E430tuner

I am in the market for a new S class but would like to get the S63. Dealers are clueless as to a release date in the USA. Anyone have an idea as to when it will be out, as well as cost?

2fast4u

Sincerly I don't believe that there will be a S63.
I was in Affalterbach last june to test S65 and I spoke with some people who confirm my idea.

MB produce a S600 (europe cost without vat it's 125.000 euro less or more w/o optionals) and S65 (europe cost without vat it's 175.000 euro less or more w/o optionals).

Why MB had to introduce a new model who will cost probably less then S600 with same power and some technological options (someone talk about ceramic brakes ...) that S600 couldn't fit ?

Pls remember that S500 L version (for USA market is S550) in europe cost 95.000 euro but if You fit all the options that S600 has in stock your total arrive at 110.000 euro less or more.

So what price could be correct for a S63AMG to avoid to kill S65 and S600 ?

I think that we'll never se that car.

Bye

Germancar1

The S63 and CLK63 will be shown this month at the Paris Auto Show. The S63 and CL63 will likely be here next spring as 08' models.

Believe me there is plenty of room from the S550 to the S65 AMG to price the S63. It will likely cost about the same as or a little less than the 140k+ S600. There is no way AMG has a new V8 and it won't see duty in the new CL or S-Class.

M

Eddie Knopp

From a highly placed source at MBUSA - S63 will be available in the US 2nd quarter 2007. Guess we'll see it in Paris

whoover

That doesn't sound right. Considering that the W221 12-cylinder cars include significant options that were separate in W220 pricing (like Distronic), the prices are pretty close to '06 W220 equivalents. I wouldn't expect the S63 to be that much more than the 2006 S55 MSRP of 114k.

2006 W220:
S500 -- 87k
S55 -- 114k
S600 -- 130k - 135k
S65 -- 170k - 175k

2007 W221:
S550 -- 86k
S63 -- ?
S600 -- 140k
S65 -- 182k

meegle

The figures you referenced above where pretty much what I had provided several sales rep at various dealerships yet they all were confident that the base S63 would be priced in the 130-135K range.
If base MSRP were anywhere near the 114K range of the 2006 model, Many including myself would gladly wait.

Germancar1

True I don't doubt what you're saying, but I'd say about 10K more than the old S55 maybe. MB has been raising prices lately at their leisure it seems.

M

whoover

That probably is the upper limit that the market will bear. The 10k increase in S600 and S65 includes some goodies (like Distronic II and even Keyless Go) that might be harder to force down the throats of traditional S55 owners. And the MSRP of the base S550 is cheaper than the base price of the 2006 S500. The MSRP of the E63 is less than 3k over the 2006 E55. All of which means even 120k for the S63 will be very hard to justify. We'll just have to wait and see.

Germancar1

Either way it is going to be an awesome car!

M

WSH

Prob need to compare today's fully loaded prices vs fully loaded prices of past, given different options configs of present....esp the new $15Kish PerfPkges on models like SL55 and CL63 (PP w/tremendous increm profit for MB but perhaps worth $1 on trade-in...or even negative value given the more expensive-to-maintain/repair compound brakes).....

Consider that loaded '07 S65 is some $15K more than loaded '06 S65....despite '06 65 being very difficult to sell even in small vols and offering $50K instant deprec.....so S63 being $15K more than S55 wouldn't surprise me....it's a niche car, w/lim appeal so MB knows sales vols will be small...

My sense from talking to MB guys is that they realize that deprec of 55/65 has become so onerous as to make sticker prices only one superficial element in the value equation for the customer....perhaps they are trying to scale back units of big AMGs, but increase avg selling price (and thereby maintain profits on smaller vols), while trying to increase resale values and perhaps offering attractive 2yr leases to create fixed deprec costs....and "lock-in" more frequent repeat buyers....

Have noticed that revised '07 SL sales are down some ?30% vs last yr, despite freshened model, summer convertible buying season and lack of much direct competition....perhaps a combination of tepid demand and MB attempts to prop up resale values by limiting produc...and despite offering decent 2yr leases.....????

medici78

I'm sure the S63 will fit in exactly where the S600 is. Make no mistake, the S63 will be a lower model than the S600 and would be catering to a different buyer.
If the pricing slots in where the S55 was, roughly $110-120k, I would seriously consider it to replace my E55. However, if they go any higher I will look elsewhere.
My main concern is that the AMG 63 engine might not measure up to par to move such a heavy vehicle due to its lower torque and revvier nature vs. the kompressor motor that was previously used. I'm holding out the hope they might still keep the old Kompressor motor with upgrades, like in the 2007 SL55. Its gonna need plenty of torque to move the heavy beast. However, I seriously doubt it.

deedee

Since CL63 is already there. There wouldn't be much doubt about whether

there will be S63 or not. I think the answer is crystal clear. It's just a matter

of when and how much.

whoover

S63: 465 foot-pounds vs.
S600: 612 foot-pounds vs.
W220 S55: 516 foot-pounds (horsepower comparable for all three).

How can MB raise the price of the S63 $25k over the S55 as people here have suggested? This will be a very hard car to sell to aficionados until the twin-turbo arrives.

Take what the dealer says with a grain of salt. He wants to sell you something he has today, not next year.

2fast4u

Dear German1, till now ther's no news from S63 in Paris Show.

So I Keep my ideas that there will not a S63 in next future, maybe we will see at Geneve Show ....
Maybe ....

Germancar1

Well the CL63 has been announced already so the S63 will follow, no way AMG isn't going to put their new V8 in the new S.

M

2fast4u

Form me there will be not a S63.
We have a CL63 cause we have not a CL65 !

Germancar1

What you wanna put on that?

There is no way AMG isn't going to put their new V8 in the S-Class. The CL65 is the range topper and they'll bring it along shortly.

M

2fast4u

I only want to note that for S-class MB introduce first the S65 and then S63(when S63 will be out we don't know but not at Paris Show as You mentioned).
For CL-class MB introduce first CL63 (almost immediately if you consider that CL start sells in these days) and not yet CL65 (and ther's any news about a CL65).
This is my idea, sorry if, till now, my idea it's different then your.

rdk

Autoweek is reporting on their website that the S63 will appear with the CL63 in Paris.

2fast4u

We will see.
Believe me S63 could be perfect for me (i'm considering to order S65 after my test in Affalterbach last june) so I could save a lot of money (but only if You can fit ceramic breakes).
But I've not found nothing about S63 on the web.
Bye

Germancar1

Bingo, just like I said originally, the S63 has arrived!!!



The S-Class is now also represented by the S 63 AMG and equipped with the 386 kW/525 hp high-tech engine. Both AMG models accelerate from zero to 100 km/h in 4.6 seconds, and the maximum speed is electronically limited to 250 km/h.


http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm...3-amg-revealed

M

ClayJ

Official Press Release says release is "January 2007" -- not sure if that is for US-Spec, or Row....

Germancar1

I heard Jan 07' for the U.S. and for the CL63 March 07'.

M

deedee

hehe...... So seems you are totally wrong......

whoover

("My wildass guess was better than your wildass guess" seems a little silly here, no?)

I missed the reference to ceramic brakes earlier. "Composite rotors" on the S65 refer to steel disks and aluminum hubs. This is not the same as when Porsche says "composite rotors," which are a ceramic composite material.

This is fine with me. The S65 rotors are going to be expensive enough when they need replacing, but ceramics are crazy.

Martin