Red Blinkers
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Red Blinkers
Man I find red blinkers to be such a pain in the ***. Its alot harder to indicate when a vehicle is turning with red brake lights, and now red blinkers. Why? Anyone else find it a safty issue.
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i think his beef is not that its new or not, its that it is hard to tell if people are turning or breaking, the blinkers match the brakes, bam
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Now imagine if that light bulb fails....you lose the entire tail lamp function.
Honda and Nissan are also following the dangerous trend by using all red tail lamps but at least they are smart enough to use individual bulbs for each indicator light.
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my freind has a set of white blinkers on his white 3 series, i was gonna end up going with a set just like it, when u see him turn, u KNOW he's turnin with it being white, it just grabs ur attention i guess.
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does it take a long time to blink? if it' blinking, it' a turn signal. if it just lid up and stay there, then it' brake!
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Dodge caravans are notorious for these. I can't remember how many times i've almost hit one trying to cut into my lane.
Try passing one of these when they're signaling to enter your lane.. first you'll think they're braking to let you pass - but - no, it's a trick! the other drivers' actually trying to get into your lane!
And coupled with the crappy rear visibility that these vans have, they won't see you coming down their side either!
Try passing one of these when they're signaling to enter your lane.. first you'll think they're braking to let you pass - but - no, it's a trick! the other drivers' actually trying to get into your lane!
And coupled with the crappy rear visibility that these vans have, they won't see you coming down their side either!
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Red blinkers are junk. I love seeing a corvette driver who has actually correctly installed a set of European tail lights. Its so much better.
If I purchase a 3 series or a W204 I will order Euro lights for the back the first day I drive the car.
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If I am not wrong I think the W204 MB's are red blinker equipped and that made me fume the first time I saw it. That was a big thing for MB 10 years ago and now its just nothing. Same with the ribbed rear tail lights. That used to be a big safety item for them but once again they have forgotten about what they claimed was so important just years ago.
Red blinkers are junk. I love seeing a corvette driver who has actually correctly installed a set of European tail lights. Its so much better.
If I purchase a 3 series or a W204 I will order Euro lights for the back the first day I drive the car.
Red blinkers are junk. I love seeing a corvette driver who has actually correctly installed a set of European tail lights. Its so much better.
If I purchase a 3 series or a W204 I will order Euro lights for the back the first day I drive the car.
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Dang! Are you guys blind or like to be too close? Come work were I'm at- we have red blinky lights, white, amber, and green, at least the blue ones are constant on....
j/k so don't get mad
j/k so don't get mad
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Reason cops would give out tickets for the red blinkers was because it was police like, and people could mistake it for an emergency vehicle...
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What mercedes tailights aren't ribbed? In the case of the new C, ribbing is not an issue because of the air slits in the tail lamps which clear any debris off the lense....anything else?
If I am not wrong I think the W204 MB's are red blinker equipped and that made me fume the first time I saw it. That was a big thing for MB 10 years ago and now its just nothing. Same with the ribbed rear tail lights. That used to be a big safety item for them but once again they have forgotten about what they claimed was so important just years ago.
Red blinkers are junk. I love seeing a corvette driver who has actually correctly installed a set of European tail lights. Its so much better.
If I purchase a 3 series or a W204 I will order Euro lights for the back the first day I drive the car.
Red blinkers are junk. I love seeing a corvette driver who has actually correctly installed a set of European tail lights. Its so much better.
If I purchase a 3 series or a W204 I will order Euro lights for the back the first day I drive the car.
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EPC shows USA/Canada special taillights and then lights for rest of world. Be curious whether latter have orange turn sigs.
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The slots are for vehicle aerodynamics, i.e. relieving pressure from under the car. Whether they also help clean the lens is secondary.
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Here's some information from Daniel Stern, North America's premier auto lighting expert:
Rest is here: http://www.mbz.org/articles/lighting/parking/
Also: http://www.danielsternlighting.com
Amber rear turn signals are an utterly basic component of a proper automotive lighting system, it's shameful to treat safety devices as stylistic toys, but having just returned the other day from a large automotive lighting technology congress in France, I can say you haven't got the whole story. I spoke with the BMW exterior lighting chief, and he told me they wanted to use the same type of amber rear signal on their US-market E90 3er as they use everywhere else in the world, but the US DOT objected. This type of "hidden" amber rear signal uses a clear bulb with a green plastic balloon over it, all behind a rose-red (dark pink) lens. The result is a lamp that looks red when off, but shines amber when on. It's subtractive color mixing. The technique has been in use for about 13 years or so -- no problem, such signals work fine and don't notably degrade with age or use. But, the DOT said the green plastic for the balloon was not on the list of approved plastic materials for use in car lights, and they kept saying "no!" or simply stalling and not answering at all regardless of how much test data BMW submitted. Finally DOT said "OK", but by then it was too late; in order to meet production schedules, BMW had to make an alternate choice for the US market. They could've gone to a plain amber lens, or a clear lens with amber bulb, but for whatever reason (probably related to tooling cost), the red lens was their emergency "Plan B". This is the same reason why the first-year Audi A8 had these green-ballon/pink-lens/amber-light rear turn signals, but subsequent years had red lenses: DOT *****ed about the green balloons being made out of an unapproved plastic.
The situation is different with Audi: On some of their present car designs, they couldn't have an amber rear turn signal without the red brake/tail lamps being too small to comply with US surface area requirements, so the only choices were to redesign the rear lamps entirely (larger - not approved by the stylists) or have a red rear turn signal for the North American market. This is the same reason why older BMW 5er wagons had red rear turn signals. Other Audi models have plenty of rear lamp area to have an amber turn signal, but as Audi's chief of exterior lighting explained, "if some of your vehicles have red and some have amber, this does not look like a coherent line of vehicles. I don't like red rear signals, but they're just as legal as amber in North America."
The situation is different with Audi: On some of their present car designs, they couldn't have an amber rear turn signal without the red brake/tail lamps being too small to comply with US surface area requirements, so the only choices were to redesign the rear lamps entirely (larger - not approved by the stylists) or have a red rear turn signal for the North American market. This is the same reason why older BMW 5er wagons had red rear turn signals. Other Audi models have plenty of rear lamp area to have an amber turn signal, but as Audi's chief of exterior lighting explained, "if some of your vehicles have red and some have amber, this does not look like a coherent line of vehicles. I don't like red rear signals, but they're just as legal as amber in North America."
Also: http://www.danielsternlighting.com