W222 Low Compression Cylinder #5 (scored walls)
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From reading posts on this site MB seems to take a black and white view as it relates to warranty. If the car is out of warranty, the customer can pound sand. I can't see how choice of financing (lease, buy) affects MB's position.
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While I'm not thrilled with current MB quality, if the car is leased it's under warranty. If it's under warranty, and all services required have been done, I can't see how MB would not repair something like this under said warranty. If for some reason they refused, I'd at that point retain an attorney and swear off the brand. Well in my case I've already done the latter.
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While I'm not thrilled with current MB quality, if the car is leased it's under warranty. If it's under warranty, and all services required have been done, I can't see how MB would not repair something like this under said warranty. If for some reason they refused, I'd at that point retain an attorney and swear off the brand. Well in my case I've already done the latter.
MB warranty is 4 years/50k miles, whichever comes first.
Let’s say a car is leased for 3 years. Let’s further say it is driven 25k miles per year. Many people drive this many miles or more per year.
The warranty would be expired after the second year with one year remaining in the lease. There are many scenarios where a lease can be in force and either mileage, age or both have exceeded warranty coverage.
Are you saying that a lease contract supersedes or preempts manufacturer warranty rules? Does it matter which leasing company is used?
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I think we can all agree that this should not be happening on a properly serviced circa 2016 Mercedes (or any other car for that matter). When my dad bought his first one, 60 years ago, superior mechanical design and manufacturing quality were attributes that distinguished Mercedes from all other brands.
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Agreed ! I have many friends owning cars at half the price, who operate them without constant worry about system failures. Seems that the ideal owner is one who operates the car within warranty parameters, and is comfortable with constant visits to the dealer.
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As I've stated before, what the hell happened to MB's 100K mile break-in period? Mostly overpriced, and overhyped vehicles leveraged by the brand's legacy. What will the legacy be in 20 years? Lease don't buy and stay under warranty?
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LOL. Yeah In the summer of '76 I was embarking on a cross country trip in my '59 220SE and a guy who had a nearby Mercedes shop who had just replaced my fan belt for me said, "This thing will run forever" which used to be the common sentiment regarding Mercedes.
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On the topic of longevity, it seems MB seeks to avoid this. It is extra cost for them to design, produce and sell a vehicle that survives beyond the warranty period. This is what is unfolding in front of us.
Follow along with "53" model owners with the new M256 inline six cylinder. A member on this site with an E53 at less than 100k miles reported potentially soft cams and collapsed valve lifter (dealer diagnosis). Maybe MB dusted off the drawings of the M156 cams and went into production with them - it would have been cheaper and faster than designing new cams. Stranger things can happen.
MB is ascending the throne of the King of Garbage.
Follow along with "53" model owners with the new M256 inline six cylinder. A member on this site with an E53 at less than 100k miles reported potentially soft cams and collapsed valve lifter (dealer diagnosis). Maybe MB dusted off the drawings of the M156 cams and went into production with them - it would have been cheaper and faster than designing new cams. Stranger things can happen.
MB is ascending the throne of the King of Garbage.
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No more MB:(
On the topic of longevity, it seems MB seeks to avoid this. It is extra cost for them to design, produce and sell a vehicle that survives beyond the warranty period. This is what is unfolding in front of us.
Follow along with "53" model owners with the new M256 inline six cylinder. A member on this site with an E53 at less than 100k miles reported potentially soft cams and collapsed valve lifter (dealer diagnosis). Maybe MB dusted off the drawings of the M156 cams and went into production with them - it would have been cheaper and faster than designing new cams. Stranger things can happen.
MB is ascending the throne of the King of Garbage.
Follow along with "53" model owners with the new M256 inline six cylinder. A member on this site with an E53 at less than 100k miles reported potentially soft cams and collapsed valve lifter (dealer diagnosis). Maybe MB dusted off the drawings of the M156 cams and went into production with them - it would have been cheaper and faster than designing new cams. Stranger things can happen.
MB is ascending the throne of the King of Garbage.
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I think you guys are being a bit dramatic here. I have had very good luck with MB products over the past several years. I am not sure any of the manufacturers are designing products to last 100K plus miles with little repair. My daughters 7 year old 70K Honda civic has had a few issues that you would not expect but I think that is just part of the luck of the draw.
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I was gonna move on to 2015 ish w222 from my o8 s550 but boy am I glad I looked into this m278 engine. Looks like Money pit with potential catastrophic engine failure.
‘my friend just got a 15 GL550 with that motor me a month later developed a piston slap.
very sad and unacceptable for Mb to join BMW in making lease vehicles.
‘my friend just got a 15 GL550 with that motor me a month later developed a piston slap.
very sad and unacceptable for Mb to join BMW in making lease vehicles.
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ok how do you know that the bulletin I saw posted here said engines after a certain number and mine is after the number. However it doesn’t make sense to me that it would be engines after a certain number rather than before a certain number
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So if your engine code is 288356, you were the 22,165th m278 engine made with the iron sleeves. The number you are referencing is the start number of the iron sleeved ones, not the affected range ones.
Rest easy Steve.
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From the service bulletin - "...conversion as from March 2015 or as from engine 2789xx 30 266191 for cast-iron cylinder barrels."
So if your engine code is 288356, you were the 22,165th m278 engine made with the iron sleeves. The number you are referencing is the start number of the iron sleeved ones, not the affected range ones.
Rest easy Steve.
So if your engine code is 288356, you were the 22,165th m278 engine made with the iron sleeves. The number you are referencing is the start number of the iron sleeved ones, not the affected range ones.
Rest easy Steve.
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I was thinking the same thing. Seems that that he's having this problem. Wonder if a spark plug broke or something and the tip damaged the cylinder wall. The only way to diagnose would be to review pics of the cylinder wall.
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. My 16 S550 is at 55k miles, it's due for spark plugs & ATF change, I'll definitely have the cylinders checked at the same time and perform an oil analysis to determine engine wear. Know of any decent independent MB service places in Cincy?
