kafklatsch

We just got slammed by BMW.... WWF off the top rope..

If you search on u tube for; 2023 BMW I7 amazing
you will find a review by some "doug" guy...

The new 7 series electric

BMW decided to NOT make the slipperyist? car in the world at the expense of looks
they went completely over the top with tech and yet have a true 7 physique

This is what i wanted so badly from MB !!!

aside from the 2 dollar add-tablet, which they did ever so slightly integrate, the I7 really has all signs of the best engineering that BMW has to offer. There is real imagination in this vehicle

It looks, in a word, amazing..... for an electric
And it has next level technological design and features ..

And this sucks, because i have been MB true and blue for ever
and i am currently stuck with the best benz ever IMHO, but the W222 is now old... still amazing... but old
Dont like the bland W223, and the EQS is just not appealing enough

That frigging I7 appears to be amazing (if they integrate the displays, i think id have to DO IT)... I can't believe I just said that...to think, id buy the beaver faced competition!!!... heaven forbid!!!

Sign,
stuck and in a bad mood

ps...wtf

SW20S

MB will have a traditional S Class EV in the next generation. I think the front end is hideous on the new i7, but I do like that its a traditional sedan.

IMO, the W223 is a much more appealing car than this new 7, unless you just must have an EV.

superswiss

I suppose that's why there is choice. If you can get over that front, then maybe the i7 is for you. While it might not matter in this segment, but an odd choice by BMW is that the i7 is slower than the V8 and more lethargic due to the additional weight. It's a nice example of what the extra weight of EVs does to the car's dynamics. The V8 drives much better than the i7, but fully electric makes total sense for a luxury barge.

SW20S

Its not going to feel more lethargic than the V8 because of the instant torque. Who has said the V8 drives better?

kafklatsch

Im really talking EVs

Im sure they werent thinking plaid.... just a fully loaded high tech EV but without the ribbon slipstream plain-ness

emilner

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superswiss

Watch the CarWow review. V8 sub 4 seconds 0-60, whereas the i7 is almost mid 4 seconds. Instant torque, yeah, but slower, and the extra weight of the i7 is felt around corners and while accelerating when driven back to back, hence more lethargic. It's a fatter and slower version.

SW20S

Who cares? 0-60 in 4.5 seconds is plenty fast for me. It’s what I have now. Of course it won’t handle as well as the lighter car but it will ride better because of the weight, and you have the perfectly smooth and silent EV powertrain.

If I were to get one of these, no doubt I would get the EV.

superswiss

I don't know who cares. I was just responding to your claim that it doesn't feel more lethargic, which is simply not true. The V8 is zippier and nimbler than the i7.

BenzV12

I recently watched a review of this new "Super uber ultimate driving machine hyper car" video . The driver said his view was obscured by the supersized display when it was folded down as well as the front passenger seat when it was folded down to increase the comfort the occupant of the right reat seat or BOSS .Well, at least I have not heard of any comments from any driver whose view was badly impaired by those comfortable accessories in a Mercedes-Benz

superswiss

Hehe...yeah there's that. They pointed that out in the CarWow review as well. With the screen down the driver has zero rear visibility. All they see is the back of the screen. I was expecting that BMW factored that in and fitted one of those rear view mirrors that switches to a rear facing camera when the screen is down. Seems like a major oversight. In fact I'm perplexed that this is even road legal, at least in Europe. By law you are not allowed to obstruct the rear window to the point where you can't see out. The cops pull you over if you pile up cargo and block the rear view. We seem to have jumped the shark with car design. First Tesla's yoke steering wheel which is absolutely dangerous in an emergency situation if you slip mid turn and trying to grab onto it again. Now BMW thinks it's a good idea to put a cinema screen in a car that blocks the rear view.

SilberGrau57

Who's talking about the next gen S-Class? Who says they're going back to a traditional design? The 223 is bland compared to the 222, and the EQS is even softer. They're also very young into their life-cycles. Haven't even had the mid-cycle refresh yet! I think you're spinning wishful thinking, at the very least.

SW20S

In normal driving, the EV is going to feel zippier for sure. Have you driven an EV?

Mercedes has said so. They said that the next gen S Class there will be no EQS and S Class, there will be one EV model that blends the sensibilities of the two. As for the 223 being bland compared to the 222, I think the 223 looks great, and compared to this I will take bland.

My point was, Mercedes WILL have a more traditionally styled EV S class at some point. Just like hybrids, once the early adopters are clear the masses want a more traditional look.

kafklatsch

New york idiots are rare... but here we have one.... kiss my houston a**

superswiss

Yes, I have, and I also understand how physics works. You can't discuss away almost 1000 lbs more for the i7 that you have to move in any kinda of driving, as much as you think instant torque is a panacea, unless you compensate for that extra weight with additional power, which the i7 doesn't. Both the V8 and i7 have the same power rating, and the V8 actually makes slightly more torque and the i7 doesn't make the full power unless you press the paddle on the steering wheel to engage Boost. The V8 always makes the full power.

SW20S

100% torque at the very start of the throttle, I just don't see how the V8 can feel zippier anywhere but up at speed. In driving around town and normal driving, that won't be the case. Lets put it this way, a Tesla Model 3 feels faster than my S560 around town.

superswiss

Tesla Model 3 curb weight: ~3700lbs
S560 curb weight: ~4700lbs

Weight kills speed and performance.

SW20S

Weight kills speed and performance, but there is a difference in power application in an EV vs an ICE, you will not feel like the i7 sluggish I promise you.

And the Model 3 Dual Motor weighs ~ 4,100 lbs, and 0-60 times are very similar to the S560. But the power feels different, it feels much faster from a stop even though its not.

E55Greasemonkey

It looks like a Lincoln to me. Meh.

SW20S

I could see that...

emilner

NYC is full of idiots, luckily I don't live there. But by all means take another hit from the pipe...

kafklatsch

Greasemonkey, which looks better... EQS or I7 EV?

SilberGrau57

I guess the fact that M-B is already talking about the follow-on S-Class/EV means they are taking heat for their current 223/EQS split design approach. Or maybe just that the economics of having two different platforms can't be sustained in the future. Plus, the fact that they are merging the next car(s) into a single design doesn't necessarily mean they will return to a "traditional" S-Class design.

SW20S

It means it will be more traditional than the EQS. It will take philosophy from both cars. Mercedes is not going to have something that looks like the EQS as the flagship, that new car will have traditional MB design cues since the S Class is such a legacy model.

Mitch Alsup

What an ugly car--it looks like 2 ****** with mouths wide open at the front and a Toyota Camry from the side.