Lots of S450s ?
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Lots of S450s ?
In an unscientific quick look at AutoTrader for 2018 - 2020 S-class cars for sale, I find 124 of the six-cylinder models and 69 V-8s.
Do you think this is reflective of sales trends and the installed base? I was surprised, seems most of us posting here have V-8 cars and further that buyers in this price range wouldn't give up power and acceleration for a few $000s price difference. Has Mercedes made compelling lease offers in recent years to promote the V-6 model? Is there a sales channel (fleets, company cars, or something) that is more attracted to the V-6 engines?
I would have thought the proportions were the other way around ...
Do you think this is reflective of sales trends and the installed base? I was surprised, seems most of us posting here have V-8 cars and further that buyers in this price range wouldn't give up power and acceleration for a few $000s price difference. Has Mercedes made compelling lease offers in recent years to promote the V-6 model? Is there a sales channel (fleets, company cars, or something) that is more attracted to the V-6 engines?
I would have thought the proportions were the other way around ...
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I found the 450 perfectly suitable in terms of power and this is after owning a fair share of V8's. I went in looking for an E450 and leveled up to the S since the difference wasn't that much. As for the Autotrader numbers being an almost 2 to 1, I have no idea.
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Ya, it's a great motor the 3.0 V6. I have that in my 2019 E450 Wagon, lots of power for a small engine and very smooth. Yes, they did lease a large amount of the S450's and I think what youre seeing now is them going on the market off lease.
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In an unscientific quick look at AutoTrader for 2018 - 2020 S-class cars for sale, I find 124 of the six-cylinder models and 69 V-8s.
Do you think this is reflective of sales trends and the installed base? I was surprised, seems most of us posting here have V-8 cars and further that buyers in this price range wouldn't give up power and acceleration for a few $000s price difference. Has Mercedes made compelling lease offers in recent years to promote the V-6 model? Is there a sales channel (fleets, company cars, or something) that is more attracted to the V-6 engines?
I would have thought the proportions were the other way around ...
Do you think this is reflective of sales trends and the installed base? I was surprised, seems most of us posting here have V-8 cars and further that buyers in this price range wouldn't give up power and acceleration for a few $000s price difference. Has Mercedes made compelling lease offers in recent years to promote the V-6 model? Is there a sales channel (fleets, company cars, or something) that is more attracted to the V-6 engines?
I would have thought the proportions were the other way around ...
I am pretty sure that the v8 outsold the v6, so with so many more V6's for sale, are the owners opting out of the V6 at a higher rate
or
is it a sales anomaly at this moment and time
or
they did sell more V6's? than V8's ( can someone confirm?)
2 to 1 is interesting for sure
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The livery companies up here moved to the S450 as soon as they could; my dealer sold tons of black on black minimally equipped S450 4matics that way.
I leased an '18 S450 as the lease was incredibly attractive compared to the S560, and I have a bias against leasing to begin with. I'm much happier with the S560, but any rational soul should adore their S450.
I leased an '18 S450 as the lease was incredibly attractive compared to the S560, and I have a bias against leasing to begin with. I'm much happier with the S560, but any rational soul should adore their S450.
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Lower acquisition price is nearly always associated with higher sales volume. This supports higher number of S450 listings.
Posters on car enthusiast sites are generally...enthusiasts. Enthusiasts generally go for more features and performance. Hence a high number of posts and threads about V8 W222.
Similar for C, E, GLC, GLE, etc. Entry level model and powertrain sells higher volume, nearly always.
Agree that the M276 3.0 biturbo in the S450 is a great engine.
Posters on car enthusiast sites are generally...enthusiasts. Enthusiasts generally go for more features and performance. Hence a high number of posts and threads about V8 W222.
Similar for C, E, GLC, GLE, etc. Entry level model and powertrain sells higher volume, nearly always.
Agree that the M276 3.0 biturbo in the S450 is a great engine.
