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Old 02-18-2018, 03:15 PM
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I don’t mean to pollute this thread, but you obviously like SL65’s. What is the attraction? I have a 2013 SL550 that is so frigging fast. What do you do with way more horsepower? In that little car, what do you do with all that torque? Just curious.
Well...(don't judge me!) I LOVE the V12 burble and the feeling of endless thrust from all that torque. Also like the waffle stitching in the interior, etc...It just feels all that more special...
Clearly the SL550 is a great car - totally adequate for enjoyment of the roadster. ...
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Well...(don't judge me!) I LOVE the V12 burble and the feeling of endless thrust from all that torque. Also like the waffle stitching in the interior, etc...It just feels all that more special...
Clearly the SL550 is a great car - totally adequate for enjoyment of the roadster. ...
No judgement. To each their own. Thanks for the answer.
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Anyone reading this Thread, please participate in Jason’s poll on this 2018 S Class noise intrusion issue. Thank you.
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I don’t ever recall Accoustic Glass being an option on the S Class, only on the E Class, at least in the U.S.
I think it was part of the premium package and may have been low e/infra red/heat reflecting or something.
If you look in parts dot com there are 2 side widows listed as a part replacement. One is with heat reflective one with out. The one with is a quieter double glass. If you roll the window half down and look at the top edge you can see the laminations and the the film between the layers. If it looks like one solid piece you have the noisy version. On mine the printing on the bottom corner says sungate and is laminated. The E class forum has lots of people that had MB replace the glass as they got the wrong type.
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Is there a recording of this noise?

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We spend 100+k on cars, but not one person who has access to a 2018 and 2015 S550/560 can buy a cheap decibel meter and do a little scientific comparison?
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We spend 100+k on cars, but not one person who has access to a 2018 and 2015 S550/560 can buy a cheap decibel meter and do a little scientific comparison?
I've done some testing before and after on tire swaps. Let me just say it's a real mine field to navigate. Between EXACT speed, road surface, meter position, which band and weighting of frequencies (ways of measuring). For example is a tire with a Db noise level at 2,000 HZ better or worse than a tire with the same Db level at 15,000 HZ? (If a tire could produce an exact frequency) Of course wind and tire noise noise is a combination of many frequencies and perceived noise is what it's all about.
My testing couldn't really nail things down.
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We spend 100+k on cars, but not one person who has access to a 2018 and 2015 S550/560 can buy a cheap decibel meter and do a little scientific comparison?
I’ve hired the No. 1 acoustical engineering firm in SF to do CAPA Root Cause analysis of my 560 and also comp readings in my former 550.
Thought that would be more useful than anecdotal free hand measurements taken by me, a non acoustical engineering professional. Just a frustrated owner.
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I've done some testing before and after on tire swaps. Let me just say it's a real mine field to navigate. Between EXACT speed, road surface, meter position, which band and weighting of frequencies (ways of measuring). For example is a tire with a Db noise level at 2,000 HZ better or worse than a tire with the same Db level at 15,000 HZ? (If a tire could produce an exact frequency) Of course wind and tire noise noise is a combination of many frequencies and perceived noise is what it's all about.
My testing couldn't really nail things down.
Exactly. You have defined the problem. The consultant will use a static, non moving Airborne testing procedure where a constant 90dB sound source will be directed at the car. Microphones will be arrayed in the interior at predetermined locations. This same procedure will be performed with my prior 550 since I still have access to it. Goal is to tightly define sound intrusion points vs. the quiet 550.
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Exactly. You have defined the problem. The consultant will use a static, non moving Airborne testing procedure where a constant 90dB sound source will be directed at the car. Microphones will be arrayed in the interior at predetermined locations. This same procedure will be performed with my prior 550 since I still have access to it. Goal is to tightly define sound intrusion points vs. the quiet 550.
If you are going to this expense, my 2 cents is still that you are better off comparing to another 560 than to your old 550. Let's say the professional measurement reveals what you suspect, that your 560 is noisier than your 550. What would you then do with this information? The dealer, and MB, and any court (if it came to that) aren't going to give you anything, or let your return the 560 as a lemon or anything like that. They'll say that the 560 has 6500 new parts or whatever and that MB never made a guarantee that the 560 was as quiet as the 550.

But if you compare to another 560 and yours measures noisier, I think you have very valid grounds to push the dealer and if need be MB regional or corporate to fix whatever the underlying issue is. And the professional measurements should at least help narrow down the location of the problem area.
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If you are going to this expense, my 2 cents is still that you are better off comparing to another 560 than to your old 550. Let's say the professional measurement reveals what you suspect, that your 560 is noisier than your 550. What would you then do with this information? The dealer, and MB, and any court (if it came to that) aren't going to give you anything, or let your return the 560 as a lemon or anything like that. They'll say that the 560 has 6500 new parts or whatever and that MB never made a guarantee that the 560 was as quiet as the 550.

