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Old Apr 27, 2016 | 11:36 AM
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This never happened with any previous platform so why would it happen now?
Why do you think that hasn't happened before?
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Old Apr 27, 2016 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedriven1
Eventually someone- maybe MKB/Renntech or Brabus- will grease the right palm at Bosch (who also happens to sell tuning tools, LOL!) and they'll get in. The information will spread quickly from there.

Even with that, though, there will be limitations hardwired into the firmware, and it won't be as good as a standalone that offers full control and allows the programmer to determine what those limits should and will be. So why take that intermediate step at all?
Standalones are cool and all, but I just feel like on cars this new, it's a big PITA to get it perfect. If you look at most of the newer cars that have advanced really well in tuning, most people are on factory ECU which have been cracked to allow all the goodies. The GT-R, for example, has flex fuel, rolling anti-lag, launch control adjustments, etc. No need to go standalone and that was the ECU that everyone was initially saying was "impossible to crack".
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Old Apr 27, 2016 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by efiftyfizzle
The GT-R, for example, has flex fuel, rolling anti-lag, launch control adjustments, etc. No need to go standalone and that was the ECU that everyone was initially saying was "impossible to crack".
Nah. The fast guys- AMS, Switzer, T1, Ekanoo ... all on standalones. That's the only way forward.
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Old Apr 27, 2016 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedriven1
Why do you think that hasn't happened before?
Because the 13 year old W211 platform still doesn't have "real" tuning options...
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Old Apr 27, 2016 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
Because the 13 year old W211 platform still doesn't have "real" tuning options...
Hmmm. I could see that logic. What I'll say is this: when the NA 63 cars came out, the thinking at RT (I was working there) and MKB (we were close with them) was that NA was the way everything was going and the 55K cars were dead. Development almost totally stopped, even with the SLR.
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Old Apr 27, 2016 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedriven1
Nah. The fast guys- AMS, Switzer, T1, Ekanoo ... all on standalones. That's the only way forward.
Right, the top of the top. Those are the 2000+ horsepower cars (top 1%). We're not anywhere close to that... We're having trouble using the power we have already in the car.

The everyday daily driven street cars typically stay on factory ecu. I guess we will wait to see what you guys come up with.
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Old Apr 27, 2016 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by efiftyfizzle
Right, the top of the top. Those are the 2000+ horsepower cars (top 1%). We're not anywhere close to that... We're having trouble using the power we have already in the car.

The everyday daily driven street cars typically stay on factory ecu. I guess we will wait to see what you guys come up with.
You guys need to think bigger ...


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Old Jun 29, 2016 | 01:45 AM
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You guys need to think bigger ...



So what about doing bigger turbos and tranny now and do the stand alone ECU over Christmas?
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Old Jun 29, 2016 | 08:28 AM
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How much can these transmissions take that by lessening the restrictions MB put on you wouldn't basically be accelerating the death of your transmission? I'm just curious. It sucks having these limits on, but, assuming you don't go built transmission, how much can the stocker take before grenading without these limitations?


Would you offer the standalone for the M278 driven vehicles as well?
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Old Jun 29, 2016 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by sleeperZ96BT
How much can these transmissions take that by lessening the restrictions MB put on you wouldn't basically be accelerating the death of your transmission? I'm just curious. It sucks having these limits on, but, assuming you don't go built transmission, how much can the stocker take before grenading without these limitations?


Would you offer the standalone for the M278 driven vehicles as well?
From what I've see on other platforms, reducing or eliminating torque limitations does not exactly translate to grenading transmissions. Slipping clutches will usually occur first. W211 E55s have had limiters raised or eliminated for years and we do not hear of that many blown transmissions with the high powered 9 and 10 second cars out there

As for transmissions grenading, it definitely can happen, even with the stock limiters in place.
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Old Jun 29, 2016 | 08:52 AM
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So how much can these handle before you run into any issues? Slipping or otherwise?
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Old Jun 29, 2016 | 09:03 AM
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So how much can these handle before you run into any issues? Slipping or otherwise?
Unknown. But the European guys have found the limits with full on VIP builds.
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Old Jun 29, 2016 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bryan Y
So what about doing bigger turbos and tranny now and do the stand alone ECU over Christmas?
We can do that.
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Old Jun 29, 2016 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sleeperZ96BT
How much can these transmissions take that by lessening the restrictions MB put on you wouldn't basically be accelerating the death of your transmission? I'm just curious. It sucks having these limits on, but, assuming you don't go built transmission, how much can the stocker take before grenading without these limitations?


