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Are you guys sure that the headers will fit in the engine bay eo the w202? Our engine bays are very tight, specially on the side passing around the steering box.
OK I've checked the EPC and both the w202 and w208 share the same manifold part # both left and right, so I guess those flashy headers will fit no problem. Have you thought of getting them coated to reduce heat(Zircotec for example)?
A113 140 16 09 (cylinders 1-4)
A113 140 15 09 (cylinders 5-8)
Last edited by DRBC43AMG; 12-12-2016 at 05:08 PM.
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i'll probably just wrap them in special tape. very likely i am going to buy another c43 for the monster engine im planning. those custom long headers will get the coating.
you are right about the chemical treatment, my age is starting to show on me. when i was a young man everyone would wrap their headers in tape. well it turns out that now they are saying that is not the best way to go, now is the chemical treatment.
yes i will look into the cost, the headers are so cheap it wont hurt that much to have them treated.
I went with OBX headers which are made in the USA. Zayed had nothing but positive things to say about them and they're less expensive than the top speed pro headers. I paid $284 USD on Amazon direct from OBX but they are currently unavailable. Here's the link. http://www.obxracingsports.com/products.php?pk=1840
yeah, im really not thrilled about the topspeed headers. they got here today and i would almost not complain, but if you know me then you know i can't keep my mouth shut sometimes....
the outside welds are actually not bad, but the welds on the inside have not been grinded down so airflow just isnt optimized. i'd like to take them to a machine shop and have the inners grinded down but im afraid the welds might be compromised. thoughts?
also the plate that goes against the heads has minor imperfections that i think should be plane out. but the final kicker for me is that there is a indent on one of the tubes where im guessing a vise was holding for the welds. that indent really bothers me because it seems to thin the wall of the header a bit. probably sending them back for replacement or refund.. up to them
yeah, im really not thrilled about the topspeed headers. they got here today and i would almost not complain, but if you know me then you know i can't keep my mouth shut sometimes....
the outside welds are actually not bad, but the welds on the inside have not been grinded down so airflow just isnt optimized. i'd like to take them to a machine shop and have the inners grinded down but im afraid the welds might be compromised. thoughts?
also the plate that goes against the heads has minor imperfections that i think should be plane out. but the final kicker for me is that there is a indent on one of the tubes where im guessing a vise was holding for the welds. that indent really bothers me because it seems to thin the wall of the header a bit. probably sending them back for replacement or refund.. up to them
I can understand your points. I researched the top speed pro headers and the reviews were not at all optimal. Most complained that the headers prematurely cracked within a short period and they wouldn't warranty them. Im very happy with the quality of the OBX headers but I've been advised to use better header gaskets than what they came with.
i put in for a refund, im sure there are probably some gains with these headers but im going to skip it for now.
my rebuilt compressor came in yesterday too. looks decent, it was rebuilt got it from a company called miami compressor.
i have been holding back on ordering all the parts for the rebuild. the shop is also asking where all the parts are. i was going back and forth over scrapping the 208 engine and going with a 209 i found. ive decided to just stick with the 208 as the improvements with the 209 "evo" are really minimal. for instance the 208 and 209 engines share almost every part, you can order the stiffer springs if you want, they cost around $30. the upgraded cams are substantially more money but i saw a set of the upgraded cams for sale asking price was only a few hundred. plus the ecu will probably need a tune because of the different cam profile. 202c43/208clk55/210e55 all share the same cams. finally i am thinking that more power can be had out of the engine with exhaust work. so i am going to recheck my parts list and put in the order. ive also ordered an endoscope with led lighting that plugs into my phone to examine the cylinders without completely pulling the heads off. pretty cool.
