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Is it possible to charge to a 220 wall socket? This is the wall socket I have I my garage and my wife’s Volvo came with an adapter but I don’t see one with the Mercedes.
The plug that was provided is a standard 110 plug. What type of adapter do I need?
My understanding is that the W223 supports 220V charging. If that's the case, I would really consider getting a 220V 40A (36A) charger instead. You do not want a 110V charged.
You just need any 40A charger that has a NEMA 14-50 plug, just google and there are tons of options
I still need a new charger even though I already have the 240 wall socket? Wouldn’t it just be an adapter needed to hook up to the cord provided by Mercedes? That’s how it works with my wife’s Volvo xc90
Our S 580 e comes with a Mercedes issued Level 1 charger. However, it is best to invest in a Level 2 charger since you have the capability to charge at Level 2 with your outlet. I must admit I was dissappointed that Mercedes chose NOT to include a Level 2 charger on a car costing over a $120,000. My previous 2020 Audi A8 L e came with a Level 2 charger, but I digress.
So my first charge last week was at Level 1 which took over 24 hours. The manual says that the car charges at Level 1 at the rate of 1-2 miles per hour.
I suggest investing in a Level 2 charger. I bought a Lectron Level 2 charger for use at my home. About $300 online. Using it, the car charges from zero to full in less than 2 hours. You have the capability, so why not use it for 55 miles of EV travel every day?
I still need a new charger even though I already have the 240 wall socket? Wouldn’t it just be an adapter needed to hook up to the cord provided by Mercedes? That’s how it works with my wife’s Volvo xc90
Thats not a 14-50 plug anyways, you're level 2 charging but you're not getting 40 amps. I would get a nice wallbox where the charger hangs there either hardwired (which will run 48 amps) or plugged into a 14-50 plug (which will run 50 amps) and it will be much neater in your garage anyways.
Thats not a 14-50 plug anyways, you're level 2 charging but you're not getting 40 amps. I would get a nice wallbox where the charger hangs there either hardwired (which will run 48 amps) or plugged into a 14-50 plug (which will run 50 amps) and it will be much neater in your garage anyways.
If you meant that a plugged in setup would get him 50 amp charging, that's not right for NEMA 14-50 Plug-in in the US . You can NOT get 50 amps from that plug-in setup in the US.
OP, these are your options and a recommendation for each type:
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Hardwired wall-box setup:
Charging performance : Up to 11.5 kW / 48 amp delivered on a 60 amp breaker. Can wire it to 50 amp circuit (40 delivered)
Pros: Faster (specifically in the US). I am not sure if there are other pros in your case here since you already have a 14-50 outlet available....
Cons: not a mobile type of charger (fixed in your garage (hardwired)), so you can't take it with you to work, tips or hotels wherein you may or may not have access to a 120 or 220 plug-in adapter.
Note: I'd recommend you hire a certified electrician to hand-wire it for you and follow all codes. It could vary based on where you live, but a job like that takes ~1 hour, and with materials, the cost would be 300 USD to thousands USD depending on how far your panel is from your charging point. I paid 320 USD including labor and material, as my panel is right next to where my EV is parked in my garage.
Or the Tesla wallbox with J1772 adapter (already included):https://shop.tesla.com/product/universal-wall-connector --> The Tesla wall-box which comes with the J1772 adapter you need for your car. It's a reliable option from a reputable source. You can find other options that are more cost effective.
Plug-in setup:
Note: Plug-in setups in the US are legally limited to 40A charging. In other words, plug-in installation can only be used for circuits rated 40A or 50A. Check your local state if there are an exceptions though.
Charging performance: Up to 40 amp charging speed and 9.6 kW on a 50A circuit.
Pros: Easy to unplug mobile options (some of them) that can you unplug and take with you during trips for emergencies (though level 1 is better for that purpose), keep in your car, etc.
Cons: Not as fast as a wallbox hardwired installation
If you meant that a plugged in setup would get him 50 amp charging, that's not right for NEMA 14-50 Plug-in in the US . You can NOT get 50 amps from that plug-in setup in the US.
No, hardwired would get him 48 amps, plug into a 14-50 outlet would get him 40. I meant to type "40 amps" not 50 amps.
You CAN get 50 amps from a plug in setup but it requires a 14-60 plug or a 60 amp breaker on a 14-50 plug which is a code violation. There are a couple chargers that have a 14-60 plug. Makes more sense to just hardwire it.
No, hardwired would get him 48 amps, plug into a 14-50 outlet would get him 40. I meant to type "40 amps" not 50 amps.
You CAN get 50 amps from a plug in setup but it requires a 14-60 plug or a 60 amp breaker on a 14-50 plug which is a code violation. There are a couple chargers that have a 14-60 plug. Makes more sense to just hardwire it.
