chassis

From reading posts on this site MB seems to take a black and white view as it relates to warranty. If the car is out of warranty, the customer can pound sand. I can't see how choice of financing (lease, buy) affects MB's position.

teksurv

While I'm not thrilled with current MB quality, if the car is leased it's under warranty. If it's under warranty, and all services required have been done, I can't see how MB would not repair something like this under said warranty. If for some reason they refused, I'd at that point retain an attorney and swear off the brand. Well in my case I've already done the latter.

chassis

Can you please clarify?

MB warranty is 4 years/50k miles, whichever comes first.

Let’s say a car is leased for 3 years. Let’s further say it is driven 25k miles per year. Many people drive this many miles or more per year.

The warranty would be expired after the second year with one year remaining in the lease. There are many scenarios where a lease can be in force and either mileage, age or both have exceeded warranty coverage.

Are you saying that a lease contract supersedes or preempts manufacturer warranty rules? Does it matter which leasing company is used?

teksurv

No, I was making my comment with miles not exceeding 50k in a three year term. Of course if exceeded (not sure I would lease then?) then my comment does not apply.

MBNUT1

I think we can all agree that this should not be happening on a properly serviced circa 2016 Mercedes (or any other car for that matter). When my dad bought his first one, 60 years ago, superior mechanical design and manufacturing quality were attributes that distinguished Mercedes from all other brands.

autoluke

Agreed ! I have many friends owning cars at half the price, who operate them without constant worry about system failures. Seems that the ideal owner is one who operates the car within warranty parameters, and is comfortable with constant visits to the dealer.

places

As I've stated before, what the hell happened to MB's 100K mile break-in period? Mostly overpriced, and overhyped vehicles leveraged by the brand's legacy. What will the legacy be in 20 years? Lease don't buy and stay under warranty?

MBNUT1

LOL. Yeah In the summer of '76 I was embarking on a cross country trip in my '59 220SE and a guy who had a nearby Mercedes shop who had just replaced my fan belt for me said, "This thing will run forever" which used to be the common sentiment regarding Mercedes.

MBNUT1

My wife's 2006 Mazda3 which she drove home a couple of miles without oil due to improper installation of the oil filter at the tire store is still running strong at 205K miles.

as.thompson

My '73 Ford Gran Torino with a 351 Cleveland motor lost oil when the cheap replacement oil drain plug, that I didn't know the oil change shop had put in, let loose while I was driving 65 on the highway. I didn't realize it until the warning light came on. After towing it and replacing the plug and oil I drove it for many years with no further issues and finally sold it also with 205,000 miles on it.

chassis

On the topic of longevity, it seems MB seeks to avoid this. It is extra cost for them to design, produce and sell a vehicle that survives beyond the warranty period. This is what is unfolding in front of us.

Follow along with "53" model owners with the new M256 inline six cylinder. A member on this site with an E53 at less than 100k miles reported potentially soft cams and collapsed valve lifter (dealer diagnosis). Maybe MB dusted off the drawings of the M156 cams and went into production with them - it would have been cheaper and faster than designing new cams. Stranger things can happen.

MB is ascending the throne of the King of Garbage.

places

MB has become nothing more than a marketing company over-leveraging their past, until the present becomes the past and sub-par quality is the norm for brand ****** who know no better.

superpop

I think you guys are being a bit dramatic here. I have had very good luck with MB products over the past several years. I am not sure any of the manufacturers are designing products to last 100K plus miles with little repair. My daughters 7 year old 70K Honda civic has had a few issues that you would not expect but I think that is just part of the luck of the draw.

autoluke

Fully agree with place and others.

Two of my kids drive Toyotas with high mileage...zero expenses in repairs.

The1stWright

What year was your w222?

The M278 been around for awhile i'm just curious. My mom is actually looking for one right now.

tbilisi79

I was gonna move on to 2015 ish w222 from my o8 s550 but boy am I glad I looked into this m278 engine. Looks like Money pit with potential catastrophic engine failure.
‘my friend just got a 15 GL550 with that motor me a month later developed a piston slap.
very sad and unacceptable for Mb to join BMW in making lease vehicles.