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Old Dec 7, 2020 | 05:22 PM
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You'd be surprised.
I agree. My score is around 800 right now but at one time it was down to below 600 because I carelessly let merchants pull soft and hard inquiries without thinking about it. I think differently now.
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Old Dec 7, 2020 | 05:26 PM
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Actually checks are electronicly cleared immediately. I bought my Lexus in '13 and paid by personal check. The finance guy took my check, left the room, and came back a few minutes later giving it back to me saying it had cleared.
That's true too. Much of this has just become effective in the past 3 or 4 years. More common each day.
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Old Dec 7, 2020 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by places
I'm not sure if a single hard pull will negatively impact credit. I think that it would need to be more than one in a short time frame as far as I know.
One hard pull will definitely hurt your credit, at least a little. If you happen to have had a few other inquiries lately it might hit it 20 points or so actually.

The dealer just doesnt need to see your SSN or your credit report here.
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Old Dec 7, 2020 | 06:33 PM
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Old Dec 8, 2020 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Jud Chapin
Actually checks are electronicly cleared immediately. I bought my Lexus in '13 and paid by personal check. The finance guy took my check, left the room, and came back a few minutes later giving it back to me saying it had cleared.
What you experienced is a remote capture. The check didn't clear immediately, they ran the check through a scanner which automatically deposited into their account. The car company does not need to then go to the bank and deposit it. Their bank then does their usual digital true up from the opposing bank- usually in 24/48 hrs with most major banks. You can still cancel the check until it clears.

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I doubt there is a car manufactuer in the world that gives a crap about who buys their cars with the one possible exception, Bugatti, that has very limited production. There's a lot drug dealers out there driving high end vehicles.
Mercedes is very strict with this actually. When you purchase a GL you have to sign an agreement that you will not export it for a period of time (usually a year). They are made here in the states and people will buy them and export them for a large profit. Vin #'s don't lie and MB can easily trace it when they go in for service in China. A very good friend/client is blacklisted from buying a Mercedes because his son was doing a few trucks a year. He would go around the country and buy a truck and export it. By the time MB caught on he had exported 5 vehicles, not to mention more BMWs as well. Having the same name as his son and the same previously known address and bam, he's locked out.

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Old Dec 8, 2020 | 10:26 AM
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Here is a recent article on straw buyers for all the naysayers.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...s-and-porsche/
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Old Dec 8, 2020 | 10:34 AM
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Here is a recent article on straw buyers for all the naysayers.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...s-and-porsche/
Being June in Georgia, it was hotter than two hamsters farting in a wool sock.

LMFAO!!

That was a great read, danke!

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Old Dec 8, 2020 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by superpop
Here is a recent article on straw buyers for all the naysayers.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...s-and-porsche/
I read that when it first came out and just now a second time. Truly one of the best written articles to ever be published in a car rag...
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I'm not a naysayer, I agree that happens, its just not my problem, its their problem. I'm not going to surrender my SSN and take an inquiry on my credit report to protect them.
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Old Dec 8, 2020 | 03:48 PM
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I guess to answer the OP question, this is normal practice at most dealers I have purchased cars from in the past 5 years or so. It is your choice but they also do not have to sell you the car.
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Old Dec 9, 2020 | 02:04 PM
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Dealer wants me to fill out the credit application

if the dealer has doubt then just have your credit union fax over the draft. issue solved.
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 04:09 PM
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I run a credit union. Trust me, do not fill out the credit app unless you intend to finance the through the dealer. Work out the amount you owe the dealer before hand, and bring an official check from your credit union to pay. An official check is the equivalent of a certified check from a bank. Nearly impossible to commit fraud.

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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MacMP
I run a credit union. Trust me, do not fill out the credit app unless you intend to finance the through the dealer. Work out the amount you owe the dealer before hand, and bring an official check from your credit union to pay. An official check is the equivalent of a certified check from a bank. Nearly impossible to commit fraud.
This 100%. Period.
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MacMP
I run a credit union. Trust me, do not fill out the credit app unless you intend to finance the through the dealer. Work out the amount you owe the dealer before hand, and bring an official check from your credit union to pay. An official check is the equivalent of a certified check from a bank. Nearly impossible to commit fraud.
What if you know FOR A FACT you don't even have any credit and let the dealer run your credit?
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 05:52 PM
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What if you know FOR A FACT you don't even have any credit and let the dealer run your credit?
First, they will find out you don’t have any credit.