Would you offer the standalone for the M278 driven vehicles as well?
I wouldn't even take on anything beyond the billet turbo build without building up the trans. Going the standalone route (easily $10K plus) without doing the trans. doesn't make any sense, either.
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Old Oct 16, 2018 | 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedriven1
We've done both- the billet wheel upgrades (which are these, you get back a fully rebuilt and rebalanced turbo) and the GT28 swap (again, custom housings) but without the ability to control the TCU, there is no real-world gain in the GT28s. Heck of a dyno queen, though!

As for the standalone ECU/TCU, my feeling is that 6 months is about right. We'll have a solution this winter, at any rate. If you were a local guy and could live as a beta tester for a few months, it might accelerate that timeline- but, as you say, you have your toy. This is more of a daily.

So ... you tell me? Want to be on the bleeding edge of E63 go-fast?
well it's been more than 6 months any news on the ECU/TCU standalone?
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Old Oct 16, 2018 | 10:12 AM
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well it's been more than 6 months any news on the ECU/TCU standalone?
Last I heard, they are out of business and have been so for a long time.
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Old Oct 17, 2018 | 12:29 PM
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Last I heard, they are out of business and have been so for a long time.
so who do we have to talk to to get our TCU issues resolve?
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so who do we have to talk to to get our TCU issues resolve?
renntech at the moment
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Old Oct 17, 2018 | 08:33 PM
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renntech at the moment
I'm serious we all know there is no real TCU tune from them. (https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/700961-anyone-renntech-tcu-tune.html). We need to find someone who can really break the encryption and give us a full performance TCU tune with proof please. why is there no solution it's been long enough and why there is not a bunch of people asking for this?
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I'm serious we all know there is no real TCU tune from them. (https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/700961-anyone-renntech-tcu-tune.html). We need to find someone who can really break the encryption and give us a full performance TCU tune with proof please. why is there no solution it's been long enough and why there is not a bunch of people asking for this?
because very few new e63's are sold relative to c63's and more podantic non Amg models and even fewer people want to mod and even fewer people yet want to mod beyond a tune ... that's why bro
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Old Oct 17, 2018 | 09:19 PM
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because very few new e63's are sold relative to c63's and more podantic non Amg models and even fewer people want to mod and even fewer people yet want to mod beyond a tune ... that's why bro
I guess you're right, we need more voices we need more people to ask for a Performance TCU tune to get the tuners interested. the e63 with this issues is been out since 2012 that I know so hopefully more people show interest.
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I guess you're right, we need more voices we need more people to ask for a Performance TCU tune to get the tuners interested. the e63 with this issues is been out since 2012 that I know so hopefully more people show interest.
you can send your tcu to GAD.... no doubt they rule the show here
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you can send your tcu to GAD.... no doubt they rule the show here
lol, how would I do that the TCU processor is inside the transmission in between layers of silicon. I w ou uld have to send the Transmission to them and as far as I know even GAD doesn't have a Performance TCU tune yet.
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lol, how would I do that the TCU processor is inside the transmission in between layers of silicon. I w ou uld have to send the Transmission to them and as far as I know even GAD doesn't have a Performance TCU tune yet.
if money is no object then you send them your transmission

why not just get a used 'vette or 'stang and make it your 1/4 mile wet dream? It'll cost you like $20,000; you'll lose less sleep

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Old Oct 17, 2018 | 09:52 PM
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if money is no object then you send them your transmission

why not just get a used 'vette or 'stang and make it your 1/4 mile wet dream? It'll cost you like $20,000
I'm not rich I'm just a guy with a dream. Besides I like this car, I just want to see what this beast can do with a good TCU tune that's it.
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