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Old Feb 4, 2017 | 10:58 PM
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bi-xenon projector retrofit...

A week ago, i didn't knw crap about headlights lol now with help of few members here, I'm getting some knowledge but still have a few questions...

I have stock halogen bulbs and projectors. I will be buying Bi-Xenon E55 projectors and D2S Hid Xenon Philips bulbs.

Does W211 has a ballast already installed? IDK where it is located, i believe it has, can i use the same ballast or would i need to buy new ballasts, as some recommended getting HELLA ballasts. What is the reason behind getting HELLA ballasts and not using the OEM ballast or just getting some wires with ballasts that are sold online for like $20-50 a pair. HELLA ballast is $50 each.

My head is just stuck on the ballasts part. Someone clear it out for me pls. Thank you.
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Old Feb 4, 2017 | 11:41 PM
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There are no stock ballasts if you don't have OEM HID lights.

I used a DDM HID kit for mine which came with halogen bulbs in projectors. Mine has a separate high beam so this worked out perfect. The cut off is very clean and the light output is considerably better. Total cost was about $90 and install took about 20-30 minutes.
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Old Feb 4, 2017 | 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rtbrjason
There are no stock ballasts if you don't have OEM HID lights.

I used a DDM HID kit for mine which came with halogen bulbs in projectors. Mine has a separate high beam so this worked out perfect. The cut off is very clean and the light output is considerably better. Total cost was about $90 and install took about 20-30 minutes.

What bulbs are you using, are you using the Halogen bulbs the kit came with? Can you post a pic? And are you with the stock projector of ur car?
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Old Feb 6, 2017 | 05:59 AM
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I meant my vehicle had the halogens with projector lenses stock. I installed the DDM kit with ballasts and HID bulbs for canbus vehicles in place of the OEM halogen bulbs in the stock projectors.
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Old Feb 6, 2017 | 01:40 PM
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Do you have pics of the results from your stock halogen projectors with HID bulbs? Would love to see the cutoff on a wall. Thanks
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Old Feb 7, 2017 | 07:04 AM
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I meant my vehicle had the halogens with projector lenses stock. I installed the DDM kit with ballasts and HID bulbs for canbus vehicles in place of the OEM halogen bulbs in the stock projectors.
Didn't the starting of 07 year they started putting bi xenon projectors? Or am i wrong. 🤔

And can you post a picture or two of your light output. Would love to see your results. On wall n some throw distance on the road pls. Thanks.
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Old Feb 9, 2017 | 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by rtbrjason



using HID bulbs in halogen projectors, it doesn't throw glare? I've been reading lot of forums and seen couple videos saying it's not safe to use hid in halogen projectors plus the throw distance on the road is less.

I think I will just go ahead and buy the E55 bi-xenon projectors and HID bulbs with a kit, D2S bulbs tho.

And using HIDs in halogen projector is illegal.

But that looks good tho, you got some nice amount of light popin out
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I would like the naysayers to speak up. This cutoff looks excellent IMHO. Granted, I'm a n00b, so my opinion doesn't have much weight.

My understanding with HIDs in halogen projectors in general is that they are inferior to proper HID projectors in that (a) cutoff is not good and glare can affect oncoming drivers and (b) beam spread is inferior and throw is compromised.

Well, these images show that (a) is not an issue with our halogen projectors. (b) still seems to be an issue, but there's no arguing that this is better than halogen bulbs.

Personally, this seems to be an acceptable Stage I to get better lighting out of our halogen W211s. Next step would be to swap out the projectors for proper HID projectors.

Again, I would love to hear arguments against this for the purpose of an informed discussion. Thanks all.
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Originally Posted by danielgetsthis
I would like the naysayers to speak up. This cutoff looks excellent IMHO. Granted, I'm a n00b, so my opinion doesn't have much weight.

My understanding with HIDs in halogen projectors in general is that they are inferior to proper HID projectors in that (a) cutoff is not good and glare can affect oncoming drivers and (b) beam spread is inferior and throw is compromised.

Well, these images show that (a) is not an issue with our halogen projectors. (b) still seems to be an issue, but there's no arguing that this is better than halogen bulbs.

Personally, this seems to be an acceptable Stage I to get better lighting out of our halogen W211s. Next step would be to swap out the projectors for proper HID projectors.

Again, I would love to hear arguments against this for the purpose of an informed discussion. Thanks all.

Yes, his light output seems good from this side, but can't say how it is for the drivers. I've read on a few sites and sticking hid into halogen projector is simply illegal. It could also burn the reflector since the projector wasn't built for HID.

I found E55 bi-xenon projectors online and currently searching for a good conversion kit with D2S xenon bulbs. It should cost me around $100-150 overall, or 200 if i go for Philip/osram bulbs.
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I can't find the thread but somewhere on this site it was made clear that projectors were the same in both Halogen and HID versions of the w211 so I decided to give it a go. Been about a year now and no one has flashed their brights at me as of yet and the light output is considerably better.

In a previous car (Subaru Legacy Spec B) I installed this same HID kit (minus the canbus) in the halogen projectors and I had people flashing their brights at me all the time. I had to take the bulbs out and bend the metal cutoff shields to keep light from directing up which seemed to work.
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Originally Posted by rtbrjason
I can't find the thread but somewhere on this site it was made clear that projectors were the same in both Halogen and HID versions of the w211 so I decided to give it a go. Been about a year now and no one has flashed their brights at me as of yet and the light output is considerably better.

