SCARY Active Brake Assist malfunction?
#26
Hi All,
I started a thread so we can get a head count on people with this issue, across different platforms. If your car's having this problem, please post here:
https://mbworld.org/forums/mercedes-...ml#post7833418
I started a thread so we can get a head count on people with this issue, across different platforms. If your car's having this problem, please post here:
https://mbworld.org/forums/mercedes-...ml#post7833418
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Update: Since I started this thread, I have never had any other problems with the emergency braking system. It has performed flawlessly. Maybe a bird just flew in front of the sensor from down low or???
#28
SCARY SUDDEN ACTIVE BRAKE ASSIST MALFUNCTION
My wife and I were up in Montecito this week, which is about a three hour drive from our home. While driving our 2018 S560 down a two lane, residential highway, going maybe 35 or 40mph, the car suddenly and totally unexpectedly slammed on the brakes for an instant. I had been looking straight ahead at the time and had not seen anything cross our path, such as a squirrel, cat, bird, etc. In addition, the road was straight, level and there were no vehicles in front of me or approaching from the opposite direction. There were trees and tall hedges on either side of the road, but they were at least ten or twenty feet away on either side.
The warning tone sounded, our seatbelts cinched tightly and the car braked so strongly that you could feel the ABS kick in. It all happened in an instant and then it was over. I believe that I may have tromped on the brake pedal as well, just as a reflex, but it all happened so fast, that I really don’t remember all the details. I looked to see if we had run over anything, but there was nothing. We continued about two miles to our destination, where I examined the car, but there was no sign of anything out of the ordinary. Only a few, small bugs on the plastic Distronic sensor.
I have to tell you that my wife screamed and this event scared the hell out of me. The car has operated perfectly since this happened and I used Distronic most of the way on our drive home. Did the system just hiccup or??? Has anyone else ever experienced this? I plan on taking the car into the dealer this week and having it checked out. Scary!
The warning tone sounded, our seatbelts cinched tightly and the car braked so strongly that you could feel the ABS kick in. It all happened in an instant and then it was over. I believe that I may have tromped on the brake pedal as well, just as a reflex, but it all happened so fast, that I really don’t remember all the details. I looked to see if we had run over anything, but there was nothing. We continued about two miles to our destination, where I examined the car, but there was no sign of anything out of the ordinary. Only a few, small bugs on the plastic Distronic sensor.
I have to tell you that my wife screamed and this event scared the hell out of me. The car has operated perfectly since this happened and I used Distronic most of the way on our drive home. Did the system just hiccup or??? Has anyone else ever experienced this? I plan on taking the car into the dealer this week and having it checked out. Scary!
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Stream - my 2019 E300 just did this on a trip between NC and NY. Applied the brakes at about 70mph as I was changing lanes on I-81 in MD. I believe it "saw" the truck in the right lane and braked hard because it thought I was going to hit it. (I was changing from left to center lane...)
I had to step on the gas and override it so that I did not get creamed by traffic behind me. It felt like about a 40% brake application - so not as hard as yours, but a big surprise to me and an unwelcome one at that.
No issues since then and I am steering a bit further away from anything as I make lane changes with Distronic on. I chalked it up to tech that is helpful, but imperfect, but like you, I sure didn't appreciate it.
I had to step on the gas and override it so that I did not get creamed by traffic behind me. It felt like about a 40% brake application - so not as hard as yours, but a big surprise to me and an unwelcome one at that.
No issues since then and I am steering a bit further away from anything as I make lane changes with Distronic on. I chalked it up to tech that is helpful, but imperfect, but like you, I sure didn't appreciate it.
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Stream - my 2019 E300 just did this on a trip between NC and NY. Applied the brakes at about 70mph as I was changing lanes on I-81 in MD. I believe it "saw" the truck in the right lane and braked hard because it thought I was going to hit it. (I was changing from left to center lane...)
I had to step on the gas and override it so that I did not get creamed by traffic behind me. It felt like about a 40% brake application - so not as hard as yours, but a big surprise to me and an unwelcome one at that.