Second, they may choose to trust you less

OR

Third, they may choose to grovel at your feet because you are wealthy.

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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MacMP
First, they will find out you don’t have any credit.

Second, they may choose to trust you less

OR

Third, they may choose to grovel at your feet because you are wealthy.

Ah ha! Interesting. Thank you for your reply
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 07:53 PM
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Bottomline. There is no reason to fill out a credit app if no MBFS financing is used. As stated in this thread, this is a hard check that will show up on the credit report for zero reason, wether it impacts the score (which is will as the credit union will do the same later = multiple inquiries plus the financing).

S-Class models are not desirable from an export standpoint so that aspect is not an issue here. Am sure most dealers would like to sell you several I assume the dealer simply wants to pitch a counter offer (once qualified) to grab the profit sharing money that comes with financing/leasing the car with MBFS.
My recommendation would be to walk away if they insist.
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And they will fold like a ton of bricks when you threaten to walk away
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 09:57 PM
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MacMP
I run a credit union. Trust me, do not fill out the credit app unless you intend to finance the through the dealer. Work out the amount you owe the dealer before hand, and bring an official check from your credit union to pay. An official check is the equivalent of a certified check from a bank. Nearly impossible to commit fraud.
I just have to correct you on the second part of your statement for those who may accept a verified/certified/official check from a bank. They can easily be fraudulent. We have seen numerous times they are stolen by staff, robbers, etc. Once in the wild they can be drafted any way the thief wishes. The best thing to do is call the bank that issued the check (using a phone number accessed online from the banks official site, NOT what is listed on the check). I watched a friend see off his 2 year old 750 with a fake cashiers check. His insurance covered it but he paid in the end.
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by emilner
I just have to correct you on the second part of your statement for those who may accept a verified/certified/official check from a bank. They can easily be fraudulent. We have seen numerous times they are stolen by staff, robbers, etc. Once in the wild they can be drafted any way the thief wishes. The best thing to do is call the bank that issued the check (using a phone number accessed online from the banks official site, NOT what is listed on the check). I watched a friend see off his 2 year old 750 with a fake cashiers check. His insurance covered it but he paid in the end.
I said “nearly impossible”.
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MacMP
I said “nearly impossible”.
Which is an incorrect assumption. No damn fool takes one without verifying it. If you don't feel that way, then I feel for ya...
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by emilner
Which is an incorrect assumption. No damn fool takes one without verifying it. If you don't feel that way, then I feel for ya...
Sir, I am not sure what you are on, so I will simply allow you some grace.

Nowhere in my statement did I say anything regarding the process a vendor uses to verify the legitimacy of a Official or Cashier check.

My credit union has strong direct relationships with every dealership in my market. They know how to handle these checks as well as we know how to handle the dealers needs. This isn’t referencing a private-party transaction in any manner. On those, I recommend the seller and buyer come into one of my branches to complete the transaction, together.

So please get off your high horse, or your drugs, or whatever it is and back off.
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MacMP
Sir, I am not sure what you are on, so I will simply allow you some grace.

Nowhere in my statement did I say anything regarding the process a vendor uses to verify the legitimacy of a Official or Cashier check.

My credit union has strong direct relationships with every dealership in my market. They know how to handle these checks as well as we know how to handle the dealers needs. This isn’t referencing a private-party transaction in any manner. On those, I recommend the seller and buyer come into one of my branches to complete the transaction, together.

So please get off your high horse, or your drugs, or whatever it is and back off.
?? Sorry guy but you came here and said official checks are almost impossible to fake which in my 25 years of banking experience is one damn dangerously false comment. No where else to go with this, this wasn't anything against you personally, just a factually incorrect thing you said. And I don't want anyone getting hurt by it...
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