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I suggest to tone down the doom and gloom until the car is actually introduced.
Personally i found the latest S-Class model always to be the best in class with no equal on introduction. As with the W222. Nothing close to match it at any price.
I reserve my judgement until then.
In regards to the 7 series; definitely a fine car with questionable design elements.
Definitely not quick movers; you can lease these for $900 a month
New Bentley looks good though. It finally arrived in this decade technically. Those will be cheap to lease soon for less than S63 money. Definitely an option.
Interesting that the average Bentley owner is quite a bit younger than average S-class owners. Who would have known...
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New Bentley looks good though. It finally arrived in this decade technically. Those will be cheap to lease soon for less than S63 money. Definitely an option.
Interesting that the average Bentley owner is quite a bit younger than average S-class owners. Who would have known...[/QUOTE]
For many folks, it can take decades to finally see through all of the hype and to figure out that the "Best" is not always the flashiest or the most expensive.
Not a fair analogy, you are comparing S560 to the new Spur.
Current competitor would be the S65 with it’s 12 cylinder engine or even the Maybach S650.
In that case the price difference is relatively negligible.
I agree with everyone here, that new Spur is really, really attractive and desirable.
Not a fair analogy, you are comparing S560 to the new Spur.
Current competitor would be the S65 with it’s 12 cylinder engine or even the Maybach S650.
In that case the price difference is relatively negligible.
I agree with everyone here, that new Spur is really, really attractive and desirable.
I think the current S regardless of 560 or 650 or 65 is a magnificent automobile. Period. My point is base model to base model it's two to one. I'm sure Bentley will offer limited up market versions of the Spur similar to the 12 cylinder (which are going away) models MB offers. However based on the upcoming S vs the newer Spur, MB has its work cut out.
Mercedes is trying to hide the pop-up door handles of the S-Class in this prototype with some weirdly shaped consoles that are mounted to the front and rear doors. It’s not fooling us as we’ve seen the actual shape and design of the handles in previous spy photos. Generally speaking, this test car looks like an early development prototype and is probably not revealing all the progress that's been made by the company’s engineers so far.
The new Mercedes S-Class (internal code W223) may look evolutionary on the outside but inside the cabin, there will be a small revolution. An older batch of spy shots revealed the interior will be completely transformed with the dashboard featuring a massive Tesla-esque touchscreen with a portrait orientation. Of course, there’s a second display that acts as an instrument cluster while most of the physical buttons are gone.
We expect to start seeing less camouflaged prototypes in the next months as Mercedes is planned to kick off production of the new S-Class sometime next year.
I would love to be wrong, time will tell. As for the key, that doesn't debunk anything. They may not have implemented that part into this prototype.
My question is why does MB feel the need to float the screens? Why can't they integrate them? Like Bentley.
Sorry it does debunk everything. Keys have been gone for 2 years since the facelift. Prototype interiors are either based on current gen. designs or earlier revisions or the new layouts.
If you spend a little more time looking at it you will find that it's a simple Photoshop hack and a bad one at that. I am not saying that it won't have similarities (as we have seen actual prototypes already) but this is a simple fake.
I think the current S regardless of 560 or 650 or 65 is a magnificent automobile. Period. My point is base model to base model it's two to one. I'm sure Bentley will offer limited up market versions of the Spur similar to the 12 cylinder (which are going away) models MB offers. However based on the upcoming S vs the newer Spur, MB has its work cut out.
Technically, the current S-Class is already more advanced than the new Bentley so Mercedes doesn't have to do much. It's a game Bentley or RR can't keep up, nor do they really have to. Different customer focus; it just has to be good enough to be technically current. The prior models were woefully outdated.
Technically, the current S-Class is already more advanced than the new Bentley so Mercedes doesn't have to do much. It's a game Bentley or RR can't keep up, nor do they really have to. Different customer focus; it just has to be good enough to be technically current. The prior models were woefully outdated.
I agree with you.
I don't think the Bentley or RR customer needs their car to have a vibrating steering wheel when the tires touch a lane marker - or to have it drive itself. The emergency breaking though is pretty important. Though I don't know for certain - I'd be surprised if they don't have that feature - considering their parent companies specialize in that safety tech.
Technically, the current S-Class is already more advanced than the new Bentley so Mercedes doesn't have to do much. It's a game Bentley or RR can't keep up, nor do they really have to. Different customer focus; it just has to be good enough to be technically current. The prior models were woefully outdated.
No argument on the tech. That part is most obvious and evident. However tech does not necessarily equate to luxury. My concern is, will MB sacrifice these qualities in the interest of tech.
Customer focus for the S has always been cutting edge and industry leading tech, but not at the expense of the ultimate experience on luxury and elegance. The luxury experience has always been the driver along with the tech. The new Bentley interior blows away what we have seen so far for the new S. Bogus or not. That's all we have to go by and this is a S class forum.
I think the current S regardless of 560 or 650 or 65 is a magnificent automobile. Period. My point is base model to base model it's two to one. I'm sure Bentley will offer limited up market versions of the Spur similar to the 12 cylinder (which are going away) models MB offers. However based on the upcoming S vs the newer Spur, MB has its work cut out.
