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It does not matter who the subcontractors are or who makes what. Mercedes is responsible for the final product and the quality or lack of it reflects on Mercedes.
The voice input makes no difference, The nav system still has problems. In addition, the mirrors stopped folding today when I lock the door. This S450 is becoming the worst car I have ever had.
The voice input makes no difference, The nav system still has problems. In addition, the mirrors stopped folding today when I lock the door. This S450 is becoming the worst car I have ever had.
As far as the mirrors not folding is concerned, someone probably accidentally bumped the controls inside the driver's side door. That happened to me a month ago. A simple press of the folding mirror button immediately fixed it. But you hate this car so much that you should talk to MB USA to see what they can do for you. Personally, I absolutely love my 2019 S450.
This never happened on any S-Classes I have owned. The mirrors fold OK with the door button, but not automatically when the doors are locked, as they used to do,
I have talked with MBUSA, but am not impressed. They tried to explain to me that nav technology is "new" and not perfect. I told them that my 2005 CL500, 2010 S-Class and 2015 S-Class and 2011 MLE all had nav systems that worked perfectly and that this 2019 S450 does not.
This never happened on any S-Classes I have owned. The mirrors fold OK with the door button, but not automatically when the doors are locked, as they used to do,
I have talked with MBUSA, but am not impressed. They tried to explain to me that nav technology is "new" and not perfect. I told them that my 2005 CL500, 2010 S-Class and 2015 S-Class and 2011 MLE all had nav systems that worked perfectly and that this 2019 S450 does not.
Above you stated you have owned 7 MBs and this is your 4th S Class and all of them have worked perfectly from post #3 above (from your post from 2015 below it would appear this is not correct). I have pulled one of your posts (below) from over four years ago and you were not happy with the your 2015 S Class and you continue to complain about your new 2019 S Class (you may just want to buy another brand since you appear to hate your MB cars). I am feeling like you are constantly complaining. I tried to help you (I was glad to attempt to help a fellow S Class owner out) and someone suggested you use the voice command but it would appear you just want to complain. I am feeling a pattern here since I am struggling to figure out how I or any here can help you. How can any of us on this forum help you? You have got the attention of some great people on this forum so keep that in mind since some people would like to help you out but if you just complain and truly do not want help people on the forum will tune you out.
I'm not an MB fanatic or any car fanatic, except for perhaps the air cooled 911 Turbos that really connected with my nervous system. When I buy a car, or a laptop, or a high def TV, I expect that the software and hardware work as advertised, and when it does not, it is taken care of promptly without arm waving and excuses left and right, My 2015 S550 had some issues but the dealer took care of it. When I buy a car at $100,000+, I expect that the car has been fully checked out at the factory and by the dealer so that the systems work as advertised and as described in owner's manuals, especially in the case of Mercedes that spends lots of words on how great they are. In the big picture, the software and hardware used in today's cars is pretty basic and not rocket science.
Above you stated you have owned 7 MBs and this is your 4th S Class and all of them have worked perfectly from post #3 above (from your post from 2015 below it would appear this is not correct). I have pulled one of your posts (below) from over four years ago and you were not happy with the your 2015 S Class and you continue to complain about your new 2019 S Class (you may just want to buy another brand since you appear to hate your MB cars). I am feeling like you are constantly complaining. I tried to help you (I was glad to attempt to help a fellow S Class owner out) and someone suggested you use the voice command but it would appear you just want to complain. I am feeling a pattern here since I am struggling to figure out how I or any here can help you. How can any of us on this forum help you? You have got the attention of some great people on this forum so keep that in mind since some people would like to help you out but if you just complain and truly do not want help people on the forum will tune you out.
1) Nav system can't find house numbers and Zip codes, 2) Owner's manual does not open, 3) Automatic mirror folding has failed twice in less than a month. The start-stop system does not work when it is 95 degrees outside, which is probably "normal". The car has been in the shop for a week but they could not fix it. A lemon.
In Europe, the S-Class has been for sale for quite a while with the new in-line 6 cylinder which has the starter/generator on the crankshaft between the engine and transmission. The start/stops are un-noticeable and the starter also works as a helper engine when more torque is needed. Don't understand why MBUSA does not import that version. An inline 6 beats a V-6 any day.
True that.
Additionally regarding your first post assuming that other Mercedes at the dealership nav systems can locate your shop foreman's address, I don't think that it is unreasonable for you to expect your nav system to be able to do it. Similarly it is not your responsibility to figure it out either. Like you say this is pretty old technology. They need to make this right.
OK, so that's the problem. The A/C compressor should be driven by an electric motor so that the start/stop system can work in all environments.
You would need a battery the size of a Tesla Model S in that case to keep it going. You really need to reset your expectations or you're going to make yourself ill. Its only a car and these really are first world problems.
That's not true. The Tesla battery powers the whole car for a couple of hundred miles. I'm taking about a battery that powers the A/C, lights, wipers, radio, for a few minutes and starts the engine. The start-stop system in my wife's BMW X3M40 is much more sophisticated than the one in the 2019 S 450.
That's not true. The Tesla battery powers the whole car for a couple of hundred miles. I'm taking about a battery that powers the A/C, lights, wipers, radio, for a few minutes and starts the engine. The start-stop system in my wife's BMW X3M40 is much more sophisticated than the one in the 2019 S 450.
Okay, I've been trying to hold this conversation in a very professional manner. If the S450 is as bad as you claim, then the S Class would fall to last place in sales with no hope of recovery. Why don't you buy yourself an upper end BMW sedan since you speak highly of its features?
I'm only talking of my 2019 S 450, not of the S-Class in general. Just because the start-stop system works much better on my wife's BMW, does not mean that I would buy a BMW. But Mercedes needs to be careful. The new CLS has not received good reviews in the US motor press, and a recent comparison of the new 2020 GLE with similar size SUVs from Audi, BMW and Porsche put the Mercedes GLE last.
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