2019 Maybach S
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The Maybach could be—and should be—SO much more. OK, so they changed the grill, added the chrome on the front and what I personally think is a ridiculous feature with the gimmicky headlights. Other than that, the car is a long wheelbase W222, nothing much more. It comes in the same, old, worn out colors that MB has used pretty much across the model lines for years now. The interiors are virtually the same as what in available in an S450.
I truly feel that MB is missing a great opportunity with the Maybach. They should offer their most well heeled customers the opportunity to truly customize their cars, with many more color and interior options. In addition, the minuscule trunk—for a car the size of a Maybach—should be increased in size. Hell, you can hardly put a days worth of shopping on Rodeo Drive in that itsy-bitsy trunk! And, the wonderful Maybach Exclusive Wheels only come as 20”. I drove a Maybach with them and the car could not hold a candle to my S560 in ride comfort, riding on those 20’s and shod with run flats,
To me, the Maybach is just another MB variant of an existing model, and this adnausiam behavior is really starting to get old. The Maybach should just be called an S560 or S600 LWB. It isn’t special enough to be called a Maybach. MB decided to build it because they EASILY could. When will this juggernaut of German engineering prowess give us something truly breathtaking? Putting the Ocean Drive into production would have been an excellent start, but instead, they gave us the easily accomplished S Class Cabriolet, which very few folks seem to like. Let’s face it, when it comes to real luxury & opulence, MB can’t seem to compete with the gorgeous things that roll out of jolly, old England.
I truly feel that MB is missing a great opportunity with the Maybach. They should offer their most well heeled customers the opportunity to truly customize their cars, with many more color and interior options. In addition, the minuscule trunk—for a car the size of a Maybach—should be increased in size. Hell, you can hardly put a days worth of shopping on Rodeo Drive in that itsy-bitsy trunk! And, the wonderful Maybach Exclusive Wheels only come as 20”. I drove a Maybach with them and the car could not hold a candle to my S560 in ride comfort, riding on those 20’s and shod with run flats,
To me, the Maybach is just another MB variant of an existing model, and this adnausiam behavior is really starting to get old. The Maybach should just be called an S560 or S600 LWB. It isn’t special enough to be called a Maybach. MB decided to build it because they EASILY could. When will this juggernaut of German engineering prowess give us something truly breathtaking? Putting the Ocean Drive into production would have been an excellent start, but instead, they gave us the easily accomplished S Class Cabriolet, which very few folks seem to like. Let’s face it, when it comes to real luxury & opulence, MB can’t seem to compete with the gorgeous things that roll out of jolly, old England.
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Streamliner made some good points
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The Maybach could be—and should be—SO much more. OK, so they changed the grill, added the chrome on the front and what I personally think is a ridiculous feature with the gimmicky headlights. Other than that, the car is a long wheelbase W222, nothing much more. It comes in the same, old, worn out colors that MB has used pretty much across the model lines for years now. The interiors are virtually the same as what in available in an S450.
I truly feel that MB is missing a great opportunity with the Maybach. They should offer their most well heeled customers the opportunity to truly customize their cars, with many more color and interior options. In addition, the minuscule trunk—for a car the size of a Maybach—should be increased in size. Hell, you can hardly put a days worth of shopping on Rodeo Drive in that itsy-bitsy trunk! And, the wonderful Maybach Exclusive Wheels only come as 20”. I drove a Maybach with them and the car could not hold a candle to my S560 in ride comfort, riding on those 20’s and shod with run flats,
To me, the Maybach is just another MB variant of an existing model, and this adnausiam behavior is really starting to get old. The Maybach should just be called an S560 or S600 LWB. It isn’t special enough to be called a Maybach. MB decided to build it because they EASILY could. When will this juggernaut of German engineering prowess give us something truly breathtaking? Putting the Ocean Drive into production would have been an excellent start, but instead, they gave us the easily accomplished S Class Cabriolet, which very few folks seem to like. Let’s face it, when it comes to real luxury & opulence, MB can’t seem to compete with the gorgeous things that roll out of jolly, old England.
