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Looking for a 2019-2020
mb w222
I was wondering if the Burmeister sound system is standard because I see it on the speaker cover of the door panels.
Also, is there two types of systems like 3-D or 4 D? I’m not sure but I know it doesn’t have the rotating speaker tweeters.
please let me know what else I should look for
looking for silver or white
Porcelain interior
Has the extra wood on the back of the seats
Extra stitching
What else is good to have..
is 360 camera seat massage and thigh support standard?
The car I’m looking at has the extra piece of wood on the cupholders in the rear and also digital AC rear
thanks for any information. I appreciate it so much. Start looking at this car under a week so I’m still learning.
Last edited by Lexuslover; Sep 22, 2025 at 04:06 AM.
Also can I get four wheel 19 inch
all around the car non staggered.
(gonna replace the 20 since most comes with it)
cause I live in the worst roads in the country
Is the trunk spoiler use tape or is it drilled cause would like to remove that also .
Yes, two Burmeister-branded sound systems, standard or "High-End" option. Nearly all US cars have the so-called "Premium package" that includes seat message, heating and cooling and "Driver Assistance"..
For 19s and 20s, standard interior is called "Nappa leather". The first upgrade with the diamond quilted effect is called "Exclusive Nappa". This almost always comes with the "Additional Trim Elements" meaning the wood trims on doors, seat backs, etc.
I use a square wheel/tire set up - 19 x 8.5" wheels all around with 15 mm spacers in the rear for appearance only. This set up gives a great ride and handling combination and I can rotate the tires so they last longer.
Last edited by Tom in Austin; Sep 22, 2025 at 10:52 AM.
2019 AMG S 65 and too many other vehicles to list here in this small box
The Burmester 4D was not available until the W223 models. I have not experienced it yet but my understanding is that it is the same sound and speakers as the 3D system but with the addition of seat vibrators to enhance the bass feelings and thus giving a 4th Dimension with physical vibrations.
The 360 camera is invaluable when navigating these large cars in tight spaces. I would definitely look for that option.
HUD is very nice and useful. Once you have it, you miss it if you're driving something without that option.
I would also recommend looking for one with Night Vision option. Not a deal breaker but I will say I never thought I would use it or need it but I must say it is a fantastic safety feature that automatically pops up and alerts me of pedestrians that I did not see. Amazing tech I could go on about with examples of how it is integrated in the headlight system if interested.
Trunk spoiler is just tped on with 3M double sided tape, no screw holes.
3D option comes with rotating tweeters, extra speakers in the headliner and lower door panels, and a sub in the trunk. I have it and it sounds great, but definitely not a must-have feature.
Tire wheel combos are interchangeable. I wouldn't let that be a deciding factor since you can swap out a full wheel and tire set for under $2K easily.
All the other options you mentioned are nice and you will enjoy them.
The Burmester 4D was not available until the W223 models. I have not experienced it yet but my understanding is that it is the same sound and speakers as the 3D system but with the addition of seat vibrators to enhance the bass feelings and thus giving a 4th Dimension with physical vibrations.
The 360 camera is invaluable when navigating these large cars in tight spaces. I would definitely look for that option.
HUD is very nice and useful. Once you have it, you miss it if you're driving something without that option.
I would also recommend looking for one with Night Vision option. Not a deal breaker but I will say I never thought I would use it or need it but I must say it is a fantastic safety feature that automatically pops up and alerts me of pedestrians that I did not see. Amazing tech I could go on about with examples of how it is integrated in the headlight system if interested.
night vision is super hard to get.!!
so 360 is an option (darnnit)
that is a super must
any special name for it
HuD I have in and it barely notice it anymore
is this some what the upgrade Burmeister system is
You’re talking about on the W223 4D Rotation speakers side by side with the mirror Speakers on top
Yes, two Burmeister-branded sound systems, standard or "High-End" option. Nearly all US cars have the so-called "Premium package" that includes seat message, heating and cooling and "Driver Assistance"..
For 19s and 20s, standard interior is called "Nappa leather". The first upgrade with the diamond quilted effect is called "Exclusive Nappa". This almost always comes with the "Additional Trim Elements" meaning the wood trims on doors, seat backs, etc.