But if you compare to another 560 and yours measures noisier, I think you have very valid grounds to push the dealer and if need be MB regional or corporate to fix whatever the underlying issue is.
step one in this process is driving multiple 560s. If I determine that they all have the same noise intrusion problems as my 560, that will indicate a manufacturing/ design deficiency and dictate going down a very different path. If the others are ok vs. my 560, we will set up the sound generator equipment and take recordings on the quiet 560 as well. My old 550 is my gold standard for exterior noise isolation. I want those recordings as baseline.
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Originally Posted by HSCLA
step one in this process is driving multiple 560s. If I determine that they all have the same noise intrusion problems as my 560, that will indicate a manufacturing/ design deficiency and dictate going down a very different path. If the others are ok vs. my 560, we will set up the sound generator equipment and take recordings on the quiet 560 as well. My old 550 is my gold standard for exterior noise isolation. I want those recordings as baseline.
Got it. Good luck, it will be interesting to hear how it turns out.
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Just curious. Did the OP test drive the car before he bought it?
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Just curious. Did the OP test drive the car before he bought it?
My new one is currently going through VPC and will hopefully arrive at the dealer tomorrow. Before any deal is signed, I am going to test drive the car on the freeway for several miles.
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Just curious. Did the OP test drive the car before he bought it?
Hello. If by OP you mean HSCLA, the guy that’s miserable about the unexpected increase in cabin noise, no.
This was an ordered car. There were no 2018 S Class vehicles to test drive when the order was placed.
I had the reasonable expectation that the new S Class would be no different than my prior 2015 S550 with respect to exterior noise isolation.
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My new one is currently going through VPC and will hopefully arrive at the dealer tomorrow. Before any deal is signed, I am going to test drive the car on the freeway for several miles.
Very good move. I can’t wait to learn your impressions! The sensation I have is that either the window is not fully closed or the drivers door is not completely closed. It’s especially noticeable when cars pass by you on the left...Please let me know ASAP!
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Hello. If by OP you mean HSCLA, the guy that’s miserable about the unexpected increase in cabin noise, no.
This was an ordered car. There were no 2018 S Class vehicles to test drive when the order was placed.
I had the reasonable expectation that the new S Class would be no different than my prior 2015 S550 with respect to exterior noise isolation.
“OP” refers to the “Original Poster” or thread starter.

Do you think that you would have noticed this noise in a 15 minute test drive, or is it something that you didn’t really notice until later?
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“OP” refers to the “Original Poster” or thread starter.

Do you think that you would have noticed this noise in a 15 minute test drive, or is it something that you didn’t really notice until later?
i noticed it immediately. Just make certain you experience cars passing by you on your left. That’s when it’s most noticeable.
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i noticed it immediately. Just make certain you experience cars passing by you on your left. That’s when it’s most noticeable.
You sir, have inspired me. I’m going, right now, down to my local dealer and I’m going to test drive one off the lot. I’ll get it up on the freeway. I’ll report back in a few hours.
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Streamliner,

Out of curiosity, on your order, what does the Netstar screen show as the Model Year (MY)? 2018-1 or 2018-2?

The reason I am asking is, I heard a non-confirmed rumor that the 2018-2 model is addressing some bugs, potentially including something to do with the pano roof. Emphasis on non-confirmed. The reason I asked about this was my MY moved from 2018-1 to 2018-2 (in production now), and I was just trying to figure out why and what the differences are...
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You sir, have inspired me. I’m going, right now, down to my local dealer and I’m going to test drive one off the lot. I’ll get it up on the freeway. I’ll report back in a few hours.
Excellent! I’ll be looking for your report.
If the car is quiet, would really appreciate the last 8 of the VIN.

thank you!
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Streamliner,

Out of curiosity, on your order, what does the Netstar screen show as the Model Year (MY)? 2018-1 or 2018-2?

The reason I am asking is, I heard a non-confirmed rumor that the 2018-2 model is addressing some bugs, potentially including something to do with the pano roof. Emphasis on non-confirmed. The reason I asked about this was my MY moved from 2018-1 to 2018-2 (in production now), and I was just trying to figure out why and what the differences are...
Are you referring to this “20182” on the build sheet?

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I just looked at my build sheet and it is 2018-2.

I’m fairly certain my car may have this issue based on the few days I drove it in Europe. Its on a boat now and will be stateside next week.
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I am quite confident those both are referring to what I was talking about. Not the exact same way I see it, but my build state is not the same as yours either... From Skerdian's response it is clear that there was no remedy between 2018-1 and 2018-2 for this issue...

Anticipation on my part was building up, but it just went pfffttt.... Sad...
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Excellent! I’ll be looking for your report.
If the car is quiet, would really appreciate the last 8 of the VIN.

thank you!
OK, just for you, my friend, I ventured into the Lion’s Den: Fletcher Jones Motor Cars and violated my pledge to never set foot on their lot again. However, this is WAR and someone has to go into enemy territory, right?

I drove a new 2018 S560, non-AMG Line. I took it on the freeway and drove it up to 75mph. I drove with a large truck to my immediate left and purposely drove along side other traffic at speed. I did not ascertain any discerable noise coming into the interior that was beyond what I hear in my current 2015 S550, with the exception that there was more tire noise, but I am running conventional tires on my car. I will say that the car was very smooth with the new 9-speed trans and felt reasonably quicker than my car.

Here are photos showing the VIN. I hope this helps. I know it has put my mind to rest. And, the salesman was so nice, I’ll give him a shot at my business.







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