I truly feel that MB is missing a great opportunity with the Maybach. They should offer their most well heeled customers the opportunity to truly customize their cars, with many more color and interior options. In addition, the minuscule trunk—for a car the size of a Maybach—should be increased in size. Hell, you can hardly put a days worth of shopping on Rodeo Drive in that itsy-bitsy trunk! And, the wonderful Maybach Exclusive Wheels only come as 20”. I drove a Maybach with them and the car could not hold a candle to my S560 in ride comfort, riding on those 20’s and shod with run flats,
To me, the Maybach is just another MB variant of an existing model, and this adnausiam behavior is really starting to get old. The Maybach should just be called an S560 or S600 LWB. It isn’t special enough to be called a Maybach. MB decided to build it because they EASILY could. When will this juggernaut of German engineering prowess give us something truly breathtaking? Putting the Ocean Drive into production would have been an excellent start, but instead, they gave us the easily accomplished S Class Cabriolet, which very few folks seem to like. Let’s face it, when it comes to real luxury & opulence, MB can’t seem to compete with the gorgeous things that roll out of jolly, old England.
1) They did offer from 2004 and on (forgot when they ceased) - a Maybach in it's own right. 57 and 62. They lost money on everyone they sold. The cost was 100k to 200k more than the current Maybach S600. (150 to 250k more than an S560 Maybach). It was very customizable - two tone paint - could have the interior rear cabin cordoned off from the front. Could have special woods put in, etc. It didn't sell well, or enough to warrant continuing it.
2) The price of these Maybachs (not to repeat) are significantly less than the pre-era Maybachs. For that money - they had to streamline it. Had to be done on assembly line with others. Otherwise it would likely not meet their budget to get the car to market at the prices given. $165k for an S560 Maybach is pretty darn amazing actually. It offers the executive the ability to have a very comfortable roomy S560 4matic - with all the comforts of a larger space for 30K more than a fully loaded S560 (135k). I think that's one hell of a good sales pitch. Do you remember when Mercedes imported S600s? They were $168k. So again, for 30k more - you could get a S600 maybach. Brilliant to offer it at the price they are. Don't have any idea of their sales records but if it is NOT selling - it is not the price point.
3) You mentioned above about it being more appropriately labeled an S Class LWB. However, they make the S Class in SWB and LWB. America just gets the LWB. So it would technically be a LWB+ by your definition - but the car's rear interior surely gives it more than just an LWB feel. It's a distinct length when you compare it to other luxury cars that offer SWB and LWB (A8 vs A8L 750i vs 750Li XJ8 vs XJ8L).
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The Maybach could be—and should be—SO much more. OK, so they changed the grill, added the chrome on the front and what I personally think is a ridiculous feature with the gimmicky headlights. Other than that, the car is a long wheelbase W222, nothing much more. It comes in the same, old, worn out colors that MB has used pretty much across the model lines for years now. The interiors are virtually the same as what in available in an S450.
I truly feel that MB is missing a great opportunity with the Maybach. They should offer their most well heeled customers the opportunity to truly customize their cars, with many more color and interior options. In addition, the minuscule trunk—for a car the size of a Maybach—should be increased in size. Hell, you can hardly put a days worth of shopping on Rodeo Drive in that itsy-bitsy trunk! And, the wonderful Maybach Exclusive Wheels only come as 20”. I drove a Maybach with them and the car could not hold a candle to my S560 in ride comfort, riding on those 20’s and shod with run flats,
To me, the Maybach is just another MB variant of an existing model, and this adnausiam behavior is really starting to get old. The Maybach should just be called an S560 or S600 LWB. It isn’t special enough to be called a Maybach. MB decided to build it because they EASILY could. When will this juggernaut of German engineering prowess give us something truly breathtaking? Putting the Ocean Drive into production would have been an excellent start, but instead, they gave us the easily accomplished S Class Cabriolet, which very few folks seem to like. Let’s face it, when it comes to real luxury & opulence, MB can’t seem to compete with the gorgeous things that roll out of jolly, old England.
