4D Burmester Option in 2025
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I have always felt that the options for the S Class—and for most of the MB line—are relative bargains. The problem is that to get most of the better options, one must place a factory order. I have done nine MB factory orders and the enjoyment one gets from the luscious options far outlasts the memory of the cost, most all of the time. Exclusive Nappa Leather, Warmth & Comfort Pkg. and the 4D Audio are absolute bargains, in my opinion. EABC, not so much. Next time around, do yourself a favor and place an order for EXACTLY the car you want. It can be a very rewarding experience.
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- I thought the Sky Magic Control was a 4-5K scam, but I really enjoyed it in my W222 even in summer.
- 3D/4D Burmester is a must-have; sound systems are one of those things wherein “more is always better”. There is a reason this package costs a lot.
- I am not quite sure about the 3D HUD.
- An S-class without top-of-the-line leather isn’t a good buy in my view. The feel, touch, and softness of that top-of-the-line Semianiline leather I had in my W222 was outstanding, and the look was even better.
- EABC/MBC/etc: This is the only one that I am not quite sold on; it made every S-class I drove as well as GLS a bit too firm/rigid for in-town roads. I get that it absorbs highways, but am not sold on how it performs in-town and at lower speeds and that’s mostly what I care about. Most MBenz cars are already comfy on highways.
- Rear seat entertainment is nice… I like it at least for completeness. It’s pretty nice for road-trips, massage seats adjustment, and frankly, cosmetically alone it’s well worth it like a nice wheel, or nice interior color, etc - that’s how I see rear seat entertainment screens.
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Car doesn't have to be FULLY loaded for me, but it has to have stuff I want. Really the only thing I missed on my S560 which was a pretty low spec car with no W&C or power rear seats was the executive nappa interior, mainly for the suede headliner. I had that in my LS460L and the cloth headliner always felt cheap after being used to that. Then we got the Pacifica Pinnacle with a suede headliner and then it really pissed me off lol. The base leather you find in the S450/S500 is terrible, but all the nappa leathers are excellent.
My S580 has that interior and its a huge upgrade. It has W&C, the power rear seats which I actually would rather not have. I don't have HUD which I didn't want, or the 3D gauge cluster which I also actively didn't want (the bezels are bigger around the gauge screen). Only option I would have liked to have had was the 4D audio, but I am so happy with the new 3D audio when played through online media I probably wouldn't order that.
My S580 has that interior and its a huge upgrade. It has W&C, the power rear seats which I actually would rather not have. I don't have HUD which I didn't want, or the 3D gauge cluster which I also actively didn't want (the bezels are bigger around the gauge screen). Only option I would have liked to have had was the 4D audio, but I am so happy with the new 3D audio when played through online media I probably wouldn't order that.
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That’s my philosophy too. Fully loaded for my daily drives no matter what - no compromises. Never felt that any of the optional packages is an overkill. My first W222 was a fairly well-loaded one; my 2nd one was fully loaded to the max minus a refrigerator. Despite the 1st one having everything I really wanted, the ownership experience and joy I had with my 2nd W222 was outstanding and relatively superior despite that all the extras were in the (nice to have) category and not extremely critical functional options; but I learned then to appreciate these options and they’ve become a “must have” for me when I can.
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- I thought the Sky Magic Control was a 4-5K scam, but I really enjoyed it in my W222 even in summer.
- 3D/4D Burmester is a must-have; sound systems are one of those things wherein “more is always better”. There is a reason this package costs a lot.
- I am not quite sure about the 3D HUD.
- An S-class without top-of-the-line leather isn’t a good buy in my view. The feel, touch, and softness of that top-of-the-line Semianiline leather I had in my W222 was outstanding, and the look was even better.
- EABC/MBC/etc: This is the only one that I am not quite sold on; it made every S-class I drove as well as GLS a bit too firm/rigid for in-town roads. I get that it absorbs highways, but am not sold on how it performs in-town and at lower speeds and that’s mostly what I care about. Most MBenz cars are already comfy on highways.
- Rear seat entertainment is nice… I like it at least for completeness. It’s pretty nice for road-trips, massage seats adjustment, and frankly, cosmetically alone it’s well worth it like a nice wheel, or nice interior color, etc - that’s how I see rear seat entertainment screens.