No issues since then and I am steering a bit further away from anything as I make lane changes with Distronic on. I chalked it up to tech that is helpful, but imperfect, but like you, I sure didn't appreciate it.
I had to step on the gas and override it so that I did not get creamed by traffic behind me. It felt like about a 40% brake application - so not as hard as yours, but a big surprise to me and an unwelcome one at that.
No issues since then and I am steering a bit further away from anything as I make lane changes with Distronic on. I chalked it up to tech that is helpful, but imperfect, but like you, I sure didn't appreciate it.
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Lanzz (04-15-2021)
#33
So this braking took place while using Distronic. Was LKA turned on too? Another poster mentioned experiencing unexpected braking while making a lane change and isn't it true that LKA can use the brakes if it thinks the car is leaving it's lane in some dangerous manner?
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Tom, in my case, Distronic was on. I don't think LKA would have applied the brakes because I had the turn signal on when it happened. If I understand how LKA works, it only applies brakes in response to a lane marker deviation when the turn signal is not used.
#35
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My wife and I were up in Montecito this week, which is about a three hour drive from our home. While driving our 2018 S560 down a two lane, residential highway, going maybe 35 or 40mph, the car suddenly and totally unexpectedly slammed on the brakes for an instant. I had been looking straight ahead at the time and had not seen anything cross our path, such as a squirrel, cat, bird, etc. In addition, the road was straight, level and there were no vehicles in front of me or approaching from the opposite direction. There were trees and tall hedges on either side of the road, but they were at least ten or twenty feet away on either side.
The warning tone sounded, our seatbelts cinched tightly and the car braked so strongly that you could feel the ABS kick in. It all happened in an instant and then it was over. I believe that I may have tromped on the brake pedal as well, just as a reflex, but it all happened so fast, that I really don’t remember all the details. I looked to see if we had run over anything, but there was nothing. We continued about two miles to our destination, where I examined the car, but there was no sign of anything out of the ordinary. Only a few, small bugs on the plastic Distronic sensor.
I have to tell you that my wife screamed and this event scared the hell out of me. The car has operated perfectly since this happened and I used Distronic most of the way on our drive home. Did the system just hiccup or??? Has anyone else ever experienced this? I plan on taking the car into the dealer this week and having it checked out. Scary!
The warning tone sounded, our seatbelts cinched tightly and the car braked so strongly that you could feel the ABS kick in. It all happened in an instant and then it was over. I believe that I may have tromped on the brake pedal as well, just as a reflex, but it all happened so fast, that I really don’t remember all the details. I looked to see if we had run over anything, but there was nothing. We continued about two miles to our destination, where I examined the car, but there was no sign of anything out of the ordinary. Only a few, small bugs on the plastic Distronic sensor.
I have to tell you that my wife screamed and this event scared the hell out of me. The car has operated perfectly since this happened and I used Distronic most of the way on our drive home. Did the system just hiccup or??? Has anyone else ever experienced this? I plan on taking the car into the dealer this week and having it checked out. Scary!
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That car never did that again in the approx 18 more months I continued to drive it. I turned it in and now have a 2020 S560. The issue was never resolved and the best I can figure is that a bird swooped across the front of the sensor or a large leaf blew in front of it. I did not see either of those things, but they still could have happened. Good luck with your car.
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Quenthel (05-24-2021)
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Juliamaree is this problem still occurring? My Gls450 just did this to me a few days ago. Absolutely no reason. Still in dealership trying to determine cause. I am concerned they will not have a resolution.