I've never seen a 14-60 "plug-in" charger, but I won't be surprised if there are some options as it's possible at least on paper (I wonder of they are UL certified or allowed in the US) for 14-60 plug as a plug-in (non hardwired solution) I know there are a few that have an "adapter" from 14-60 to 14-50, but have not seen a plug-in option that works directly as a plug-in option with a 14-60 plug as a plug-in option. Even in that case, they'd get 48 amp not 50 amp (I believe) from the 60 amp circuit.
OP, these are your options and a recommendation for each type:
-
Hardwired wall-box setup:
Charging performance : Up to 11.5 kW / 48 amp delivered on a 60 amp breaker. Can wire it to 50 amp circuit (40 delivered)
Pros: Faster (specifically in the US). I am not sure if there are other pros in your case here since you already have a 14-50 outlet available....
Cons: not a mobile type of charger (fixed in your garage (hardwired)), so you can't take it with you to work, tips or hotels wherein you may or may not have access to a 120 or 220 plug-in adapter.
Note: I'd recommend you hire a certified electrician to hand-wire it for you and follow all codes. It could vary based on where you live, but a job like that takes ~1 hour, and with materials, the cost would be 300 USD to thousands USD depending on how far your panel is from your charging point. I paid 320 USD including labor and material, as my panel is right next to where my EV is parked in my garage.
Or the Tesla wallbox with J1772 adapter (already included):https://shop.tesla.com/product/universal-wall-connector --> The Tesla wall-box which comes with the J1772 adapter you need for your car. It's a reliable option from a reputable source. You can find other options that are more cost effective.
Plug-in setup:
Note: Plug-in setups in the US are legally limited to 40A charging. In other words, plug-in installation can only be used for circuits rated 40A or 50A. Check your local state if there are an exceptions though.
Charging performance: Up to 40 amp charging speed and 9.6 kW on a 50A circuit.
Pros: Easy to unplug mobile options (some of them) that can you unplug and take with you during trips for emergencies (though level 1 is better for that purpose), keep in your car, etc.
Cons: Not as fast as a wallbox hardwired installation
You can use this option as (or convert it to) a hardwired option
thanks for your response. Unfortunately electrical is way over my head. Just confirming there is no way for my to hook it up to my current wall outlet without the charge point option?
thanks for your response. Unfortunately electrical is way over my head. Just confirming there is no way for my to hook it up to my current wall outlet without the charge point option?
really appreciate everyone’s responses.
I am not sure I can fully answer your question without knowing all the detail. What kind of a charger do you currently have for your Mbenz? Can you post the model number or a photo of it? Keep in mind that all options I posted for you above are "fast" chargers (faster than level-1 charger that usually comes with most PHEV cars).
I just noticed your Volvo charging cable pictures. If that is what you want to use, actually that's a good one. What you have is a 6-20P plug/cable". The Volvo chapter is unique in a way that it already comes with adapters and sounds like you have the 6-20P adapter installed now (which is not compatible with your garage outlet). However, the easy solution, is to replace your 6-20P cable with a 14-50 (14-50P specifically) cable/adapter (you can twist if from the very end of the charger itself), then get and snap the OEM 15-40 on your Volvo charger and you should be good to go and use your current garage outlet (15-40) with your current Volvo charger as a level-2 getting you 40 amps. You need to ask Volvo if you can get a replacement cable that is 14-50 cable/plug to replace your current 6-20P cable/plug from Volvo.
Wow that’s interesting if they truly ship and sell in the US. By code, majority of areas require a hardwired connection for any circuit larger than a 50A breaker. I wonder why does this even exist if they are against code, but I know people do whatever they want sometimes.
Wow that’s interesting if they truly ship and sell in the US. By code, majority of areas require a hardwired connection for any circuit larger than a 50A breaker. I wonder why does this even exist if they are against code, but I know people do whatever they want sometimes.
Yeah I saw that. I did some research just now... In fact this was a code violation (for the plug in solution up to that power or amp rating), all the way until the 2023 NEC code was released. The NEC is updated and published every three years, and 2023 was the first time that this arrangement has become allowed by code. Am sure most major manufacturers are yet to realize that (or yet to offer or develop solutions). Am sure other chargers from the top brands to also switch their (only hardwire) instructions for that rating to also include a plug-in option. 48amp vs 40mp is ~20% increase over traditional plug-in charging speeds, not bad really for those who needs it. I'd always favor mobile plug-in solution (especially when the charger also comes with a 110V 15amp adapter for trips or emergencies) over hardwired now that a 48amp charging speed is available via both setups.
Finally picked my up car and the Volvo charger works with the new car. Full charge is taking 6 hours.
Congrats!!! How many miles does your W223 PHEV read on full charge, just curious? Also you do mind sharing your new range after driving it for 300+ miles once the BMS calibrates? Thanks a lot.... Oh, also, a review thread about the W223 PHEV would be awesome too : )
By the way did you need to get a new adapter? Because the Volvo plug you showed does not match the 14-50 wall outlet; Am curious.
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