98 C43, 15 Alfa 4C LE, 18 Tesla Model 3 DM Perf, 08 Duc S1000, 02 Duc 998, 98 Duc 748, 01 Miata
Did you compare oil pans between the 208 and 209 engine? I had heard that the 209 engine required an oil pan and potentially oil pump swap to go into a 202/208 platform.
zayed, speaking of swapping engines. the shop whose gonna do my swap call me for the 2nd time to pick up my engine (did the same thing last week). i am waiting for parts for almost 2 weeks so they tell me to pick it up and bring it back when i have all the parts...
so tomorrow i am going to pick up the engine and now i feel like they are rushing too much and maybe will rush the install..... shop just lost the job. 90% of the parts are here tomorrow and the rest will be here before 7 days.
after that i am going to do the swap myself. will spend 2 days dressing up the new engine making sure everything is good. will spend 1 day pulling out the old engine and will spend 1 more day putting in the new engine. plan is to do it in 4 or 5 days. (probably 3rd week of January)
i am going to need to buy some tools like
1. the fan wrenches,
2. new set of torx,
3. new torque wrench (400lb),
4, tool to push in new seals,
5. gear puller
and some other things i think.
any other special tools maybe you can think of that i might not have in my toolbox??
i'm back and forth with the shop, i really want to pull the job from them but i dont want to swap the engine in january in a cold garage LOL.
im going to have them pull the heads today just to make sure cylinders are good. aside from the headbolts, are any of the other screws that are one time use screws that i need to order?
christ they want to double the price on me to pull off the heads! that doesnt sound right to me.
C43/55,2k11 Volvo S60 T6AWD,2k Audi B5 S4,95 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD 500+awhp
Originally Posted by mickey13
i'm back and forth with the shop, i really want to pull the job from them but i dont want to swap the engine in january in a cold garage LOL.
im going to have them pull the heads today just to make sure cylinders are good. aside from the headbolts, are any of the other screws that are one time use screws that i need to order?
christ they want to double the price on me to pull off the heads! that doesnt sound right to me.
im in central jersey, shop is in newark. they are good guys there and i decided to let them run with it. there were a couple of things that raised red flags for me but i talked to the shop owner and i think they'll do the swap fine. the shop itself is immaculate and they have a great reputation and following.
i would have 100% done it myself but its the middle of january and i dont have a heated space to work. the swap should be done probably before the end of next week.
C43/55,2k11 Volvo S60 T6AWD,2k Audi B5 S4,95 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD 500+awhp
Originally Posted by mickey13
im in central jersey, shop is in newark. they are good guys there and i decided to let them run with it. there were a couple of things that raised red flags for me but i talked to the shop owner and i think they'll do the swap fine. the shop itself is immaculate and they have a great reputation and following.
i would have 100% done it myself but its the middle of january and i dont have a heated space to work. the swap should be done probably before the end of next week.
I could have had you bring the car and motor here and my guy would have put the motor in the same or next day key turned and running. Multiple people on here know and use the mechanic that always works on my car. He has got to be the if not one of the best in the NorthEast!! He's in Long Island and has done 4 swaps. 2 c43s a c320 into a c32 a w211 e55k with a cl600 to v12 . Bring the car to NYC man. Let me know what you do with that other motor as well.
Last edited by ProjectC55; 12-31-2016 at 04:01 AM.
that would have been cool to check out. im pretty sure they will have it done quick. they are open 930 to 8, so i dont see why they couldnt do it in one day. i dropped off all the parts yesterday so they are going to call me when the engine is dressed. there isnt much they will need from the old engine, just the harness and throttle body i think.
what boro are you from? im from the bronx, i've been living in jers for about 10 years now. im by track in englishtown.
C43/55,2k11 Volvo S60 T6AWD,2k Audi B5 S4,95 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD 500+awhp
Originally Posted by mickey13
that would have been cool to check out. im pretty sure they will have it done quick. they are open 930 to 8, so i dont see why they couldnt do it in one day. i dropped off all the parts yesterday so they are going to call me when the engine is dressed. there isnt much they will need from the old engine, just the harness and throttle body i think.
what boro are you from? im from the bronx, i've been living in jers for about 10 years now. im by track in englishtown.
Downtown Brooklyn and my Dad lives in downtown Newark by NJIT too bad I did not meet you sooner you would have had the conversion done a long time ago. I have not been on the forums a lot lately due to other projects
swap is done, wow really changes the car completely. 1999 4.3 was very grunty and almost gangster-ish. 2002 5.4 is way more modern and feels less powerful (grunty) but much quicker if that makes any sense.
going to delete the 2nd cats and possibly the resonator. can someone chime in on resonator delete? aside from sound is it giving extra power?
I don't have any scientific evidence that hp is gained, but I would imagine there is a small increase- you're dropping some weight & also enabling a more free flow.
12-12-2016, 04:55 PM