I truly feel that MB is missing a great opportunity with the Maybach. They should offer their most well heeled customers the opportunity to truly customize their cars, with many more color and interior options. In addition, the minuscule trunk—for a car the size of a Maybach—should be increased in size. Hell, you can hardly put a days worth of shopping on Rodeo Drive in that itsy-bitsy trunk! And, the wonderful Maybach Exclusive Wheels only come as 20”. I drove a Maybach with them and the car could not hold a candle to my S560 in ride comfort, riding on those 20’s and shod with run flats,
To me, the Maybach is just another MB variant of an existing model, and this adnausiam behavior is really starting to get old. The Maybach should just be called an S560 or S600 LWB. It isn’t special enough to be called a Maybach. MB decided to build it because they EASILY could. When will this juggernaut of German engineering prowess give us something truly breathtaking? Putting the Ocean Drive into production would have been an excellent start, but instead, they gave us the easily accomplished S Class Cabriolet, which very few folks seem to like. Let’s face it, when it comes to real luxury & opulence, MB can’t seem to compete with the gorgeous things that roll out of jolly, old England.
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Reasonable argument but a few points to note.
1) They did offer from 2004 and on (forgot when they ceased) - a Maybach in it's own right. 57 and 62. They lost money on everyone they sold. The cost was 100k to 200k more than the current Maybach S600. (150 to 250k more than an S560 Maybach). It was very customizable - two tone paint - could have the interior rear cabin cordoned off from the front. Could have special woods put in, etc. It didn't sell well, or enough to warrant continuing it.
2) The price of these Maybachs (not to repeat) are significantly less than the pre-era Maybachs. For that money - they had to streamline it. Had to be done on assembly line with others. Otherwise it would likely not meet their budget to get the car to market at the prices given. $165k for an S560 Maybach is pretty darn amazing actually. It offers the executive the ability to have a very comfortable roomy S560 4matic - with all the comforts of a larger space for 30K more than a fully loaded S560 (135k). I think that's one hell of a good sales pitch. Do you remember when Mercedes imported S600s? They were $168k. So again, for 30k more - you could get a S600 maybach. Brilliant to offer it at the price they are. Don't have any idea of their sales records but if it is NOT selling - it is not the price point.
3) You mentioned above about it being more appropriately labeled an S Class LWB. However, they make the S Class in SWB and LWB. America just gets the LWB. So it would technically be a LWB+ by your definition - but the car's rear interior surely gives it more than just an LWB feel. It's a distinct length when you compare it to other luxury cars that offer SWB and LWB (A8 vs A8L 750i vs 750Li XJ8 vs XJ8L).
1) They did offer from 2004 and on (forgot when they ceased) - a Maybach in it's own right. 57 and 62. They lost money on everyone they sold. The cost was 100k to 200k more than the current Maybach S600. (150 to 250k more than an S560 Maybach). It was very customizable - two tone paint - could have the interior rear cabin cordoned off from the front. Could have special woods put in, etc. It didn't sell well, or enough to warrant continuing it.
2) The price of these Maybachs (not to repeat) are significantly less than the pre-era Maybachs. For that money - they had to streamline it. Had to be done on assembly line with others. Otherwise it would likely not meet their budget to get the car to market at the prices given. $165k for an S560 Maybach is pretty darn amazing actually. It offers the executive the ability to have a very comfortable roomy S560 4matic - with all the comforts of a larger space for 30K more than a fully loaded S560 (135k). I think that's one hell of a good sales pitch. Do you remember when Mercedes imported S600s? They were $168k. So again, for 30k more - you could get a S600 maybach. Brilliant to offer it at the price they are. Don't have any idea of their sales records but if it is NOT selling - it is not the price point.
