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The Navigator and GLS are really different vehicles. Navigator is body on frame, much bigger both inside and outside, but has a trucky charachter that comes from its design that isn't present in the GLS. Personally, unless I had to tow I would never buy a BOF SUV to drive around every day, I'd rather have something unibody like a Range Rover or a GLS/X7 etc. Much smaller than a Navigator though.
Example, a Navigator would not fit in my garage, a Range Rover, GLS, X7 etc will.
The Nav is far more stabile on the highway than my GLS was. I regularly take it up to 90+mph and its rock solid. And its very compliant and quiet at the same time. It's not like other frame based SUVs. I do have the extended version which helps.
The Nav is far more stabile on the highway than my GLS was. I regularly take it up to 90+mph and its rock solid. And its very compliant and quiet at the same time. It's not like other frame based SUVs. I do have the extended version which helps.
I can believe that for sure, but I said for driving around every day. No doubt its great on the highway but I wouldn't want to pilot one around as a daily, and it still wouldn't fit in my garage. The utility in our family is my wife's daily driver and its just too big and cumbersome a vehicle for that IMO to make it worth the tradeoffs for a great highway trip cruiser. A unibody 3 row like a GLS or X7 is going to feel great on the highway too.
New generation GLS is a big upgrade from the previous generation too.
I can believe that for sure, but I said for driving around every day. No doubt its great on the highway but I wouldn't want to pilot one around as a daily, and it still wouldn't fit in my garage. The utility in our family is my wife's daily driver and its just too big and cumbersome a vehicle for that IMO to make it worth the tradeoffs for a great highway trip cruiser.
New generation GLS is a big upgrade from the previous generation too.
Yeah, it fits in my garage but I built it with the intention of holding a large suburban like truck. We are so used to driving it you don't notice the size. When we went down to the GLS my wife's biggest complaint was it's too small. She likes driving the larger truck. To each their own...
Yeah, it fits in my garage but I built it with the intention of holding a large suburban like truck. We are so used to driving it you don't notice the size. When we went down to the GLS my wife's biggest complaint was it's too small. She likes driving the larger truck. To each their own...
Living in a suburban-urban setting I have a hard time believing that we would not notice the size of a 222 inch long Navigator L lol. If all we did was use it for long highway trips then sure, that would be a great choice for us, but no way my wife would want to drive it every day.
Living in a suburban-urban setting I have a hard time believing that we would not notice the size of a 222 inch long Navigator L lol. If all we did was use it for long highway trips then sure, that would be a great choice for us, but no way my wife would want to drive it every day.
The funny part is I find it easier to drive the Nav in Manhattan than my S. It's all about what you are used to. A person who drives a Prius would be overwhelmed by a GLS...
Navigator L is 15 inches longer than an S Class, thats not nothing. Regular Navigator is about 3 inches longer. Regular Navigator is about 3 inches longer. The issue for my garage is the height, 74 inches is the maximum vehicle height that will clear my garage door, Navigators are 76.3 inches tall. GLS is only 71.
Navigator L is 15 inches longer than an S Class, thats not nothing. Regular Navigator is about 3 inches longer. Regular Navigator is about 3 inches longer. The issue for my garage is the height, 74 inches is the maximum vehicle height that will clear my garage door, Navigators are 76.3 inches tall. GLS is only 71.
Looks around 13” but either way that’s really not perceptible in normal driving. The width on the other hand is quite different. As far as garages go I put in 9’ x 8’ garage doors for that reason. I can pull into the garage with a kayak on the roof and mirrors out.
Its certainly perceptible when you try and maneuver it in a tight parking lot or park it on the street
The navigator I got is regular length. All i needed is just a little more space than my S-class, and ability to fit 6 adults just in case we go for a family trip even in the city when going for a family dinner together, and slightly different driving experience (high on the road as I drive on highway on daily bases for ~25 min), which is exactly what I found on the regular length navigator. It's only 3.5" longer than W222 if concerned about parking or garage. It easier to use also during the weekend, as we go to nearby parks or beach and have to take with us a baby stroller, bags, etc... I am enjoying it as a personal daily drive car and family car at same time so far.
Yeah length of the regular one isn't that different. For my use the issue is height. All of your reasoning is why I always heavily consider going to an SUV every time I trade (and why so many other sedan owners have gone to SUVs), the increased utility and functionality. I always come back to a sedan though because the driving experience in an SUV is still largely not quite as good as it is in a flagship sedan, with the exception of the full Range Rover. Thats the only luxury SUV I've driven that I truly don't feel gives anything up in the driving experience vs a sedan like an S Class. If reliability weren't such an issue I really might have gotten one this time vs the S560.
