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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 11:32 PM
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Man I find red blinkers to be such a pain in the ***. Its alot harder to indicate when a vehicle is turning with red brake lights, and now red blinkers. Why? Anyone else find it a safty issue.
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Old Nov 11, 2007 | 12:13 PM
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Old Nov 11, 2007 | 12:22 PM
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Are red blinkers anything new?? I can't see the problem that you are having.
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Old Nov 11, 2007 | 02:06 PM
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i think his beef is not that its new or not, its that it is hard to tell if people are turning or breaking, the blinkers match the brakes, bam



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Old Nov 11, 2007 | 10:53 PM
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Man I find red blinkers to be such a pain in the ***. Its alot harder to indicate when a vehicle is turning with red brake lights, and now red blinkers. Why? Anyone else find it a safty issue.
Only on American cars like ford and GM where they cut corners and use only 1 bulb for the entire tail lamp. See it plenty of times when someone in a ford using the turn signal and brakes at the same time, you'll have no idea what they are doing. Are they trying to turn or brake?

Now imagine if that light bulb fails....you lose the entire tail lamp function.

Honda and Nissan are also following the dangerous trend by using all red tail lamps but at least they are smart enough to use individual bulbs for each indicator light.
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Old Nov 11, 2007 | 11:00 PM
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Are red blinkers anything new?? I can't see the problem that you are having.
Next time you are behind a ford, and I mean ANY ford vehicle. Pay attention to it when they use the turn signal especially while braking, it's almost impossible to see it in day light.
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Old Nov 12, 2007 | 12:12 AM
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i think his beef is not that its new or not, its that it is hard to tell if people are turning or breaking, the blinkers match the brakes, bam



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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 10:26 PM
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Look at some '08 BMWs ... red rear turn signals.

Audi has been doing this on their USA models for years.
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 11:42 AM
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my freind has a set of white blinkers on his white 3 series, i was gonna end up going with a set just like it, when u see him turn, u KNOW he's turnin with it being white, it just grabs ur attention i guess.




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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 03:01 PM
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does it take a long time to blink? if it' blinking, it' a turn signal. if it just lid up and stay there, then it' brake!
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 04:22 PM
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speaking of blinkers, were do i find some white ones for our cars?



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Old Nov 19, 2007 | 04:10 AM
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Dodge caravans are notorious for these. I can't remember how many times i've almost hit one trying to cut into my lane.

Try passing one of these when they're signaling to enter your lane.. first you'll think they're braking to let you pass - but - no, it's a trick! the other drivers' actually trying to get into your lane!
And coupled with the crappy rear visibility that these vans have, they won't see you coming down their side either!
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Old Dec 5, 2007 | 07:41 PM
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Look at some '08 BMWs ... red rear turn signals.

Audi has been doing this on their USA models for years.
If I am not wrong I think the W204 MB's are red blinker equipped and that made me fume the first time I saw it. That was a big thing for MB 10 years ago and now its just nothing. Same with the ribbed rear tail lights. That used to be a big safety item for them but once again they have forgotten about what they claimed was so important just years ago.

Red blinkers are junk. I love seeing a corvette driver who has actually correctly installed a set of European tail lights. Its so much better.

If I purchase a 3 series or a W204 I will order Euro lights for the back the first day I drive the car.
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 06:06 PM
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Jesus, guys, they are just turn signals!
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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 08:27 PM
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Hate to break it to you guys but the new SLR Convertible uses red blinkers.
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 11:00 AM
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Jesus, guys, they are just turn signals!

My thoughts exactly! BTW, what are blinkers?
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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CynCarvin32
If I am not wrong I think the W204 MB's are red blinker equipped and that made me fume the first time I saw it. That was a big thing for MB 10 years ago and now its just nothing. Same with the ribbed rear tail lights. That used to be a big safety item for them but once again they have forgotten about what they claimed was so important just years ago.

Red blinkers are junk. I love seeing a corvette driver who has actually correctly installed a set of European tail lights. Its so much better.