3) You mentioned above about it being more appropriately labeled an S Class LWB. However, they make the S Class in SWB and LWB. America just gets the LWB. So it would technically be a LWB+ by your definition - but the car's rear interior surely gives it more than just an LWB feel. It's a distinct length when you compare it to other luxury cars that offer SWB and LWB (A8 vs A8L 750i vs 750Li XJ8 vs XJ8L).
Of course I know of those earlier cars. The problem, at least in my eyes, is that they were bulbous and UGLY compared to offerings from Rolls & Bentley. Many wealthy folks, despite what some may say, still have a sense of beauty and elegance. I was no huge fan of the last Phantom, but next to those 57’s & 62’s, they were gorgeous.
I agree about keeping the current Maybach “affordable,” and I know about the W222 SWB & LWB versions in other countries, but if the “Maybach” is nothing more that a stretched W222 LWB, it should be called the S560L or S600L. It may be a nice car, as all W222’s are, but the bottom line is that there is virtually nothing different enough or special enough about it, to deserve a different name.
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I would imagine that the Maybachs are a hot item with upscale livery companies in the Big Apple, not to mention well heeled Wall Street types.
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Another thing about the Maybach 57 and 62 . . . in addition to being ugly as mentioned by Streamliner, they seemed to really push the two-tone paint schemes, which in my opinion were not good. I remember seeing some in what I would call Brewster Green and some kind of beige. Awful looking. In addition, they didn't offer even the technology being offered in the then-current S class. The only wood you could get the first year was a horrible looking almost bright red cherry wood. Then came the 57S and 62S trying to boost sales by adding what I don't know to give it a more sporty look/feel. Hard to figure. Yes, some of the 62's were equipped with the divider window, a la some stretched Lincoln Town Car limousine or a throw back to the Cadillac Fleetwood 75's. Truly awful cars with out of this world high prices.
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I sat in an S560 Maybach last night at Ray Catena, If it were a few inches longer - I think it would sell better. Im 5ft 10 and I could use 2 or 3 more inches for my legs not to come near the seat in front of me. I had to push it forward all the way - rendering it useless for front passenger. I think if the back seat were a touch longer - you'd be able to have a true 4 seater.
I do agree though with Streamliner re: the customizable ability. (For an extra charge). They could experiment with what Porsche does - and charge a supreme premium for it. My 2017 911 4S could have been a $180,000 car with all the options i could have played with (color of stitch - type of wood - name plates - leather here and there and everywhere - etc).
I do agree though with Streamliner re: the customizable ability. (For an extra charge). They could experiment with what Porsche does - and charge a supreme premium for it. My 2017 911 4S could have been a $180,000 car with all the options i could have played with (color of stitch - type of wood - name plates - leather here and there and everywhere - etc).
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Instead of saying "sell better" - I'll amend it to "have more bang for the buck" or "make even more sense" or "Sell even better" (not to impune their current sales). I personally think if there were just a couple inches more room in the back - it would have been "even" better.
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Think what some people don’t realize is that the Maybach brand is re establishing itself and likely will offer increasingly more exotic choices. Take a look at the suv Model they say they are bringing out or that limited maybach convertible from last year. With all that said it is actually an s class, but having one that extra eight inches makes for a nice back seat.
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Think what some people don’t realize is that the Maybach brand is re establishing itself and likely will offer increasingly more exotic choices. Take a look at the suv Model they say they are bringing out or that limited maybach convertible from last year. With all that said it is actually an s class, but having one that extra eight inches makes for a nice back seat.
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So yes the trunk is not that big especially if the fridge is in there but thankfully it is easily removable and we have not had any issues with needing extra space. Of course it does help to have the big Ford work van if I we have to haul something around............ With that said you are correct the 16 engine is 100 less hp than the s65 but now its the same for either the 17 or 18 year. And yes as I have said before the Maybach IS an S class like you so pointed out. I actually have seen TWO of the Maybach two door convertibles and I was like wait a min it looks like a s65 with different wheels.................... go figure.