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#38
I've had the same experience only my experiences have been on the tollway. I live right outside of the major metropolitan area in Texas. This is happened to me twice driving down the toll road and all of a sudden the brakes slam on my car fishtails down the road. Last year the sensors were replaced and I was told that it was due to a faulty sensor and that due to the toll road mechanisms that engage my active brake system. That happened in 2019. This is 2021 and the same thing happened to me again on the tollway yesterday July 23, 2021. I was in the fast lane passing doing well over the speed limit as I should not have been all of a sudden my car locked up my seatbelt cinching me in and I was fishtailing very close to the retaining wall on my left. Like you, I instinctively tapped my brakes and it seemed to bring it out of the fishtail but then all the way home this occurred 5 to 6 different times, I finally exited the toll road and had to take the back roads. I immediately went to the Mercedes dealership where I purchased the car and the gentleman that greeted me thought that I have been there a few days ago with the same problem he confused me with another customer that was in a black Mercedes E300 mine is midnight blue. I told him I was not the same customer but I had the same problem today and I have the same problems with sensors that will replace almost a year ago. My car is a lease car now I'm very frightened to drive it even if I'm going to replace the sensors again. My car is in the shop they're taking a look into it. I am seriously considering speaking to an attorney to get me out of my lease agreement so that I can get a different car without the auto brake system. I don't know of anyone that has had an accident due to the sensors yet and I don't want to be the first one. This is very very dangerous I was so shaken yesterday I was so upset I shouldn't have to go through this in a $65,000 vehicle that I chose for safety.
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I've had the same experience only my experiences have been on the tollway. I live right outside of the major metropolitan area in Texas. This is happened to me twice driving down the toll road and all of a sudden the brakes slam on my car fishtails down the road. Last year the sensors were replaced and I was told that it was due to a faulty sensor and that due to the toll road mechanisms that engage my active brake system. That happened in 2019. This is 2021 and the same thing happened to me again on the tollway yesterday July 23, 2021. I was in the fast lane passing doing well over the speed limit as I should not have been all of a sudden my car locked up my seatbelt cinching me in and I was fishtailing very close to the retaining wall on my left. Like you, I instinctively tapped my brakes and it seemed to bring it out of the fishtail but then all the way home this occurred 5 to 6 different times, I finally exited the toll road and had to take the back roads. I immediately went to the Mercedes dealership where I purchased the car and the gentleman that greeted me thought that I have been there a few days ago with the same problem he confused me with another customer that was in a black Mercedes E300 mine is midnight blue. I told him I was not the same customer but I had the same problem today and I have the same problems with sensors that will replace almost a year ago. My car is a lease car now I'm very frightened to drive it even if I'm going to replace the sensors again. My car is in the shop they're taking a look into it. I am seriously considering speaking to an attorney to get me out of my lease agreement so that I can get a different car without the auto brake system. I don't know of anyone that has had an accident due to the sensors yet and I don't want to be the first one. This is very very dangerous I was so shaken yesterday I was so upset I shouldn't have to go through this in a $65,000 vehicle that I chose for safety.
#40
Brake assist malfunction
I've had the same experience only my experiences have been on the tollway. I live right outside of the major metropolitan area in Texas. This is happened to me twice driving down the toll road and all of a sudden the brakes slam on my car fishtails down the road. Last year the sensors were replaced and I was told that it was due to a faulty sensor and that due to the toll road mechanisms that engage my active brake system. That happened in 2019. This is 2021 and the same thing happened to me again on the tollway yesterday July 23, 2021. I was in the fast lane passing doing well over the speed limit as I should not have been all of a sudden my car locked up my seatbelt cinching me in and I was fishtailing very close to the retaining wall on my left. Like you, I instinctively tapped my brakes and it seemed to bring it out of the fishtail but then all the way home this occurred 5 to 6 different times, I finally exited the toll road and had to take the back roads. I immediately went to the Mercedes dealership where I purchased the car and the gentleman that greeted me thought that I have been there a few days ago with the same problem he confused me with another customer that was in a black Mercedes E300 mine is midnight blue. I told him I was not the same customer but I had the same problem today and I have the same problems with sensors that will replace almost a year ago. My car is a lease car now I'm very frightened to drive it even if I'm going to replace the sensors again. My car is in the shop they're taking a look into it. I am seriously considering speaking to an attorney to get me out of my lease agreement so that I can get a different car without the auto brake system. I don't know of anyone that has had an accident due to the sensors yet and I don't want to be the first one. This is very very dangerous I was so shaken yesterday I was so upset I shouldn't have to go through this in a $65,000 vehicle that I chose for safety.