The W12 Spur will have a base price around $225k but it is coming later on, first we get the 550HP V8 priced around $195K and soon after a Hybrid with base around $165k.
These are the figures from the dealers preview last month at the factory.
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Originally Posted by absent
The W12 Spur will have a base price around $225k but it is coming later on, first we get the 550HP V8 priced around $195K and soon after a Hybrid with base around $165k.
These are the figures from the dealers preview last month at the factory.
Interesting and thanks for posting. I thought they were going to lead with the W12. Hybrid may tempt me.
The W12 Spur will have a base price around $225k but it is coming later on, first we get the 550HP V8 priced around $195K and soon after a Hybrid with base around $165k.
These are the figures from the dealers preview last month at the factory.
I'd be interested to see what the lease rates on the V8 look like.
MB is not going to sacrifice luxury for tech. It will find a sweet fusion. The new Flying Spur is beautiful and sits in the high level of exclusivity but I’ve always thought of late model S classes as superior when you take into account safety and technology. No doubt the interior quality of the new Bentley is nice and shows hints of Audi touch screen technology. The s class has economy of scale as it is a mass produced car. A mass produced car is not necessarily inferior to the custom order. I actually prefer it for reliability and ease of repair and parts. Is the Bentley worth almost twice the price of an Audi A8? The Audi is no slouch.
i’m a fan of the VW 4.0L Tfsi engine now that most kinks have been worked out. The new MB 4 liter v8 is very comparable. These are the two of the best turbo V8 engines in the world.
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As much as I love the way my S560 drives, I have never cared all that much for the exterior design or the selection of interior/exterior color options. I hate the black, glass roof, the small trunk and the idea of run flat tires & no spare. With that in mind, if Bentley provides a suitable host of modern safety measures with the new car, I could very easily be tempted. Fooling around just now on their website, I came up with what might be my choices. In addition to the colors, I just LOVE that all steel roof. Anyone know if the car uses RFT or has a spare?
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The new Continental felt more Porsche Panamera in handing than old Continental, which of course helps making it much more beautiful to drive, and the Naim system blows the Burmester out of the water, might be something to do with smaller cabin size, will try the Bang and Olufsen one soon. It's definitely a drivers car, as it should being a coupe. Wonder what the effect of 20s vs 22s would be. Also, the Bentley does have adaptive cruise control and lane keeping assist.
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Originally Posted by UrBusted
Also, the Bentley does have adaptive cruise control and lane keeping assist.
Yes, though I'd note that their options tend to be pretty pricey, generally. My impression (from reading, not test drives) has been that the best lane keeping is from Tesla, followed by MB, but this review made the Bentayga's driving aids sound pretty good... Bentley Bentayga's autonomous tech tops Audi's
The Porsche Panamera, Audi A8, and Bentley are all built on the same chassis.
And ride eerily similarly with the sportiest of the bunch going to the Panamera of course.
If you were blindfolded you would not know the difference between the Bentley and the A8. Have driven them both. From a noise perspective both of these cars are quieter than the W222, and confirmed by C&D's instrumented tests. Quieter than the Maybach, even and as per like every review out there, both are more comfortable than the W222.
And ride eerily similarly with the sportiest of the bunch going to the Panamera of course.
If you were blindfolded you would not know the difference between the Bentley and the A8. Have driven them both. From a noise perspective both of these cars are quieter than the W222, and confirmed by C&D's instrumented tests. Quieter than the Maybach, even and as per like every review out there, both are more comfortable than the W222.
Don't shoot the messenger please.
I have seen the test and couldn't find just now. I recall the difference to be 1db if memory serves. If so, that is negligible and I am sure MB will want to top that in the W223.
The biggest issue with the Audi is not the competence, it is a fine car, but with the cars design (subjective of course) but that car bores my pants off, poor leasing programs and lousy dealers we we live.
The biggest issue with the Audi is not the competence, it is a fine car, but with the cars design (subjective of course) but that car bores my pants off, poor leasing programs and lousy dealers we we live.
Conservative conservative conservative. Some buyers prefer to be the wolf in sheeps clothing and have a world-class car that does not draw attention to itself. It's great to have choices. With pricing these days, I agree with others that Bentley can be attractive for lease and Audi can be a fantastic bargain in three years as a CPO. Too bad the 4.0L engine is not yet available stateside in 2019. More importantly, the problems with the VW 4.0L TFSI engine have been ironed out, so it is now a reliable long term engine. Unfortunately, the sales volume of A8L's in the USA is low, and there isn't a big selection out there for used cars.
I have seen the test and couldn't find just now. I recall the difference to be 1db if memory serves. If so, that is negligible and I am sure MB will want to top that in the W223.
The biggest issue with the Audi is not the competence, it is a fine car, but with the cars design (subjective of course) but that car bores my pants off, poor leasing programs and lousy dealers we we live.
2-3db depending on scenario and oh, btw, no run flats 😂
06-25-2019, 04:05 PM
