OK, if you say so.

 

The shifting in the first 2020 S560 was the worst. When I would be decelerating, coming towards a stop, when going from 3rd to 2nd, the car would jerk so much, that it was very unpleasant, especially for my wife. She thought I was jamming on the brakes, but it was all the transmission. This second S560 was not as bad as the first one, but it wasn't right nonetheless. The S580 was just plain sloppy, but only at low speeds--and, by the way--I never complained about the transmission to the dealer, as it was so far down on the list of issues with that car, I never really thought about it. The transmissions in both our 2019 E450 Wagon and 2019 SL450 work flawlessly. Should I not expect the same from an S Class???

Lastly, I would like to point out that harsh shifting transmissions are complained about in several forums on this site by many other members. If they can live with theirs, I'm happy for them. I did not want to live with mine.

 

It's not luck, it's California. Might be why the state slogan is EUREKA!

 

For sure, I sincerely hope this is THE car for him after all that ordeal.

He did have a thread on the comparison although it is on the W223 forum https://mbworld.org/forums/s-class-w...7-andoo-7.html

 

I see, thanks for confirming, guess we can't have everything after all : ( I mean yes the sunshine and lemon law is the best part for sure.

 

Ya it is a shame, Lexus focused more of a younger image and those smiley grilles instead of the quality they used to. I mean to be fair MB was like the same with younger aim with the A Class I think they even brag about customers are 20 years younger?

 

That's crazy that you had 3 cars bought back by MB. At least they made it right in that respect. I can't imagine that all 2020 S560s have this harsh shifting or they would be having major losses. I would love to hear what MB is saying internally about this situation. Hope you enjoy the I7 and you don't have issues down the line with it as well. At the cost of these cars, you should expect perfection.

 

Well, Noah experienced 40 days and nights of rain, Moses spent 40 days and nights on Mt. Sinai when he received the Ten Commandments (absent Charlton Heston) and Jesus fasted in the desert for 40 days snd nights. So Streamliner is in good company.

 

Thanks. Both of my 2020 S560’s were very late production cars. I believe that had something to do with it. Of the 17 new & 4 used MB’s I’ve had, I never had any significant issues until I got the first 2020 S560.

 

You've obviously led a charmed life.

 

Mercedes bought back two brand new 2014 E550s from me in 2014 for the same issue, poor shifting.

it completely took away from the enjoyment of a brand new Mercedes and how it should perform. Fortunately the 2014 e63S they sold me next was smooth shifting to this day. I believe it's hit or miss with Benz transmission shifting:

- they either shift smoothly or they don't
- they mostly shift smoothly or they mostly don't
- the driver either cares or they don't
- there's a myriad of brand critics and apologists on these forums that do or don't wanna hear about it or acknowledge it - it's all good it's the internet you can say what you want
- and any combination therein

 

I guess they are banking on everyone will just move to their EQ lineup without a tradition MB 7G TRONIC or 9G TRONIC, that way, they don't have to spend money fixing the transmission shift issues.

 

Im not at all saying the issue doesn’t exist, I said other people have reported the same thing. I just said I have a hard time imagining it could be so bad that it would keep one from enjoying the car given my own experience and there not be any way to repair it.

As I said before nothing is perfect. Expecting perfection is just asking to be disappointed.

Apparently!

 

My first W222 had a downshifting issue that truly prevented me from enjoying the car (my passenger would sometimes think we were hit from behind!). It was that bad when it happened, but it was rare. However, it was definitely fixable. Once fixed, did it shift like a BMW? No. Was it acceptable to live with? Of course, I also bought two other high-end Mercedes-Benzes since then, and for both, I knew they came with the same terrible Mbenz transmission. But the cars were great enough for me to enjoy. I liked my second W222 (it didn’t have the best shifting behavior, but it was just like any other W222, and I never thought I want to sell the car or hire an attorney for that reason or to fight it with benz). My current GLS also doesn’t shift like my X5 or X7, but it still shifts better than any other MBenz I’ve had since it has the inline-6 engine (but again, not like my other BMWs but I can live with it and I like it).

My guess is that Streamliner’s recent W222 was shifting just like my last W222 (in a way that it doesn’t shift well, but it’s just like any other Mbenz with the typical terrible Mbenz transmission that we all have). By the way, the EQS and EQE don’t even have the best regenerative braking experience (at least from my personal experience). For any experienced EV driver, the EQS regenerative braking is just as bad as their ICE transmissions, but in a different way.

Back to the buyback… man, California law is just too biased that most other buyers in other states are paying for the extra cost that Mercedes-Benz incurred from the massive buyouts in California, which they would pass on to us in some way or another. For MeMBUSA to buy a pre-owned W222 only because a downshifting issue was reported (granted they took 40 days) is just insane.

 

Good point. My wife never felt the typical mbenz downshifting in our 2nd W222… She never mentioned anything now about her GLS and how it shifts versus the buttery smooth X5/X7. The downshift (when it’s not extremely bad) in most Mbenz cars is subtle and not that apparent for owner to be embarrassed when driving others around, but it’s surely noticeable for some, and should have been noticeable to their engineers. I truly think they just don’t know the answer or assumed it to be lower priority over emissions controls/thresholds or something.