Dealership has my GLS450 and I have heard very little back since Tuesday. One phone call saying that they are sending info to engineers. I asked about my incident recorder in the car and the mgr said only a few faults showed up but nothing related to my incident. One related to a garage door. Interesting as I do not use a garage door opener through my car. But he said the engineers will ask for more information that perhaps he cannot see on his side. I was sure that it would have recorded this incident, but now I am worried as it doesn't seem to show much except for something that doesn't even pertain to my car.
On another note, I purchased this car in April 2021. One month after, my entire front panel went out on me. I was in Michigan and had to drive home without any use of the entire panel. Fortunately I know old school driving. The module was replaced but since then my navigation is completely useless and malfunctioning. Most of the time doesn't recognize address. Sometimes sends me to all parts US but not what I need. Once I finally get the correct address it continually tries to reroute me off highways and tollways (and no I do not have that checked as requested, I check every time). Reroutes me even when the location is within my sight. This has been confirmed by other people in my car watching the car taking me in circles. I have called twice on this with very little explanation and no resolution. I have had to drive to NYC and NJ using apple carplay navigation as I cannot trust the navigation in my car. Same as you, I am about finished with this car three months in. Need to break the lease. I feel safer in my 5 year old jeep.
I am going to file a complaint on the nhtsa.gov website with regards to the abrupt braking just incase this is happening to other people and they are looking for information. Perhaps you will want to do the same. Please keep me posted on what your MB dealer says.
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Sorry to hear all of you experiencing these issues. ADAS is meant to help prevent an accident or mitigate the impact of one instead of increasing the risk of causing it. Since it is a safety issue, I think it is reasonable to ask the dealership to not toss the car keys back to you unless it is fixed. Active brake assist could be disabled temporary so the system doesn't intervene but buying a vehicle from a brand that is known for safety, and especially paying all the extras for these safety systems to begin with, disabling the systems isn't really a solution. Either way, if you do you want to disable it, you have the option, the setting is located in the Assistant menu under Vehicle settings in the infotainment. You can set it to Early, Medium, Late or Off.
Good luck to you all in getting this fixed, execute your rights and if you live in the USA, perhaps even start a lemon law claim if you meet the criteria.
Good luck to you all in getting this fixed, execute your rights and if you live in the USA, perhaps even start a lemon law claim if you meet the criteria.
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#42
I have had this sort of malfunction on two vehicles that I have had with this technology from different manufacturers, 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee and 2017 Lexus LS460L. It is indeed very scary. Including my S560 I have had 6 vehicles with this tech, 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee, 2015 Kia Sedona, 2017 Chrysler Pacifica, 2017 Lexus LS460L, 2020 Chrysler Pacifica, 2020 Mercedes S560.
I think this kind of malfunction is just always a possibility with this type of system.
I think this kind of malfunction is just always a possibility with this type of system.
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I have had this sort of malfunction on two vehicles that I have had with this technology from different manufacturers, 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee and 2017 Lexus LS460L. It is indeed very scary. Including my S560 I have had 6 vehicles with this tech, 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee, 2015 Kia Sedona, 2017 Chrysler Pacifica, 2017 Lexus LS460L, 2020 Chrysler Pacifica, 2020 Mercedes S560.
I think this kind of malfunction is just always a possibility with this type of system.
I think this kind of malfunction is just always a possibility with this type of system.
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#46
No, the first distronic systems came out in the W220, but full speed distronic where it would bring the car all the way to a stop didnt come out until the W221, and autonomous emergency braking didnt come about until 2009.
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#48
I have the same issues with my 2013 E350 wagon. I have filed a complaint on the NHTSA site and would encourage others to do the same. I have the same package on my Audi A6 and never experienced any false alarms or braking without necessity. Clearly, this is a defect!
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#50
Wondering where you are with this issue? My dealership just got back to me and expected response, "cannot duplicate action" and "refer to user manual for reasons system may activate". Svc manager told me to call their Customer Service CAC to file complaint which I did. 1-800-367-6372
Not sure what happens next.
Not sure what happens next.
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