If I purchase a 3 series or a W204 I will order Euro lights for the back the first day I drive the car.
Yeah, Honey's new C300 has red turn signals. But hers are LED's. They are super bright and really grab your attention. If they weren't LED's then they would suck.
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Old Dec 30, 2007 | 12:34 PM
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Dang! Are you guys blind or like to be too close? Come work were I'm at- we have red blinky lights, white, amber, and green, at least the blue ones are constant on....

j/k so don't get mad
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Originally Posted by nye500
Man I find red blinkers to be such a pain in the ***. Its alot harder to indicate when a vehicle is turning with red brake lights, and now red blinkers. Why? Anyone else find it a safty issue.
The cops in LA used to give tickets if you had red blinkers, now cars come form the factory with red blinkers....

Reason cops would give out tickets for the red blinkers was because it was police like, and people could mistake it for an emergency vehicle...
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Old Jan 11, 2008 | 12:32 PM
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What mercedes tailights aren't ribbed? In the case of the new C, ribbing is not an issue because of the air slits in the tail lamps which clear any debris off the lense....anything else?

Originally Posted by CynCarvin32
If I am not wrong I think the W204 MB's are red blinker equipped and that made me fume the first time I saw it. That was a big thing for MB 10 years ago and now its just nothing. Same with the ribbed rear tail lights. That used to be a big safety item for them but once again they have forgotten about what they claimed was so important just years ago.

Red blinkers are junk. I love seeing a corvette driver who has actually correctly installed a set of European tail lights. Its so much better.

If I purchase a 3 series or a W204 I will order Euro lights for the back the first day I drive the car.
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This topic blows!
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Old Jan 13, 2008 | 10:19 PM
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Yeah the whole safety forum blows. Is it cause are cars are safe?
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Old Feb 2, 2008 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Stiggs
Yeah, Honey's new C300 has red turn signals. But hers are LED's. They are super bright and really grab your attention. If they weren't LED's then they would suck.
Yes, and if you check EPC you'll note that if something burns out you'll be replacing the entire taillight, lens and all.

EPC shows USA/Canada special taillights and then lights for rest of world. Be curious whether latter have orange turn sigs.
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What mercedes tailights aren't ribbed? In the case of the new C, ribbing is not an issue because of the air slits in the tail lamps which clear any debris off the lense....anything else?
The slots are for vehicle aerodynamics, i.e. relieving pressure from under the car. Whether they also help clean the lens is secondary.
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Here's some information from Daniel Stern, North America's premier auto lighting expert:

Amber rear turn signals are an utterly basic component of a proper automotive lighting system, it's shameful to treat safety devices as stylistic toys, but having just returned the other day from a large automotive lighting technology congress in France, I can say you haven't got the whole story. I spoke with the BMW exterior lighting chief, and he told me they wanted to use the same type of amber rear signal on their US-market E90 3er as they use everywhere else in the world, but the US DOT objected. This type of "hidden" amber rear signal uses a clear bulb with a green plastic balloon over it, all behind a rose-red (dark pink) lens. The result is a lamp that looks red when off, but shines amber when on. It's subtractive color mixing. The technique has been in use for about 13 years or so -- no problem, such signals work fine and don't notably degrade with age or use. But, the DOT said the green plastic for the balloon was not on the list of approved plastic materials for use in car lights, and they kept saying "no!" or simply stalling and not answering at all regardless of how much test data BMW submitted. Finally DOT said "OK", but by then it was too late; in order to meet production schedules, BMW had to make an alternate choice for the US market. They could've gone to a plain amber lens, or a clear lens with amber bulb, but for whatever reason (probably related to tooling cost), the red lens was their emergency "Plan B". This is the same reason why the first-year Audi A8 had these green-ballon/pink-lens/amber-light rear turn signals, but subsequent years had red lenses: DOT *****ed about the green balloons being made out of an unapproved plastic.

The situation is different with Audi: On some of their present car designs, they couldn't have an amber rear turn signal without the red brake/tail lamps being too small to comply with US surface area requirements, so the only choices were to redesign the rear lamps entirely (larger - not approved by the stylists) or have a red rear turn signal for the North American market. This is the same reason why older BMW 5er wagons had red rear turn signals. Other Audi models have plenty of rear lamp area to have an amber turn signal, but as Audi's chief of exterior lighting explained, "if some of your vehicles have red and some have amber, this does not look like a coherent line of vehicles. I don't like red rear signals, but they're just as legal as amber in North America."
Rest is here: http://www.mbz.org/articles/lighting/parking/

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