, again, protecting early cars for obsolescence. They pay more mind to that than about anyone, as most mass manufacturers have resorted to glorified rentals as business model ("lease then toss"), big discounts, fleet like sales, etc. Tesla know that to build a following and cachet, they need to protect early owners thus resale (as much as they can) thus timelessness. That builds a core, and it's what M-B did, as well as most others during their rises.
The amount of updates you can get to a Tesla without having to go anywhere, is above and beyond any manufacturer, period.
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If so, Tesla is a clear winner in acceleration/gas-freebie department.
On the other hand, W222 is a clear winner in everything-else department.
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Those girls in S550's video are HOTTTT btw. Tesla's, not so. Another plus for MB.
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You better update your outdated information. The 4 wheel drive update can't be installed in the 2014 six month old Tesla. This alone has pi$$ed off many current 2014 owners. Read the Tesla forums.
The one thing that helps sell these new Teslas is the $7,500 tax incentive, which doesn't apply to someone like myself, since my income is derived from "Capital Gains" and not "earned income".
If you go on eBay you'll see some Tesla owners attempting to sell their out dated vehicle to uniformed buyers for what you say. However they're not getting sold at those prices. The ones being sold are the ones that are greatly depreciated.
The only Tesla holding value presently is the discontinued sports car model.
The one thing that helps sell these new Teslas is the $7,500 tax incentive, which doesn't apply to someone like myself, since my income is derived from "Capital Gains" and not "earned income".
If you go on eBay you'll see some Tesla owners attempting to sell their out dated vehicle to uniformed buyers for what you say. However they're not getting sold at those prices. The ones being sold are the ones that are greatly depreciated.
The only Tesla holding value presently is the discontinued sports car model.
It is a fact that Tesla is the only car company to regularly update prior sold vehicles. You trying to make the opposite argument is absurd....
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So in your world a car manufacturer should never update their vehicles? Pretty sure the early 2014 S class owners didn't throw hate at MB because the 4matic came out later.
It is a fact that Tesla is the only car company to regularly update prior sold vehicles. You trying to make the opposite argument is absurd....
It is a fact that Tesla is the only car company to regularly update prior sold vehicles. You trying to make the opposite argument is absurd....
Why don't you go on to the Tesla forum and tell those earlier 2014 Tesla owners/fan boys, it's no big deal that the all wheel drive option at no additional cost means nothing. That their $129K top of the line model has the same value as the later D model has in the used car market. From what's reported, Tesla is willing to buy back those earlier 2014 P85+ at $80K per. That's only a $49K loss for those wanting to upgrade to the very latest. LOL
Last July I nearly made the mistake to purchase a top of the line Tesla, I chose the 2014 S550 only because the dealer had it in stock and at a good discount, while I would have to wait for the Tesla to be built. I would be really pi$$ed if I had purchased the Tesla and less than 2 months later of getting it, the D model at the same price became available.
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I'm going on what am reading in the Tesla owner's forum. The earlier 2014 S class owners would be pi$$ed if the 4matic came out a few months later at no additional cost as what happened with the Tesla P85D.
Why don't you go on to the Tesla forum and tell those earlier 2014 Tesla owners/fan boys, it's no big deal that the all wheel drive option at no additional cost means nothing. That their $129K top of the line model has the same value as the later D model has in the used car market. From what's reported, Tesla is willing to buy back those earlier 2014 P85+ at $80K per. That's only a $49K loss for those wanting to upgrade to the very latest. LOL
Last July I nearly made the mistake to purchase a top of the line Tesla, I chose the 2014 S550 only because the dealer had it in stock and at a good discount, while I would have to wait for the Tesla to be built. I would be really pi$$ed if I had purchased the Tesla and less than 2 months later of getting it, the D model at the same price became available.
Why don't you go on to the Tesla forum and tell those earlier 2014 Tesla owners/fan boys, it's no big deal that the all wheel drive option at no additional cost means nothing. That their $129K top of the line model has the same value as the later D model has in the used car market. From what's reported, Tesla is willing to buy back those earlier 2014 P85+ at $80K per. That's only a $49K loss for those wanting to upgrade to the very latest. LOL
Last July I nearly made the mistake to purchase a top of the line Tesla, I chose the 2014 S550 only because the dealer had it in stock and at a good discount, while I would have to wait for the Tesla to be built. I would be really pi$$ed if I had purchased the Tesla and less than 2 months later of getting it, the D model at the same price became available.
