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the AWD e63 has more power, and is about the same weight as the cls and it gets smoked.
I thought the AWD was only 5% less power from after 120mph vs RWD. How can it be this much slower from a roll especially with an extra 20hp?? Also in the 1/4 mile there's pretty much no difference in trap speeds between AWD and RWD e63 so I really don't understand how the difference can be this big eapeically right from the start of the race well before they reach 120mph.
I still think that's pretty significant considering the jump the awd got.
not nearly as much as the first video
a 5% disadvantage in power through drivetrain loss should not look like that, especially when the AWD has an extra 20hp and weighs the same as the RWD car it's racing.
sometimes race videos dont make sense... case in point a tuned 997TT (these run ~10.6 @ 130)... gets smoked by tuned awd e63 yet we cant manage to run 10.6 on just tune
the AWD e63 has more power, and is about the same weight as the cls and it gets smoked.
I thought the AWD was only 5% less power from after 120mph vs RWD. How can it be this much slower from a roll especially with an extra 20hp?? Also in the 1/4 mile there's pretty much no difference in trap speeds between AWD and RWD e63 so I really don't understand how the difference can be this big eapeically right from the start of the race well before they reach 120mph.
funny thing about that video is they say both cars are tuned, but in this video same e63 and they say its stock (and almost get beat by a tuned TTrs.. .they run ~high 11's to low 12 in the 1/4 and trap low 120s).... so kinda seems like that CLS video was tuned CLS vs stock e63
sometimes race videos dont make sense... case in point a tuned 997TT (these run ~10.6 @ 130)... gets smoked by tuned awd e63 yet we cant manage to run 10.6 on just tune
funny thing about that video is they say both cars are tuned, but in this video same e63 and they say its stock (and almost get beat by a tuned TTrs.. .they run ~high 11's to low 12 in the 1/4 and trap low 120s).... so kinda seems like that CLS video was tuned CLS vs stock e63
lol not only that but it's a stock e63 NON S to make things even worse.
So basically the video of the e63 and cls is a non S AWD e63 vs TUNED RWD cls63?
btw the video of the cls where it says tuned was 3 weeks BEFORE the video with the Audi where it says it was stock. So they had it tuned and then removed it? I don't believe it.
i mean to post a video like that is just ridiculous. That's like trying to show a Ferrari is faster than a Honda Civic.
Why would these guys do that? I always trusted their videos were valid.
That video states 550HP for the Porsche which is near stock
but still, if the porche traps 130+ and tuned e63s AWD is only 126-129 it should of either got walked or at best only been close but still behind the porsche, yet somehow it killed the porsche. It does say something about how races don't make sense or these videos are not accurate in the description.
lol not only that but it's a stock e63 NON S to make things even worse.
So basically the video of the e63 and cls is a non S AWD e63 vs TUNED RWD cls63?
btw the video of the cls where it says tuned was 3 weeks BEFORE the video with the Audi where it says it was stock. So they had it tuned and then removed it? I don't believe it.
i mean to post a video like that is just ridiculous. That's like trying to show a Ferrari is faster than a Honda Civic.
Why would these guys do that? I always trusted their videos were valid.
have you ever seen Gustav's videos from m5board.com ? Their are a lot of misleading videos on the internet
Like bone stock E60 M5s beating K4 E55s. I can't believe I actually miss proving him wrong.
Like it or not the man owns a koenigsegg now
Moral lesson, even if u lie in life and what you do...you can still get rich doing it
To AMG 63
yes, never take any video on the net as actual representation of the outcome. many variables. Only when you have several examples all showing the same results can you come to a conclusion...good luck
...go get a ride in an AWD 63 S 2015 with tune and downpipe from down low. If you are not happy( they are violent ), nothing will please you other then a P911 Turbo S 2017 .
Moral lesson, even if u lie in life and what you do...you can still get rich doing it
To AMG 63
yes, never take any video on the net as actual representation of the outcome. many variables. Only when you have several examples all showing the same results can you come to a conclusion...good luck
...go get a ride in an AWD 63 S 2015 with tune and downpipe from down low. If you are not happy( they are violent ), nothing will please you other then a P911 Turbo S 2017 .
I got a ride in a tune only AWD 14 63 S and from down low, theres no question it is crazy fast. Hard to even understand how a car that heavy takes off like that, it really makes no sense.
