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Does anyone know when the mid-model refresh will occur? I don’t know Mercedes’ product cycles. Is it 4/8 or four years for a refresh and eight years per generation on average? So does that mean a refresh in 2025?
Does anyone know when the mid-model refresh will occur? I don’t know Mercedes’ product cycles. Is it 4/8 or four years for a refresh and eight years per generation on average? So does that mean a refresh in 2025?
S-Class has a 7-8 years life cycle on average. I notice that the S63 E Performance is listed as a 2024 MY and it has no refresh features. So, the earliest will be MY 2025, I guess.
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Originally Posted by bishop64
S-Class has a 7-8 years life cycle on average. I notice that the S63 E Performance is listed as a 2024 MY and it has no refresh features. So, the earliest will be MY 2025, I guess.
Does anyone know when the mid-model refresh will occur? I don’t know Mercedes’ product cycles. Is it 4/8 or four years for a refresh and eight years per generation on average? So does that mean a refresh in 2025?
W222 came to the states MY2014 mid cycle refresh 2018
One big uncertainty that can make a difference is that the next S-Class is going to be fully electric (supposedly).
I think this is a very big change and MB is likely to be extra careful and conservative for this switch. As a result, it is possible that the current 223 generation might get a longer life span, from 7-8 years to, say, 9-10 years (?).
If this is the case, the mid-cycle refresh will come later than MY2025.
MY25 most likely. Expect updates to the head and taillights, as well as inside a third screen most likely, and most likely the new MBOS infotainment and any other features the next W214 E-Class brings to the market.
Does anyone know if the mbux version is different in cars with hyperscreens versus our tablet?
It is not, the only difference is of course the aspect ratio and addition of the passenger screen. That being said, the W214 E-Class introduces MBOS which is the new infotainment system, although still similar to MBUX.
Thanks. I read here that Mercedes tends to mothball entertainment systems when a new generation comes out, leaving these cars with zero updates even if there is room for improvement. BMW and Audi doesn’t ignore older systems.
One big uncertainty that can make a difference is that the next S-Class is going to be fully electric (supposedly).
I think this is a very big change and MB is likely to be extra careful and conservative for this switch. As a result, it is possible that the current 223 generation might get a longer life span, from 7-8 years to, say, 9-10 years (?).
If this is the case, the mid-cycle refresh will come later than MY2025.
I believe the longer than normal life cycle was confirmed already at the time of W223 release. I'd say the question is if there will be one or two face lifts like some other body styles have had.
I believe the longer than normal life cycle was confirmed already at the time of W223 release. I'd say the question is if there will be one or two face lifts like some other body styles have had.
I must have missed that announcement of a longer-than-normal life cycle for the 223. Did MB say how long or did they just say it would be longer? Do you have a link? Thanks.
I must have missed that announcement of a longer-than-normal life cycle for the 223. Did MB say how long or did they just say it would be longer? Do you have a link? Thanks.
Too poor memory to say where it came, probably jesmb.de or similar sites that work very closely with MB but are not any official source. Quite obvious (?) on the basis that the decision to go to all electric is too far from the normal 7 year body style cycle and too close for a new ICE model.
Too poor memory to say where it came, probably jesmb.de or similar sites that work very closely with MB but are not any official source. Quite obvious (?) on the basis that the decision to go to all electric is too far from the normal 7 year body style cycle and too close for a new ICE model.
Yikes! jesmb.de is in Duetsch!
I did learn basic German from the local Goethe Institut some 40 years ago!
Without practice all these years, now my German has dwindled down to single words and simple phrases. Bitte virgib mir.
Just discovered the Goethe Institut now offers 'German for Seniors', a beginner level course for retirees. Maybe I will pick up again this long lost hobby some time.
If one were to do a search for 2025 s class refresh spy shots they would get a result that might be of interest. Looking further...
We’ve long expected that only one of the two full-size Mercedes sedans, either the Mercedes S-Class or the Mercedes EQS, will move to the next generation. On July 31, 2022, JESMB published a report saying that Mercedes-Benz will have only one sedan in this segment in the future. That could be either a first-ever Mercedes S-Class Electric or the second generation of the Mercedes EQS, which was introduced in 2021.
According to the second report from JESMB, the first-ever Mercedes S-Class Electric or the next-gen Mercedes EQS will arrive in 2028. Mercedes-Benz will probably keep the S-Class Mk7 on sale beyond 2028 so that it doesn’t lose customers in countries with limited charging infrastructure, as per the report...
If one were to do a search for 2025 s class refresh spy shots they would get a result that might be of interest. Looking further...
We’ve long expected that only one of the two full-size Mercedes sedans, either the Mercedes S-Class or the Mercedes EQS, will move to the next generation. On July 31, 2022, JESMB published a report saying that Mercedes-Benz will have only one sedan in this segment in the future. That could be either a first-ever Mercedes S-Class Electric or the second generation of the Mercedes EQS, which was introduced in 2021.