Yeah length of the regular one isn't that different. For my use the issue is height. All of your reasoning is why I always heavily consider going to an SUV every time I trade (and why so many other sedan owners have gone to SUVs), the increased utility and functionality. I always come back to a sedan though because the driving experience in an SUV is still largely not quite as good as it is in a flagship sedan, with the exception of the full Range Rover. Thats the only luxury SUV I've driven that I truly don't feel gives anything up in the driving experience vs a sedan like an S Class. If reliability weren't such an issue I really might have gotten one this time vs the S560.
Yeah, i agree, full Range Rover drives great, however the very tight space in the interior and small legroom in 2nd row, and tiny 3rd row, is a no-no deal to me and big disappointment for what is needed in a real SUV.... however, it drives nice, but not ideal for a family.
Yeah, i agree, full Range Rover drives great, however the very tight space in the interior and small legroom in 2nd row, and tiny 3rd row, is a no-no deal to me and big disappointment for what is needed in a real SUV.... however, it drives nice, but not ideal for a family.
I wonder what European family's drive? They don't have SUV's like us.
Yeah, i agree, full Range Rover drives great, however the very tight space in the interior and small legroom in 2nd row, and tiny 3rd row, is a no-no deal to me and big disappointment for what is needed in a real SUV.... however, it drives nice, but not ideal for a family.
No third row in a Range Rover (the smaller RR Sport has a third row option) although coming from a sedan I don't need a third row. My vehicle will never be the family vehicle, but it would be nice to be able to take my much more awesome car on a family trip just the 4 of us which we can do in a Range Rover better than a sedan due to the larger cargo area. Two $100k+ cars is way more than I want to spend on cars, and I don't want to be the primary driver of the family car nor does it make sense for me to be, and I don't want to be the primary driver of the lesser car since I'm the one who is the car enthusiast.
Regular length RR does have surprisingly tight second row space compared to a sedan, but it comes in an L version which gives you that legroom in the back which makes it super comparable to an S Class.
LWB Range Rover:
Originally Posted by hyperion667
I wonder what European family's drive? They don't have SUV's like us.
They do have SUVs, but a lot of families drive estates (station wagons).
No third row in a Range Rover (the smaller RR Sport has a third row option) although coming from a sedan I don't need a third row. My vehicle will never be the family vehicle, but it would be nice to be able to take my much more awesome car on a family trip just the 4 of us which we can do in a Range Rover better than a sedan due to the larger cargo area. Two $100k+ cars is way more than I want to spend on cars, and I don't want to be the primary driver of the family car nor does it make sense for me to be, and I don't want to be the primary driver of the lesser car since I'm the one who is the car enthusiast.
Regular length RR does have surprisingly tight second row space compared to a sedan, but it comes in an L version which gives you that legroom in the back which makes it super comparable to an S Class.
LWB Range Rover:
They do have SUVs, but a lot of families drive estates (station wagons).
Not sure I'd consider a wagon an SUV.......but hey, that's just me.
Not sure I'd consider a wagon an SUV.......but hey, that's just me.
You misunderstand what I’m saying. They do sell SUVs in Europe. They sell Range Rivers obviously, they sell the MB SUVs, BMW SUVs, they have lots of other smaller crossovers.
BTW, have the New generation Yukon\Denali (similar to chevy and cadi) and their has been TONS of issues with Lifters (tried and true 6.2 engine), Leak in the sunroof, tech issues...I have had a few issues myself ..I kind of wished I went down the stinking Lincoln path myself...
Originally Posted by emilner
The Caddy forums are lit up with those issues and with their massive screen as well. It's odd since GM has been making that engine forever...
Very odd indeed! I've had my Denali brand new since 2016 and it hasn't given me a lick of trouble. It's a nice complement to my S63.
Actually the lifter problem affects 2015 and up vehicles using the L86 engine. It's been a while since I got into the issue since I haven't had issues personally. But the lifters failing has been a problem for a while and many (myself included) suspect the lifters fail due to the 4 cylinder mode changeover. I tuned this out of the vehicle to prevent the problem. Now why GM continued to use the engine in a new generation despite many public complaints about this particular issue is interesting but it is not isolated to 2021s.
OP sorry to derail your thread. Post pics of the Navi and congratulations on your new ride.
Actually the lifter problem affects 2015 and up vehicles using the L86 engine. It's been a while since I got into the issue since I haven't had issues personally. But the lifters failing has been a problem for a while and many (myself included) suspect the lifters fail due to the 4 cylinder mode changeover. I tuned this out of the vehicle to prevent the problem. Now why GM continued to use the engine in a new generation despite many public complaints about this particular issue is interesting but it is not isolated to 2021s.
OP sorry to derail your thread. Post pics of the Navi and congratulations on your new ride.
not sure of previous issues, Just know that my 2021 engine could potentially have the weak lifters being built early of this year..........Its the dogs being stranded part that makes me feel uncertain and the 3-4 weeks to fix. But hey ...any given day I guess that can happen with anything life related..just this just seems to be at the forefront when getting in with the pups, and when we go out to shows...Besides that I love the acceleration and smoothness of the transmission....
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