This video just made it seem like up top is its weak point. I never got a chance to get on the highway with the tuned 14 S AMG so don't know about that but I'm sure it still pulls real hard as this video above has no been proven to be complete BS. If that description was real/accurate the race should of been neck to neck...
Gaspam do do you know how much more drivetrain loss our AWD have vs the RWD variants?
i was told 5% but don't know if it's accurate.
i dont know exact number but way to find out is to find a engine dyno graph from awd and compare it to whp dyno, their's your awd driveline loss... then do same thing for rwd
although you can also just look at dynos and get a guestimate... but i dont see much difference between rwd vs awd whp numbers so that would indicate driveline loss is not that big on our 4matic system... keep in mind its doesnt have a center diff like a quattro system
i dont know exact number but way to find out is to find a engine dyno graph from awd and compare it to whp dyno, their's your awd driveline loss... then do same thing for rwd
although you can also just look at dynos and get a guestimate... but i dont see much difference between rwd vs awd whp numbers so that would indicate driveline loss is not that big on our 4matic system... keep in mind its doesnt have a center diff like a quattro system
thank you. I was just reading a quote from
another thread here that discusssed some of the factors that might affect it, one of them being the rolling resistance
"one of the problems with all-wheel drive and the staggered setup is a difference in rolling circumference which will add to the drivetrain loss by introducing a second element of drag where all four wheels want to turn at the same speed but are forced to turn at different speeds because of different rolling circumference. I don't know how much this adds to the drag whether it's negligible or significant. You can put identical wheels up front and behind or you can use pilot supersports 295 30 19 rear and 255 35 19 front. This is the only combination I'm aware of that has identical rolling circumference for front and rear. 295 will not fit on the factory 9.5" wide rear wheels, Michelin recommend minimum 10" width wheel"
any idea if this really adds any drivetrain loss
or not? It's the first time I heard this as a reason why it would lose some power up top.
im not sure that reason pertains to 4matics since we dont have the torsen diff like quattros, ours are open diffs and traction control is controlled by Electronic Traction System... one of the reason our 4matics have a much higher tolerance between front and rear rolling radius on tires than quattro system.. (esp is a reason too).
I stumbled across this thread by accident. As the black CLS shown in the video was my former car, I'd like to share some details: it was a 2011 model with Performance Package, which had been tuned (ECU only) by German company Seidt Performance (http://www.seidt-performance.de). The output as advertised by Seidt back then was 635 hp, but based on various races my impression was that the actual performance was a bit better (however, I never dyno'd the car). The video therefore states that the CLS makes around 650 hp. Top speed of the car (as per GPS) was around 330 kph.
According to its owner, the other car shown in the video (silver E63 S 4 MATIC) also had a ECU-only tune by Seidt Performance, albeit a newer / optimized version with around 670 hp.
Funnily enough, my current car is a 2013 E63 4MATIC which has also been tuned (ECU by Seidt and flap exhaust system by HMS). Although it was dyno'd at 714 hp, my gut feeling is that it is actually a bit slower than the CLS from rolling starts and at the top end. I’m not sure about the weight difference between the CLS and the E (both pretty much fully loaded), but would assume that the E is a bit heavier due to the 4MATIC system.
In case you are interested, there are a few more race videos of the CLS below:
So the owner of the cls63 claims that the e63 is a bit slower up top. This is most likely because he went from a RWD cls to an AWD e63 with a little higher drivetrain loss. The weight is not heavier on the E63 they are actually very close in weight is say it's a wash.
Also, look at the original video posted with his race against the tuned e63. It is far from the e63 only being a "bit" slower. It literally got raped by that cls63 as if the E was standing still. It really looks like a race between a tuned m157 vs a stock m157.
Can you ask the owner why there's such a great difference in speed there?
Note: the video posted with the race of that same e63 against the Audi TT was posted 3 weeks after the race with the cls and in that video that silver e63 says it was stock. Why would they tune it and then remove the tune a week later?
tell the owner none of this makes any sense.
to top it off, the E even had a better version on that seidt company tune which gave it an extra 20hp over the cls yet it still got walked like it was standing still?
The race has something not adding up as it's physically impossible for it to end up like it did if they were that close in power to weight.
Will also add, the video above with the RWD e63 it walks the cls no problem, but the 4matic should not slow down the same car by bus lengths like in the original video. At most it should be about a car length slower with same power. Even 2-3 let's say, but silver e63 is like bus lengths behind in speed vs the RWD black one here.
12-03-2016, 09:45 PM
), nothing will please you other then a P911 Turbo S 2017 
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