And exactly how could you option a Model S to $129k before the AWD
And yes, mercedes does make options that once cost money standard. Just look at the pana roof, it started as an option and now it's standard. I don't see S class owners getting pissed (except one who doesn't want it).
Getting upset because a company improves their product over time is just about the dumbest concept going. You really need to live in a cave to feel that way...
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My brother and I each ordered a P85D several months ago. My brother's arrived about 3 weeks before mine. He went out of town for a week and let me borrow his before mine arrived. After driving his for a few days I took a $2500 hit (my deposit) and canceled my order. I wanted to love the Tesla but I can honestly say that I hated it. No doubt it's fast but the interior just sucks and it's not a comfortable car. I didn't find anything really "sporty" about it. I love my 2015 S550. One of the great interiors and a nice car to drive.
After canceling my Tesla order I picked up a 2015 black on black Ferrari FF. So all is good!
After canceling my Tesla order I picked up a 2015 black on black Ferrari FF. So all is good!
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I'm going on what am reading in the Tesla owner's forum. The earlier 2014 S class owners would be pi$$ed if the 4matic came out a few months later at no additional cost as what happened with the Tesla P85D.
Why don't you go on to the Tesla forum and tell those earlier 2014 Tesla owners/fan boys, it's no big deal that the all wheel drive option at no additional cost means nothing. That their $129K top of the line model has the same value as the later D model has in the used car market. From what's reported, Tesla is willing to buy back those earlier 2014 P85+ at $80K per. That's only a $49K loss for those wanting to upgrade to the very latest. LOL
Last July I nearly made the mistake to purchase a top of the line Tesla, I chose the 2014 S550 only because the dealer had it in stock and at a good discount, while I would have to wait for the Tesla to be built. I would be really pi$$ed if I had purchased the Tesla and less than 2 months later of getting it, the D model at the same price became available.
Why don't you go on to the Tesla forum and tell those earlier 2014 Tesla owners/fan boys, it's no big deal that the all wheel drive option at no additional cost means nothing. That their $129K top of the line model has the same value as the later D model has in the used car market. From what's reported, Tesla is willing to buy back those earlier 2014 P85+ at $80K per. That's only a $49K loss for those wanting to upgrade to the very latest. LOL
Last July I nearly made the mistake to purchase a top of the line Tesla, I chose the 2014 S550 only because the dealer had it in stock and at a good discount, while I would have to wait for the Tesla to be built. I would be really pi$$ed if I had purchased the Tesla and less than 2 months later of getting it, the D model at the same price became available.
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I'm tempted to get a Tesla as my car of choice to go get mail from my mail box - then I don't have to worry about range anxiety, lacking the full range of safety features that the S class has, having a class act interior instead of boring, not having to contend with 'updates' on the fly when the Tesla factory so chooses to do so, along with always needing Windex to keep the instrument panel clean. BTW, my mailbox is 100 feet from my garage.
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I'm tempted to get a Tesla as my car of choice to go get mail from my mail box - then I don't have to worry about range anxiety, lacking the full range of safety features that the S class has, having a class act interior instead of boring, not having to contend with 'updates' on the fly when the Tesla factory so chooses to do so, along with always needing Windex to keep the instrument panel clean. BTW, my mailbox is 100 feet from my garage.
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And if that were not enough - leave it to this fantasy boy / thief Elon Musk ... to try and talk up this loss to the weather.
For those that missed their latest earnings report:
Tesla Motors Inc. stunned Wall Street on Wednesday by reporting a fourth-quarter adjusted loss of 13 cents a share, compared with a gain of 33 cents a share a year earlier and Wall Street expectations of earnings of 30 cents a share for the quarter.
Maybe they need another government loan?
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Ummm the Executive seat package never even existed before the AWD. So putting this 130k P85D tesla up as an example is nonsense. The poster asked how could you get to 129k Before AWD.
This price is after AWD and Executive seats. That is like someone saying how could the S550 be 165k and you posting a s63amg. You are just posting incorrect facts. There are many dumb ppl out there, the ones who own a W222 or a Telsa would not usually be in that category. Might as well agree with the post that says the S550 costs the same as a honda accord since ppl will believe anything you put on the net.
This price is after AWD and Executive seats. That is like someone saying how could the S550 be 165k and you posting a s63amg. You are just posting incorrect facts. There are many dumb ppl out there, the ones who own a W222 or a Telsa would not usually be in that category. Might as well agree with the post that says the S550 costs the same as a honda accord since ppl will believe anything you put on the net.