I use a square wheel/tire set up - 19 x 8.5" wheels all around with 15 mm spacers in the rear for appearance only. This set up gives a great ride and handling combination and I can rotate the tires so they last longer.
thank you so much. I appreciate the Tire information set up so I can get 19 x 8 1/2 all around. Would it bother if I have the AMG package I heard it comes with different brakes and I’m not sure.
Super glad I don’t have to do staggered set up on this car
Trunk spoiler is just tped on with 3M double sided tape, no screw holes.
3D option comes with rotating tweeters, extra speakers in the headliner and lower door panels, and a sub in the trunk. I have it and it sounds great, but definitely not a must-have feature.
Tire wheel combos are interchangeable. I wouldn't let that be a deciding factor since you can swap out a full wheel and tire set for under $2K easily.
All the other options you mentioned are nice and you will enjoy them.
I really appreciate the link thank you so much so you saying the upgraded for sound system isn’t really worth it I don’t mind I could live without it I guess
Also, thank you about the Spoiler.
since this is 5-6 years old car should I worry about any wear and tear on the rubber housings inside throughout the car like mounts seals, etc. any know problems on this car.
( bad experience on BReak My Wallet)
i wanted the 6 cylinder but those are always not options right to my liking ..
great info on the tire wheel setup..!
I love the car even though I was only looking at it within a week also don’t want the hassle of getting it being in a shop all the time yes I’m spoiled own a Lexus but the Lexus is so boring after 3 years when I got it brand new ..!
I did everything to the Lexus ES you can possibly do but it’s really a boring car besides the tank that it is..!!
many thanks Love her but she boring !!
every bit of information is appreciated
2019 AMG S 65 and too many other vehicles to list here in this small box
Originally Posted by Lexuslover
night vision is super hard to get.!!
so 360 is an option (darnnit)
that is a super must
any special name for it
HuD I have in and it barely notice it anymore
is this some what the upgrade Burmeister system is
You’re talking about on the W223 4D Rotation speakers side by side with the mirror Speakers on top
The 360 camera system is called the "Surround View System". I believe it is included with the "Active Parking Assist" option.
The pictures of the speakers you show are the same for the 3D Hi-End and 4D system.
My understanding of the option level for the Burmester sound system offered in the W222 and W223:
Burmester 3D (Entry Level Basic System):
3-Dimensional Surround Sound with 16 speakers and a 760 Watt amplifier.
Burmester 3D Hi-End (Upgrade Optional System):
3-Dimensional Surround Sound with 27 speakers and 1540 Watt amplifier.
Burmester 4D Hi-End (Upgrade Optional System):
3-Dimensional Surround Sound with 31 speakers and 1750 Watt amplifier.
Multiple vibratory motors (called exciters) added to the seats to generate vibrations in sync with the music to give the 4th dimension.
The 360 camera system is called the "Surround View System". I believe it is included with the "Active Parking Assist" option.
The pictures of the speakers you show are the same for the 3D Hi-End and 4D system.
My understanding of the option level for the Burmester sound system offered in the W222 and W223:
Burmester 3D (Entry Level Basic System):
3-Dimensional Surround Sound with 16 speakers and a 760 Watt amplifier.
Burmester 3D Hi-End (Upgrade Optional System):
3-Dimensional Surround Sound with 27 speakers and 1540 Watt amplifier.
Burmester 4D Hi-End (Upgrade Optional System):
3-Dimensional Surround Sound with 31 speakers and 1750 Watt amplifier.
Multiple vibratory motors (called exciters) added to the seats to generate vibrations in sync with the music to give the 4th dimension.
You're close, the only place you're wrong is where you you call the Base Hi-End system 3D. It goes Hi End - where you don't get the rotating tweeters, then 3D Hi End which includes rotating tweeters. And theres more than a 4 speaker difference. The 2014-2017 adds 8 speakers plus a subwoofer, and the 2018-2020 adds 10 speakers plus a subwoofer.
You're correct about the 4D system in th W223, the seat shakers are the difference. But, they might have upgraded the speaker components too so there might be a real difference. I didn't notice anything better in the W223 I had as a loaner a couple years back.
