3D Burmester Fully Broken In
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oh I see now!! So is it fair to assume that the “Burmester High-End 3D Surround Sound System” in the W222, is closer to the “4D” in the W223? Price point they are similar and from the functionality side they are also “nearly” similar except for maybe one feature?
I never realized W223 has 3D as the base, does that mean 3D is standard too or just a cheaper version of the 4D or High-End?
I never realized W223 has 3D as the base, does that mean 3D is standard too or just a cheaper version of the 4D or High-End?
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Also, there is big difference in number of speakers and watts.
Burmester 4D has 31 speakers, 1750W, 1 subwoofer & speaker on front headrests and exciters is seats.
(I know, I know,,,some are now going to ignore the speakers/watts and dwell on the negligible exciters)
Burmester 3D has 15 speakers, 710W
HUGE difference! More than double!
(note: some regions have a standard sound sys 9 speakers & 125W)
Burmester 4D has 31 speakers, 1750W, 1 subwoofer & speaker on front headrests and exciters is seats.
(I know, I know,,,some are now going to ignore the speakers/watts and dwell on the negligible exciters)
Burmester 3D has 15 speakers, 710W
HUGE difference! More than double!
(note: some regions have a standard sound sys 9 speakers & 125W)
Last edited by Sonic Boom; Jul 8, 2023 at 06:26 PM.
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Also, there is big difference in number of speakers and watts.
Burmester 4D has 31 speakers, 1750W, 1 subwoofer & speaker on front headrests and exciters is seats.
(I know, I know,,,some are now going to ignore the speakers/watts and dwell on the negligible exciters)
Burmester 3D has 15 speakers, 710W
HUGE difference! More than double!
(note: some regions have a standard sound sys 9 speakers & 125W)
Burmester 4D has 31 speakers, 1750W, 1 subwoofer & speaker on front headrests and exciters is seats.
(I know, I know,,,some are now going to ignore the speakers/watts and dwell on the negligible exciters)
Burmester 3D has 15 speakers, 710W
HUGE difference! More than double!
(note: some regions have a standard sound sys 9 speakers & 125W)
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Also, there is big difference in number of speakers and watts.
Burmester 4D has 31 speakers, 1750W, 1 subwoofer & speaker on front headrests and exciters is seats.
(I know, I know,,,some are now going to ignore the speakers/watts and dwell on the negligible exciters)
Burmester 3D has 15 speakers, 710W
HUGE difference! More than double!
(note: some regions have a standard sound sys 9 speakers & 125W)
Burmester 4D has 31 speakers, 1750W, 1 subwoofer & speaker on front headrests and exciters is seats.
(I know, I know,,,some are now going to ignore the speakers/watts and dwell on the negligible exciters)
Burmester 3D has 15 speakers, 710W
HUGE difference! More than double!
(note: some regions have a standard sound sys 9 speakers & 125W)
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I finally eclipsed 2k miles and the 3D Burmester has really settled in. I got everything dialed in perfectly and the speakers have loosened up a bit where it sounds really good to me, as good as the $4k high-end Burmester I had in my GLE. Out of all of the cars I’ve owned, and all of the stereo systems they had, from Bose, Harmon Kardon, Bang and Olufsen (not the super high-end one, though), this one sounds the best to me. I can only imagine what the 4D system is like. If given the opportunity, I would’ve have definitely optioned that. Maybe next time. This is definitely one of the bright spots to me, very pleased.
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Base Burmester on the W222 and Burmester 3D on the W223 has paper cone drivers with silk done tweeters whereas the Burmester High End 3D on the W222 and Burmester High End 4D W223 have fibre woven cones with rigid aluminum diaphragm tweeters.
I also have the B&W diamond on my 7 and it's only okay. Sure, there's some warmth and the highs are crisp, but it's not crisp enough and the roll off in certain spectrums. Pop and some jazz sound okay but I find instrumental, orchestral, and classical to be leave a lot of to be desired, especially in the mid bass spectrum where there's a timpani, bass drum, or a double bass, it doesn't sound nor feel immersive. Metallic instruments also lack the harsh sparkle like in a live setting.
I don't like the HK on my MB's. The W221 I had was leftover inventory at the time and it was either B&O with burl walnut and standard wheels or HK with piano lacquer and the perf pkg wheels. The old HK systems pre 2010 were much more satisfying.
All of these concerns are also present for me with the Burmester High End systems on my mother's vehicles.
I have yet to come across any car system that is impressive or makes me go "wow"; Naim in a Bentley is better but still not a "wow" sort of experience. Nothing sounds "live" nor realistic nor comparable to a high end home system designed by an audio professional and it feels like all the manufacturers over promise and underdeliver. Am I just being unreasonable in terms of my expectations because it's just a car system after all?
I also have the B&W diamond on my 7 and it's only okay. Sure, there's some warmth and the highs are crisp, but it's not crisp enough and the roll off in certain spectrums. Pop and some jazz sound okay but I find instrumental, orchestral, and classical to be leave a lot of to be desired, especially in the mid bass spectrum where there's a timpani, bass drum, or a double bass, it doesn't sound nor feel immersive. Metallic instruments also lack the harsh sparkle like in a live setting.
I don't like the HK on my MB's. The W221 I had was leftover inventory at the time and it was either B&O with burl walnut and standard wheels or HK with piano lacquer and the perf pkg wheels. The old HK systems pre 2010 were much more satisfying.
All of these concerns are also present for me with the Burmester High End systems on my mother's vehicles.
I have yet to come across any car system that is impressive or makes me go "wow"; Naim in a Bentley is better but still not a "wow" sort of experience. Nothing sounds "live" nor realistic nor comparable to a high end home system designed by an audio professional and it feels like all the manufacturers over promise and underdeliver. Am I just being unreasonable in terms of my expectations because it's just a car system after all?
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