Dealerships at MSRP vs. Shameful Upchargers
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There is more to it than just MSRP unless you pay cash. They can add points to the interest rate on financing, or they can add to the money factor on a lease. On the E63S that I've ordered, then later canceled due to delays, they told me I got $5k off but after they have increased the MF over the standard MB MF, it ended up being a wash. I got MSRP in the end. When I pointed this out to them, I was told take it or leave it. Just FYI.
Having said that. I am on the opinion that this is still a free market. Now that they are selling less vehicles, I don't blame them for tryin to make up elsewhere. Again, my opinion. I am waiting for things to chill a bit, and also waiting for more options to come available. It seams to me the S580 in the USA is a bare bone car at the moment. I mean the freaking AMG package does not have the AMG steering wheel. I also don't see the option for the amazing 3D HUD. Both must have in my mind.
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Ohh and since this is a thread specific to mentioning dealerships. Add:
Mercedes Benz of Coconut Creek (Autonation) for hiking both MSRP and MF or interest rate. I have never once had a good experience with any Autonation MB location (they have like 3 around here near Ft Lauderdale). Three times I walked in to get a Benz. Once a S430 many years ago. Once an SL550. This last time an E63S (since the S580 was not out). Not once was I able to drive out with a new car. I will try Palm Beach next or go out of state with a broker.
Having said that. I am on the opinion that this is still a free market. Now that they are selling less vehicles, I don't blame them for tryin to make up elsewhere. Again, my opinion. I am waiting for things to chill a bit, and also waiting for more options to come available. It seams to me the S580 in the USA is a bare bone car at the moment. I mean the freaking AMG package does not have the AMG steering wheel. I also don't see the option for the amazing 3D HUD. Both must have in my mind.
Edit:
Ohh and since this is a thread specific to mentioning dealerships. Add:
Mercedes Benz of Coconut Creek (Autonation) for hiking both MSRP and MF or interest rate. I have never once had a good experience with any Autonation MB location (they have like 3 around here near Ft Lauderdale). Three times I walked in to get a Benz. Once a S430 many years ago. Once an SL550. This last time an E63S (since the S580 was not out). Not once was I able to drive out with a new car. I will try Palm Beach next or go out of state with a broker.
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There is more to it than just MSRP unless you pay cash. They can add points to the interest rate on financing, or they can add to the money factor on a lease. On the E63S that I've ordered, then later canceled due to delays, they told me I got $5k off but after they have increased the MF over the standard MB MF, it ended up being a wash. I got MSRP in the end. When I pointed this out to them, I was told take it or leave it. Just FYI.
Having said that. I am on the opinion that this is still a free market. Now that they are selling less vehicles, I don't blame them for tryin to make up elsewhere. Again, my opinion. I am waiting for things to chill a bit, and also waiting for more options to come available. It seams to me the S580 in the USA is a bare bone car at the moment. I mean the freaking AMG package does not have the AMG steering wheel. I also don't see the option for the amazing 3D HUD. Both must have in my mind.
Edit:
Ohh and since this is a thread specific to mentioning dealerships. Add:
Mercedes Benz of Coconut Creek (Autonation) for hiking both MSRP and MF or interest rate. I have never once had a good experience with any Autonation MB location (they have like 3 around here near Ft Lauderdale). Three times I walked in to get a Benz. Once a S430 many years ago. Once an SL550. This last time an E63S (since the S580 was not out). Not once was I able to drive out with a new car. I will try Palm Beach next or go out of state with a broker.
Having said that. I am on the opinion that this is still a free market. Now that they are selling less vehicles, I don't blame them for tryin to make up elsewhere. Again, my opinion. I am waiting for things to chill a bit, and also waiting for more options to come available. It seams to me the S580 in the USA is a bare bone car at the moment. I mean the freaking AMG package does not have the AMG steering wheel. I also don't see the option for the amazing 3D HUD. Both must have in my mind.
Edit:
Ohh and since this is a thread specific to mentioning dealerships. Add:
Mercedes Benz of Coconut Creek (Autonation) for hiking both MSRP and MF or interest rate. I have never once had a good experience with any Autonation MB location (they have like 3 around here near Ft Lauderdale). Three times I walked in to get a Benz. Once a S430 many years ago. Once an SL550. This last time an E63S (since the S580 was not out). Not once was I able to drive out with a new car. I will try Palm Beach next or go out of state with a broker.
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just tell them you'll pay cash instead of the marked up mf and they'll bring it down some. more often than not, you still have to push for the best mf. very annoying. This is just the finance department ordeal, nothing to do with sales. Depending on the cars, sometime I also let them know to lower the MF since I'll be buying warranty package/wheel and tire, maintenance etc.
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I just special ordered my 2022 S580. 10% discount from MSRP and promised buy rate on a lease in December when car arrives.
You have to be crazy to pay sticker or higher. The residuals aren't changing. The car will still be worth 25% less than MSRP the second you drive off the lot.
You have to be crazy to pay sticker or higher. The residuals aren't changing. The car will still be worth 25% less than MSRP the second you drive off the lot.
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I just special ordered my 2022 S580. 10% discount from MSRP and promised buy rate on a lease in December when car arrives.
You have to be crazy to pay sticker or higher. The residuals aren't changing. The car will still be worth 25% less than MSRP the second you drive off the lot.
You have to be crazy to pay sticker or higher. The residuals aren't changing. The car will still be worth 25% less than MSRP the second you drive off the lot.