Editorial note on seat shakers: I hate the idea of "bass shakers" in any audio setting; car, home, theater, etc. I know movie theaters use them too, but not my taste. The thing about it is that it's basically a speaker motor without the cone, so it's a really simple piece of hardware. But if you go so far as to include a speaker motor, you might as well go all the way. A buddy of mine has home theater seating with bass shakers. I decided to add a couple home theater 15' subs to provide even more "shake" than his seats, and increase the SPL all at the same time. Bass shakers are just a way of cheating the body in my opinion. Again, this is my opinion/rant/editorial.
2019 AMG S 65 and too many other vehicles to list here in this small box
Originally Posted by carlosinseattle
You're close, the only place you're wrong is where you you call the Base Hi-End system 3D. It goes Hi End - where you don't get the rotating tweeters, then 3D Hi End which includes rotating tweeters. And theres more than a 4 speaker difference. The 2014-2017 adds 8 speakers plus a subwoofer, and the 2018-2020 adds 10 speakers plus a subwoofer.
You're correct about the 4D system in th W223, the seat shakers are the difference. But, they might have upgraded the speaker components too so there might be a real difference. I didn't notice anything better in the W223 I had as a loaner a couple years back.
Editorial note on seat shakers: I hate the idea of "bass shakers" in any audio setting; car, home, theater, etc. I know movie theaters use them too, but not my taste. The thing about it is that it's basically a speaker motor without the cone, so it's a really simple piece of hardware. But if you go so far as to include a speaker motor, you might as well go all the way. A buddy of mine has home theater seating with bass shakers. I decided to add a couple home theater 15' subs to provide even more "shake" than his seats, and increase the SPL all at the same time. Bass shakers are just a way of cheating the body in my opinion. Again, this is my opinion/rant/editorial.
This time I will have to disagree Carlos. Maybe I'm wrong but my research on the W222 indicates the base Burmester system is NOT identified as "High-End". There is a completely different head-end unit for each of the systems. The base system is simply called Burmester 3D Surround System (without spin tweeters) but the upgrade optional system is called Burmester High-end 3D Surround Sound System (with the spin tweeters). The COMAND controller is required to be matched with the appropriate system ordered and the controller is identified if it is the "High-End" type. I believe this is the same systems available on the W223 with the addition of the optional 4D system which adds the seat vibratory motors.
The 4 speaker difference I show as between the 3D High-End and the 4D system on the W223
Yes, I do agree with you on the seat shakers, they don't really do anything for me either and would rather not have that included in an already very complex seating assembly.
This time I will have to disagree Carlos. Maybe I'm wrong but my research on the W222 indicates the base Burmester system is NOT identified as "High-End". There is a completely different head-end unit for each of the systems. The base system is simply called Burmester 3D Surround System (without spin tweeters) but the upgrade optional system is called Burmester High-end 3D Surround Sound System (with the spin tweeters). The COMAND controller is required to be matched with the appropriate system ordered and the controller is identified if it is the "High-End" type. I believe this is the same systems available on the W223 with the addition of the optional 4D system which adds the seat vibratory motors.
The 4 speaker difference I show as between the 3D High-End and the 4D system on the W223
Yes, I do agree with you on the seat shakers, they don't really do anything for me either and would rather not have that included in an already very complex seating assembly.
You're right about the Hi-End thing. Non 3D are not called High End or 3D. But I am right about the 3D becauyse it specifically refers to the speakers in the headliner. I think the confusion lies in that the non North American cars come with a lesser system altogether. If I'm not mnistaken, it's not even Burmester, but all NA cars come with the Burmester system. Again, 3D is for havign speakers in different planes, meaning height speakers.
Main thing to the OP; go out and drive what you can find. All these specs are meaningless without experiental context. The only way to know if something is relevant to you is to try it out, regardless of the specs. If none are available in your town, go to the next big city and drive a few there, or at least sit in them and play with the buttons and switches to see what you enjoy using. Case in point; I like the seat massagers and side bolsters that hug you in the corners but my wife feels the exact opposite, she hates the seat massagers and doesnt liek the "hug you" bolsters.