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I'm tempted to get a Tesla as my car of choice to go get mail from my mail box - then I don't have to worry about range anxiety, lacking the full range of safety features that the S class has, having a class act interior instead of boring, not having to contend with 'updates' on the fly when the Tesla factory so chooses to do so, along with always needing Windex to keep the instrument panel clean. BTW, my mailbox is 100 feet from my garage.
Actually at such a slow speed running 200ft in the the S550 would not even make 250 miles most likely and the Tesla you could recharge back to 250 miles in your heated garage, but you would need to drive that S550 to the gas station to refill unless you call AAA to bring gas to you.
Your S class probably has the same surface area of digital displays. Better keep the Windex.
The Tesla Is rated 5.4 stars in safety. Broke the testing machine.
It all comes back to the interior again only being the valid point in this smart post.
Again.. funny post but such nonsense.
your argument is like backwards. You should own the Tesla, you can check your mail 6600 times and repeat daily without ever having to leave your house.
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As far as Value, The 2 CL in your signature are probably the highest depreciating cars in the first 2-3 years that Mercedes has. IMO A variety of a S550 and a SL would probably be more practical and fun but I am sure you like your CL for many reasons besides being a good value. Unless you get them used. Then they are a great deal.
at 92500 (plus more state incentives in some states )you then get savings in running cost of 1/3 to 1/4 electric cost vs fuel cost. And maint savings of at least 1/2 of a S class. So it can slowly add up over a 8 year life span. HOV access is a bonus in some states too.
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Interestingly The ONLY ppl who have range anxiety are the ones who do NOT own a Tesla. I guess if you check your mail more than 6600 times a day you would have an issue of doing that 200 ft round trip trek.
Actually at such a slow speed running 200ft in the the S550 would not even make 250 miles most likely and the Tesla you could recharge back to 250 miles in your heated garage, but you would need to drive that S550 to the gas station to refill unless you call AAA to bring gas to you.
Your S class probably has the same surface area of digital displays. Better keep the Windex.
The Tesla Is rated 5.4 stars in safety. Broke the testing machine.
It all comes back to the interior again only being the valid point in this smart post.
Again.. funny post but such nonsense. your argument is like backwards. You should own the Tesla, you can check your mail 6600 times and repeat daily without ever having to leave your house.
Actually at such a slow speed running 200ft in the the S550 would not even make 250 miles most likely and the Tesla you could recharge back to 250 miles in your heated garage, but you would need to drive that S550 to the gas station to refill unless you call AAA to bring gas to you.
Your S class probably has the same surface area of digital displays. Better keep the Windex.
The Tesla Is rated 5.4 stars in safety. Broke the testing machine.
It all comes back to the interior again only being the valid point in this smart post.
Again.. funny post but such nonsense.
your argument is like backwards. You should own the Tesla, you can check your mail 6600 times and repeat daily without ever having to leave your house.IMO, the Tesla is not a contender to the S-Class. Not even close. But it is a great car nonetheless.
Electronics are not expensive and neither are e-motors. The price that Tesla asks for their cars can't be justified in the long run as much of it is to recoup development costs, pay for overpriced old battery-tech and develop better batteries.
In 5 years we'll see EV's that are realistically priced next to ICE cars and at that point we'll hopefully have more and better choices.
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Lots of silly posts in this thread; people either like or dislike cars. No need to talk down a lot of the great attributes of the Tesla.
IMO, the Tesla is not a contender to the S-Class. Not even close. But it is a great car nonetheless.
Electronics are not expensive and neither are e-motors. The price that Tesla asks for their cars can't be justified in the long run as much of it is to recoup development costs, pay for overpriced old battery-tech and develop better batteries.
In 5 years we'll see EV's that are realistically priced next to ICE cars and at that point we'll hopefully have more and better choices.
IMO, the Tesla is not a contender to the S-Class. Not even close. But it is a great car nonetheless.
Electronics are not expensive and neither are e-motors. The price that Tesla asks for their cars can't be justified in the long run as much of it is to recoup development costs, pay for overpriced old battery-tech and develop better batteries.
In 5 years we'll see EV's that are realistically priced next to ICE cars and at that point we'll hopefully have more and better choices.
Fully agree, very well stated.
I think in few years, there will be more practical EV choices and hopefully, some of those will be from classic luxury car makers such as MB.
For Tesla fans, while we don’t consider Tesal a good choice for us yet, it is good that you see it of good value to you. This will help fund the EV industry and move it from beta products to final products soon.
Happy and safe driving to all.