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I just special ordered my 2022 S580. 10% discount from MSRP and promised buy rate on a lease in December when car arrives.
You have to be crazy to pay sticker or higher. The residuals aren't changing. The car will still be worth 25% less than MSRP the second you drive off the lot.
You have to be crazy to pay sticker or higher. The residuals aren't changing. The car will still be worth 25% less than MSRP the second you drive off the lot.
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This might not be true anymore in this strange market we're in. I bought a 2018 GLE 43 CPO 2 months ago. The blue book valve is now about 1000$ more then it was when I bought it. A friend's ford pickup is worth more used then he paid new for it over a year ago. It is a very strange used marked. But the 30k upcharge is way over the top...
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This might not be true anymore in this strange market we're in. I bought a 2018 GLE 43 CPO 2 months ago. The blue book valve is now about 1000$ more then it was when I bought it. A friend's ford pickup is worth more used then he paid new for it over a year ago. It is a very strange used marked. But the 30k upcharge is way over the top...
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I agree, but the used market is getting crazy due to the lack of new cars available. The dealers are seeing that and trying to take advantage of it in their new car sale margins. I would never pay a premium over MSRP, that's one of the reasons I went CPO...
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I might need to ask my guy if he would do this for everyone. This is my 3rd car I have bought from him in 4.5 years. I am sure he could get sticker too like everyone else. I have referred friends to him, but random internet people that I don’t know? Not sure what the protocol is here. If you guys have a history of buying cars from your dealerships why aren’t they taking care of you somewhat? You are their bread and butter every 36 months.
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Originally Posted by Rockland
I might need to ask my guy if he would do this for everyone. This is my 3rd car I have bought from him in 4.5 years. I am sure he could get sticker too like everyone else. I have referred friends to him, but random internet people that I don’t know? Not sure what the protocol is here. If you guys have a history of buying cars from your dealerships why aren’t they taking care of you somewhat? You are their bread and butter every 36 months.
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We actually had a dealer tell us he would not sell to us because he wanted a local who would come back for their next car. Whatever. In the age of the internet, this all feels harder than necessary. Just list the (real) price and sell it to whoever wants it. I'm looking for a car not a friend.
I agree the used car prices have been staggering but this is all temporary, once the supply chain is resolved, MB will be back to providing plenty of cars at their MRSP and those who paid 30K extra this year, will just be out 30K. Cars are depreciating assets, no way these premiums will translate into long term value. However, anyone paying 30K over sticker has more money than they know what to do with and wont care.
I agree the used car prices have been staggering but this is all temporary, once the supply chain is resolved, MB will be back to providing plenty of cars at their MRSP and those who paid 30K extra this year, will just be out 30K. Cars are depreciating assets, no way these premiums will translate into long term value. However, anyone paying 30K over sticker has more money than they know what to do with and wont care.
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We actually had a dealer tell us he would not sell to us because he wanted a local who would come back for their next car. Whatever. In the age of the internet, this all feels harder than necessary. Just list the (real) price and sell it to whoever wants it. I'm looking for a car not a friend.
I agree the used car prices have been staggering but this is all temporary, once the supply chain is resolved, MB will be back to providing plenty of cars at their MRSP and those who paid 30K extra this year, will just be out 30K. Cars are depreciating assets, no way these premiums will translate into long term value. However, anyone paying 30K over sticker has more money than they know what to do with and wont care.
I agree the used car prices have been staggering but this is all temporary, once the supply chain is resolved, MB will be back to providing plenty of cars at their MRSP and those who paid 30K extra this year, will just be out 30K. Cars are depreciating assets, no way these premiums will translate into long term value. However, anyone paying 30K over sticker has more money than they know what to do with and wont care.
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Yes, Manhattan was selling at MSRP a few months ago, but I hear they are marking up now too although they are a factory store. If you did get a MSRP deal on a preorder good luck. I ordered a GWagon for delivery in July, and now I won't be getting a car until 2023. No one even communicated with me that my July car wouldn't be arriving. My guess is someone was willing to pay mark up so they moved those mark up orders before mine.
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OMG, and someone with more $ than brains will buy one at that price.
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I might need to ask my guy if he would do this for everyone. This is my 3rd car I have bought from him in 4.5 years. I am sure he could get sticker too like everyone else. I have referred friends to him, but random internet people that I don’t know? Not sure what the protocol is here. If you guys have a history of buying cars from your dealerships why aren’t they taking care of you somewhat? You are their bread and butter every 36 months.
I too agree though with free market. I just didn't realize that the cars are basically up for auction with the highest bidder taking it.
Christies and Sothebys should take notice.
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Yes, Manhattan was selling at MSRP a few months ago, but I hear they are marking up now too although they are a factory store. If you did get a MSRP deal on a preorder good luck. I ordered a GWagon for delivery in July, and now I won't be getting a car until 2023. No one even communicated with me that my July car wouldn't be arriving. My guess is someone was willing to pay mark up so they moved those mark up orders before mine.
Evidence: Take a look at this video. I'm a big fan of producer Michael. In this video - the scumbag Israeli salesman (I am Jewish by the way) all but admits to "wanting to please a famous person" and went back to the person who ordered the car to push him to back out of it. He seemed proud of it - but it exposed whats going on in the dealerships. I think after an order is placed, the free market shouldn't mean being pushed to let your spot go for someone with a deeper wallet or fame. A contract still should mean something. If these car contracts don't have to mean something - what road does that lead us down?
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