I have never seen a non-Burmeister system. When I was looking in at 2016-17 models, you either got Burmeister or Burmester 3D, I never saw any that were not branded without Burmeister..the 3D was tough to find and I ended up giving that up for the AMG package in the trade-offs for a CPO car
I have never seen a non-Burmeister system. When I was looking in at 2016-17 models, you either got Burmeister or Burmester 3D, I never saw any that were not branded without Burmeister..the 3D was tough to find and I ended up giving that up for the AMG package in the trade-offs for a CPO car
Right, North American models came with Burmester, but Euro cars didn't have Burmerster as standard equipment. I have no idea about Asian other regions. You'll see in this video what non Burmster speaker grills look like:
You're right about the Hi-End thing. Non 3D are not called High End or 3D. But I am right about the 3D becauyse it specifically refers to the speakers in the headliner. I think the confusion lies in that the non North American cars come with a lesser system altogether. If I'm not mnistaken, it's not even Burmester, but all NA cars come with the Burmester system. Again, 3D is for havign speakers in different planes, meaning height speakers.
Main thing to the OP; go out and drive what you can find. All these specs are meaningless without experiental context. The only way to know if something is relevant to you is to try it out, regardless of the specs. If none are available in your town, go to the next big city and drive a few there, or at least sit in them and play with the buttons and switches to see what you enjoy using. Case in point; I like the seat massagers and side bolsters that hug you in the corners but my wife feels the exact opposite, she hates the seat massagers and doesnt liek the "hug you" bolsters.
my pops had it when it first came out 2017 .we never buy first years models
so I drove that car quite a while so I know everything about the car. The only thing is the option that I want is making it hard especially the interior color.
low miles
ext color white or silver .
360 camera
I searched nationwide .!!!
my wife has the 2023 s580
mans I hate it especially the door handles This is scary cause I drive a lot in and out the car daily
The inside is nice thou .! It’s a white exterior.
Last edited by Lexuslover; Sep 24, 2025 at 03:05 AM.
I found one gonna called the dealer and see what happens
any way I can see the option Thur the vin
try it on mb and they only do 2023
I google vin lookup and it’s not showing the info and I did it with a few different vin
Searching for cars sucks.!!!!!!
Last edited by Lexuslover; Sep 24, 2025 at 03:33 AM.
I have never seen a non-Burmeister system. When I was looking in at 2016-17 models, you either got Burmeister or Burmester 3D, I never saw any that were not branded without Burmeister..the 3D was tough to find and I ended up giving that up for the AMG package in the trade-offs for a CPO car
amg was the upgraded system??
did you notice the difference from the from the sound or you never got the 2016 2017 model
I would get the most loaded up car you can get. At 5-6 years old there is not much difference in price as it is more about mileage and condition at that point. Your search options open up a lot if you can travel to go pick the car up nationwide. As far as cost of ownership, this is not a Lexus, either get a warranty or prepare for a sudden and unpredictable expensive repair at some point. I have had 3 S Classes, a 2013 S550 4Matic, 2015 S550 4Matic and now a 2019 S63 and the first two were very reliable, none have left me on the side of the road, but the S63 has been very expensive, thankfully it has been under warranty. On the flipside, an S Class is anything but boring, Lexus is not even in the same class really, and I would agree with your assessment that they are pretty boring cars, I have had one in the past and they are great cars, just not very exciting to drive.
The "high end" sound in the W222 isn't amazing, and I'm also a big believer in the car not being a good place for music anyway. High noise floor, need to pay attention to the road, distractions, etc.
Biggest benefit is those tweeters are nice to look at. Otherwise, forget that option and put it towards a nice home system. I love ATC speakers personally. Mind blowing levels of detail.
I would get the most loaded up car you can get. At 5-6 years old there is not much difference in price as it is more about mileage and condition at that point. Your search options open up a lot if you can travel to go pick the car up nationwide. As far as cost of ownership, this is not a Lexus, either get a warranty or prepare for a sudden and unpredictable expensive repair at some point. I have had 3 S Classes, a 2013 S550 4Matic, 2015 S550 4Matic and now a 2019 S63 and the first two were very reliable, none have left me on the side of the road, but the S63 has been very expensive, thankfully it has been under warranty. On the flipside, an S Class is anything but boring, Lexus is not even in the same class really, and I would agree with your assessment that they are pretty boring cars, I have had one in the past and they are great cars, just not very exciting to drive.
My search is nationwide
If I was looking for blk on blk I’ve would found it in a second .
damn options..!
s63 wow I’m afraid of the brakes alone..!
The AMG package has nothing to do with the sound system; it is side rockers, different rear and front bumper treatment and drilled pedals. Not sure if my front brake calipers are part of that, they are blue but my car is a S500e plug-in hybrid
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