In a previous car (Subaru Legacy Spec B) I installed this same HID kit (minus the canbus) in the halogen projectors and I had people flashing their brights at me all the time. I had to take the bulbs out and bend the metal cutoff shields to keep light from directing up which seemed to work.

That's interesting but i doubt it. did you do anything else beside just fitting in the bulbs with the conversion kit? like adjust the beam or anything
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Originally Posted by rtbrjason
I can't find the thread but somewhere on this site it was made clear that projectors were the same in both Halogen and HID versions of the w211 so I decided to give it a go. Been about a year now and no one has flashed their brights at me as of yet and the light output is considerably better.

In a previous car (Subaru Legacy Spec B) I installed this same HID kit (minus the canbus) in the halogen projectors and I had people flashing their brights at me all the time. I had to take the bulbs out and bend the metal cutoff shields to keep light from directing up which seemed to work.
Though the projectors look the same, they are not the same via HID/Halogen. There was a thread over at HIDplanet and many people swear they are the same. Several people who were on the design team for the oem hella projectors indicated that though they are VERY similar and look identical to the human eye, they are most definitely not the same and the interior bowl is designed differently from halogen to hid. Which makes perfect sense considering the focal point and filament/capsule are in two different spots on the two different bulbs.

Mind you, our projectors aren't bad but they can be better. I never understood why one would want to use a rebased h7 hid bulb when a d2s is vastly superior.

I get people do different things, but personally in lighting I want it done right. Mind you that the h7 projector is pretty forgiving if you put an HID bulb in it as pictured above. The majority of halogen projectors that it is done to looks awful and has glare /squirrel spotters making it a downgrade.

I'll try and get pictures up on my e55 bi-xenon retrofit I did a couple months back. Looks OEM. In essence I took my stock halogen projectors replaced them with e55 bi-xenons. Wired them up internally, switched the normal bulb parking light housing/reflector with the factory LED one, ran the ballast at the bottom of the default location under the headlight (Note that I used a different ballast than OEM because I don't have active curve, and that would have been a wiring nightmare) so the ballast is smaller than the oem factory hella one. If you were standing outside the car or even picked up the headlight you could not tell what was done, you'd think it was factory. I figured if I am going to do HIDs (as I've done on all our vehicles), spending $80 for e55 hella projectors is nothing, plus I get the bi-xenon feature that one doesn't get by just putting in a h7 bulb in the stock projector. At night when the highs are on, it looks like God is shining light from the front of the car...lol


Roop:
Check this thread out:
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...rojectors.html


It goes in to excellent detail on what needs to be done. For the retrofit.



Attached are my pictures that I did, there are more in the thread above. I will try and get some cut off/night photos this weekend.

-Nigel
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Originally Posted by NewShockerGuy
Though the projectors look the same, they are not the same via HID/Halogen. There was a thread over at HIDplanet and many people swear they are the same. Several people who were on the design team for the oem hella projectors indicated that though they are VERY similar and look identical to the human eye, they are most definitely not the same and the interior bowl is designed differently from halogen to hid. Which makes perfect sense considering the focal point and filament/capsule are in two different spots on the two different bulbs.

Mind you, our projectors aren't bad but they can be better. I never understood why one would want to use a rebased h7 hid bulb when a d2s is vastly superior.

I get people do different things, but personally in lighting I want it done right. Mind you that the h7 projector is pretty forgiving if you put an HID bulb in it as pictured above. The majority of halogen projectors that it is done to looks awful and has glare /squirrel spotters making it a downgrade.

I'll try and get pictures up on my e55 bi-xenon retrofit I did a couple months back. Looks OEM. In essence I took my stock halogen projectors replaced them with e55 bi-xenons. Wired them up internally, switched the normal bulb parking light housing/reflector with the factory LED one, ran the ballast at the bottom of the default location under the headlight (Note that I used a different ballast than OEM because I don't have active curve, and that would have been a wiring nightmare) so the ballast is smaller than the oem factory hella one. If you were standing outside the car or even picked up the headlight you could not tell what was done, you'd think it was factory. I figured if I am going to do HIDs (as I've done on all our vehicles), spending $80 for e55 hella projectors is nothing, plus I get the bi-xenon feature that one doesn't get by just putting in a h7 bulb in the stock projector. At night when the highs are on, it looks like God is shining light from the front of the car...lol


Roop:
Check this thread out:
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...rojectors.html


It goes in to excellent detail on what needs to be done. For the retrofit.



Attached are my pictures that I did, there are more in the thread above. I will try and get some cut off/night photos this weekend.

-Nigel


Yes, I was on the edge of buying the e55 projectors and Philips bulbs, $50, D2S, and the HELLA ballasts, but someone told me since 06 W211 came with halogen lights+projectors, i don't have any type of ballasts at all so I don't have any wire harness to connect to the ballasts.

Now what i thought of doing is getting the e55 projectors, D2S philip bulbs and trying to find a D2S hid conversion kit, still. When i find a decent reputable brand selling one, Ima grab all that stuff and work to fit it in.

Also I need to read around on how to take off the halogen projectors and fit in the e55's. Is that's where you bake the whole headlight? lol of course, after taking every bit of pieces off as much as u can.
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or maybe Kensun hid conversion kit...but is 9006 is D2S type?
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