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Lower acquisition price is nearly always associated with higher sales volume. This supports higher number of S450 listings.
Posters on car enthusiast sites are generally...enthusiasts. Enthusiasts generally go for more features and performance. Hence a high number of posts and threads about V8 W222.
Similar for C, E, GLC, GLE, etc. Entry level model and powertrain sells higher volume, nearly always.
Agree that the M276 3.0 biturbo in the S450 is a great engine.
Posters on car enthusiast sites are generally...enthusiasts. Enthusiasts generally go for more features and performance. Hence a high number of posts and threads about V8 W222.
Similar for C, E, GLC, GLE, etc. Entry level model and powertrain sells higher volume, nearly always.
Agree that the M276 3.0 biturbo in the S450 is a great engine.
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The leases on the 450s are/were a good bit better, an S560 can be around $300 more a month, so it stands to reason more of the people who lease would choose the S450. For people who buy the difference is about $10k, so they go for the 560.
Having driven both, the 450 has a great motor but the V8 just makes the car feel a lot more special to me personally.
Having driven both, the 450 has a great motor but the V8 just makes the car feel a lot more special to me personally.
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Lower acquisition price is nearly always associated with higher sales volume. This supports higher number of S450 listings.
Posters on car enthusiast sites are generally...enthusiasts. Enthusiasts generally go for more features and performance. Hence a high number of posts and threads about V8 W222.
Similar for C, E, GLC, GLE, etc. Entry level model and powertrain sells higher volume, nearly always.
Agree that the M276 3.0 biturbo in the S450 is a great engine.
Posters on car enthusiast sites are generally...enthusiasts. Enthusiasts generally go for more features and performance. Hence a high number of posts and threads about V8 W222.
Similar for C, E, GLC, GLE, etc. Entry level model and powertrain sells higher volume, nearly always.
Agree that the M276 3.0 biturbo in the S450 is a great engine.
It is actually the opposite. The lease numbers were made more attractive on the S450 from the get-go and that significantly (lower MF and higher residual) to increase S-Class sales against BMW, Audi and Lexus. This was a market share play (the annual game with BMW) and is unrelated to the model mix.
The S450's are less attractive as a used car as more heavily optioned S560's depreciate more (most options maintain little to no value on a used car) and get snapped up first.
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It is actually the opposite. The lease numbers were made more attractive on the S450 from the get-go and that significantly (lower MF and higher residual) to increase S-Class sales against BMW, Audi and Lexus. This was a market share play (the annual game with BMW) and is unrelated to the model mix.
The S450's are less attractive as a used car as more heavily optioned S560's depreciate more (most options maintain little to no value on a used car) and get snapped up first.
The S450's are less attractive as a used car as more heavily optioned S560's depreciate more (most options maintain little to no value on a used car) and get snapped up first.
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I guess the fact that W223 includes a six-cylinder model is proof enough of a place in the market for this version. I haven't driven an S450, but am part of the M276 fan club as I loved that engine in my C350. It's quite an engineering achievement to get enough torque from 3.0 liters to hustle a car as heavy as an S.
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I guess the fact that W223 includes a six-cylinder model is proof enough of a place in the market for this version. I haven't driven an S450, but am part of the M276 fan club as I loved that engine in my C350. It's quite an engineering achievement to get enough torque from 3.0 liters to hustle a car as heavy as an S.
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Didn't Wolfman mean that the 6-cylinder engines available in the W223 are all inline-6s (as opposed to V6s)?
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I interpreted his comment as saying that only 6 cylinders would be available in the W223. If he meant your interpretation, then he wasn't very clear about it.
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I have the marvelous V6 in my SL450 and my wife’s E450 Wagon. Truly magnificent motive power. I test drove an S450 once and was quite impressed with the way the car drove. That said, I find the additional power and torque of the V8 to be fitting for the big, stately sedan. I believe it is smoother and a tad more quiet than the V6. Highway speed passing acceleration is mind boggling.