According to the second report from JESMB, the first-ever Mercedes S-Class Electric or the next-gen Mercedes EQS will arrive in 2028. Mercedes-Benz will probably keep the S-Class Mk7 on sale beyond 2028 so that it doesn’t lose customers in countries with limited charging infrastructure, as per the report...
There will be no next EQS, it will simply just be an S-Class EV. The EQ naming scheme was always a temporary transitional measure and is to be dropped for the next generation of electric cars. The upcoming entry level compact EV on the future MMA platform will likely be the first EV to use a regular nomenclature, as it is designed to be the successor to the CLA. How Mercedes will differentiate these two S-Class’ will be interesting, perhaps they will use e-badging or some other way. As we have seen Audi is changing their nomenclature completely, making even numbered cars EV’s and odd numbers ICE (for example, the next-generation A4 Avant is confirmed to now be the A5 Avant, and the next A8 is to be EV-only as well).
Mercedes would have been better off just electrifying the current S class to begin with: one model with multiple power trains, instead of splitting it off. They could have differentiated with badging or other cosmetic features.
If they do merge it back, I hope the unified design language forsakes some coefficient of drag for a more traditional S Class look. And I hope we get at least one or maybe two more generations that offers multiple power trains. I can certainly see more hybridization and maybe a sunsetting of the V8.
Mercedes would have been better off just electrifying the current S class to begin with: one model with multiple power trains, instead of splitting it off. They could have differentiated with badging or other cosmetic features.
If they do merge it back, I hope the unified design language forsakes some coefficient of drag for a more traditional S Class look. And I hope we get at least one or maybe two more generations that offers multiple power trains. I can certainly see more hybridization and maybe a sunsetting of the V8.
It is difficult and inefficient to use the same car for both ICE and EV. Eg the location of the battery array almost always has to be on the floor under the passenger cabin. This feature alone not only affects the interior space arrangement but also the CG of the car. There are just so many factors that are not common between ICE cars and EVs.
Some might call it fanboy-ism or blind faith or wishful thinking or whatever, but I have a high degree of confidence that MB will do the next S-Class right and am really looking forward to it. However, I do worry that the local infrastructure (eg number of charging stations) might not be ready by that time.
A quick recap of the S-Class history. Come, W224! My bet is that it will be more in line with this heritage rather than with the EQS line, especially the exterior design.
Didn’t BMW manage to duplicate the EV and non-EV in essentially the same package for the 7 series, even though it is ugly as sin. Mercedes should have done the same.
It is difficult and inefficient to use the same car for both ICE and EV. Eg the location of the battery array almost always has to be on the floor under the passenger cabin. This feature alone not only affects the interior space arrangement but also the CG of the car. There are just so many factors that are not common between ICE cars and EVs.
Some might call it fanboy-ism or blind faith or wishful thinking or whatever, but I have a high degree of confidence that MB will do the next S-Class right and am really looking forward to it. However, I do worry that the local infrastructure (eg number of charging stations) might not be ready by that time.
A quick recap of the S-Class history. Come, W224! My bet is that it will be more in line with this heritage rather than with the EQS line, especially the exterior design.
Wow…. Quite interesting how the W221 still looks as sharp and modern, if not even sharper, than W222 and W223. Arguably the best S-class design in the modern era.
Wow…. Quite interesting how the W221 still looks as sharp and modern, if not even sharper, than W222 and W223. Arguably the best S-class design in the modern era.
Yes, the W221 still looks sharp. I think the exterior is still design relevant in today's standard. But the interior is not as much. I think the W221 is, sort of, caught between two stools. It is not as new and modern as the w223 but it is not as 'old' (aka classic) as the W126 or W116.
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Originally Posted by bishop64
One big uncertainty that can make a difference is that the next S-Class is going to be fully electric (supposedly).
I think this is a very big change and MB is likely to be extra careful and conservative for this switch. As a result, it is possible that the current 223 generation might get a longer life span, from 7-8 years to, say, 9-10 years (?).
If this is the case, the mid-cycle refresh will come later than MY2025.
Oh ya that is true I guess similar to what BMW is doing to the 3-series I heard.
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Originally Posted by js_cls
It is not, the only difference is of course the aspect ratio and addition of the passenger screen. That being said, the W214 E-Class introduces MBOS which is the new infotainment system, although still similar to MBUX.
It does look similar indeed, I am curious what really is changed, I mean the design of the interface seems like a carbon copy from MBUX 2.0 (NTG 7.0, myMBUX as you know it)
I guess it is a whole new OS departing from COMAND finally? Some forum members explained it here so I think that is it? https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...llo-mb-os.html
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Originally Posted by Frenetic
Didn’t BMW manage to duplicate the EV and non-EV in essentially the same package for the 7 series, even though it is ugly as sin. Mercedes should have done the same.
I guess the problem with having the same ICE platform for electric vehicle and suffers the most is range.
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Originally Posted by Diesel Benz
I believe the longer than normal life cycle was confirmed already at the time of W223 release. I'd say the question is if there will be one or two face lifts like some other body styles have had.
Curious as well, I wonder if MB will do multiple facelifts like how Porsche did to the Macan?
04-06-2023, 03:38 PM