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Cruising around in a nice car while listening to some great music, fully insulated from the world outside, is one of life’s great simple pleasures. Ensuring the car stereo is of the highest quality just takes it to whole different level. 4D is a must-have option for me.
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I feel that way driving around in mine now without the 4D Burmester. If I were ordering I would get it, but I always buy cars that are on the ground so its very hard to find one with it.
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Ya, 4d was a deal breaker, and red interior. Next to impossible to find on the ground. So I ordered it
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Maybe M-B listened to you . In 2024 Rear Axle Steering is a $1300 standalone option. Don’t know about 2023 model year.
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Is there some reason you cannot buy an upscale vehicle without a moonroof? They even put them in pick up trucks these days. It took me several months to find a Ford Lariat without a moon roof. Too much potential for problems to include leaking and wind noise. Don’t use them and don’t want them. In most brands they are an extra cost option and even where they’re not I’m sure they’re a cost factor in the MSRP. I think my S-580 even has one for the rear seat (panorama). Never even bothered to look.
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Is there some reason you cannot buy an upscale vehicle without a moonroof? They even put them in pick up trucks these days. It took me several months to find a Ford Lariat without a moon roof. Too much potential for problems to include leaking and wind noise. Don’t use them and don’t want them. In most brands they are an extra cost option and even where they’re not I’m sure they’re a cost factor in the MSRP. I think my S-580 even has one for the rear seat (panorama). Never even bothered to look.
In all the many cars I have had with sunroofs I have never had an issue with leaking or wind noise or anything like that.
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Because the vast majority of buyers want them, and selling cars without them doesn’t make financial sense because it’s such a small group who don’t want them.
In all the many cars I have had with sunroofs I have never had an issue with leaking or wind noise or anything like that.
In all the many cars I have had with sunroofs I have never had an issue with leaking or wind noise or anything like that.
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It costs more to build a car with a sunroof than without. Carmakers do tons of research into what their buyers want and don’t want. If that research showed most people prefer cars without them, that’s what they would build. The fact that everybody offers glass roofs and sunroofs is proof enough that’s what consumers want.
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It costs more to build a car with a sunroof than without. Carmakers do tons of research into what their buyers want and don’t want. If that research showed most people prefer cars without them, that’s what they would build. The fact that everybody offers glass roofs and sunroofs is proof enough that’s what consumers want.
Not 100% sure, but a glass top car should insulate sound a bit better than a metal roof
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It costs more to build a car with a sunroof than without. Carmakers do tons of research into what their buyers want and don’t want. If that research showed most people prefer cars without them, that’s what they would build. The fact that everybody offers glass roofs and sunroofs is proof enough that’s what consumers want.
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There is no doubt that solid roof are better in terms of insulation. The solid-roof also comes with an interior headliner, and depending on manufacturers, some of them come with a really nice thick layer behind the alcantara or fabric. I know that for a fact at least based on how many times this was discussed in the 8-series subforum. The solid carbon roof is very popular and everyone wants it. Not only because it looks better, but definitely the sound is well insulated and the sound-system also resonates better in the cabin.
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There is no doubt that solid roof are better in terms of insulation. The solid-roof also comes with an interior headliner, and depending on manufacturers, some of them come with a really nice thick layer behind the alcantara or fabric. I know that for a fact at least based on how many times this was discussed in the 8-series subforum. The solid carbon roof is very popular and everyone wants it. Not only because it looks better, but definitely the sound is well insulated and the sound-system also resonates better in the cabin.
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There are more cars built without full panoramic roofs (generally speaking, not S-class or so wherein panoramic sunroofs are a must have). The small sunroof, fine, yeah. But full panoramic roofs? No, most cars are built without them, and most people prefer to not pay for them.
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C'mon, a couple of years, and it's gone; your cat will live through 3 or 4 cars. I get many of the complaints here, but you're maybe a little bit persnickety when you're lighting it up over a sunroof you won't even notice, if you close the shade?
To look at it another way, how many here were complaining because that damn 223 was too noisy, or the sunroof exploded, as had happened over in the land of BMW?
I love you guys. But damn, this is a tough audience! Lol
To look at it another way, how many here were complaining because that damn 223 was too noisy, or the sunroof exploded, as had happened over in the land of BMW?
I love you guys. But damn, this is a tough audience! Lol
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I’ve hated the glass roofs ever since I first saw one. To me, they are ugly and completely change the look of lighter colored cars. They should all be optional.
