SL/R230: SL600 or SL55?
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erdocslx2 how are the 20" wheels?
How do you find the 20" wheels. What size rubber do you have? I worry that 20" might leave to little side wall height for Asthetics, longetivity, and ride comfort. Do you have 20's on the 55 and which do you prefer? Any pics? You have tough choices each morning.
What did you mean "suspension on the sl55 is stiffer and a smoother and definitely a quieter ride"?
What did you mean "suspension on the sl55 is stiffer and a smoother and definitely a quieter ride"?
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I own an SL55 and I also own an automotive software company, and have had a fair amount of experience with both cars.
The 600 is easy to tune. Our ECU set up gives 600+ hp. MB left quite a bit on the table with the 600. It is easy to get HP, but the car's overall set up leans more towards a luxury cruiser. To me there is more to a performance car than squeezing the loud pedal and holding on for dear life!
The 55 is a lighter car and with not much work you can get close to 600hp. The 55's brakes, chassis and overall set up are of a much more sporting nature...and don't forget that V8 roar. So it all depends on what you are looking for, but both have more in them from stock......
The 600 is easy to tune. Our ECU set up gives 600+ hp. MB left quite a bit on the table with the 600. It is easy to get HP, but the car's overall set up leans more towards a luxury cruiser. To me there is more to a performance car than squeezing the loud pedal and holding on for dear life!
The 55 is a lighter car and with not much work you can get close to 600hp. The 55's brakes, chassis and overall set up are of a much more sporting nature...and don't forget that V8 roar. So it all depends on what you are looking for, but both have more in them from stock......
07-20-2007, 09:17 PM
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07 ML63 Silver Dead at 85k, 14 RS5, 05 SL600
Has MB changed the specs? All the current data seems to put the SL55 about 140 lb heavier than the SL600?
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07 ML63 Silver Dead at 85k, 14 RS5, 05 SL600
erdocslx2 tire size?
can you tell me the tire width and profile and model for your 20's?. Do you have 19's on the SL55?
08-09-2007, 11:18 PM
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I always get Toyo T1R's
Rears 275/30/20 rims 20x10
fronts 245/35/20 20x9
By the way I am getting ready to sell my Lorinser turbine 19" chromes.
These are them below on the Black Sl600 which is also getting ready to get sold.
Rears 275/30/20 rims 20x10
fronts 245/35/20 20x9
By the way I am getting ready to sell my Lorinser turbine 19" chromes.
These are them below on the Black Sl600 which is also getting ready to get sold.
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08-13-2007, 02:14 PM
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[quote=IngenereAMG;2327405]I own an SL55 and I also own an automotive software company, and have had a fair amount of experience with both cars.
The 600 is easy to tune. Our ECU set up gives 600+ hp. MB left quite a bit on the table with the 600. It is easy to get HP, but the car's overall set up leans more towards a luxury cruiser. To me there is more to a performance car than squeezing the loud pedal and holding on for dear life!
The 55 is a lighter car and with not much work you can get close to 600hp. The 55's brakes, chassis and overall set up are of a much more sporting nature...and don't forget that V8 roar. So it all depends on what you are looking for, but both have more in them from stock......[/quote]
I couldnt agree more. I testdrove both cars before purchasing my 55, and for me there was no doubt. The 55 is the more sporty car, overall. The fact that the 600 outperform the 55 is a decission made by MB when they launched the 600 ( the 55 came a few month earlier ). The first lot of 55 cars from AMG dynoed out 520HP. When the 600 was introduced, MB decided that the 600 should have more horsepower as the 55, since it was a bigger motor, but they didnt want to incdrease the power in the 600, so they asked AMG to detune the 55, down to 476 HP. This was done by changing the inside diameter of the throttle body from 80mm down to 76mm if i remember right, and so starving the Kompressor.
Its a matter of what you want, Luxury or Sport. I love highspeed cornering an althoug its not a Ferrari or Lambo, my SL55 perform very well. As you can see on my cars figures, power is no problem, and to be frank, i have not met any Mercedes, Porsche, or BMW i couldnt kill. My 55 does an impressive 3.8 sec 0-60 miles and a topspeed of 355 Km/h ( approx 220 mph ), driven on the German Autobahn. I dont have mutch experience with Ferraries or Lamboes, but i am confident that i can make even with them. ( ha ha ).
The 600 is easy to tune. Our ECU set up gives 600+ hp. MB left quite a bit on the table with the 600. It is easy to get HP, but the car's overall set up leans more towards a luxury cruiser. To me there is more to a performance car than squeezing the loud pedal and holding on for dear life!
The 55 is a lighter car and with not much work you can get close to 600hp. The 55's brakes, chassis and overall set up are of a much more sporting nature...and don't forget that V8 roar. So it all depends on what you are looking for, but both have more in them from stock......[/quote]
I couldnt agree more. I testdrove both cars before purchasing my 55, and for me there was no doubt. The 55 is the more sporty car, overall. The fact that the 600 outperform the 55 is a decission made by MB when they launched the 600 ( the 55 came a few month earlier ). The first lot of 55 cars from AMG dynoed out 520HP. When the 600 was introduced, MB decided that the 600 should have more horsepower as the 55, since it was a bigger motor, but they didnt want to incdrease the power in the 600, so they asked AMG to detune the 55, down to 476 HP. This was done by changing the inside diameter of the throttle body from 80mm down to 76mm if i remember right, and so starving the Kompressor.
Its a matter of what you want, Luxury or Sport. I love highspeed cornering an althoug its not a Ferrari or Lambo, my SL55 perform very well. As you can see on my cars figures, power is no problem, and to be frank, i have not met any Mercedes, Porsche, or BMW i couldnt kill. My 55 does an impressive 3.8 sec 0-60 miles and a topspeed of 355 Km/h ( approx 220 mph ), driven on the German Autobahn. I dont have mutch experience with Ferraries or Lamboes, but i am confident that i can make even with them. ( ha ha ).
08-14-2007, 12:46 AM
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220 mph sounds somewhat high given the SLR doesn't get there easily! 3.8 to 60 is quick.
I believe it is the 600 motor that was detuned actually. It was first in a maybach unless I was misinformed and produced a whole lot more HP and torque in that car.
I believe it is the 600 motor that was detuned actually. It was first in a maybach unless I was misinformed and produced a whole lot more HP and torque in that car.
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I have tested the speedometer against a Tachymeter, and it seems to fairly accurat.
Regarding the 600 detuning. Remember that MB motors in general have no standart HP. They are changed and tuned, detuned, whatever is right for the application they are intended for.
The motor in the SLR is nothing but a tuned 55 motor.
08-14-2007, 12:38 PM
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[quote=IngenereAMG;2327405]I own an SL55 and I also own an automotive software company, and have had a fair amount of experience with both cars.
The 600 is easy to tune. Our ECU set up gives 600+ hp. MB left quite a bit on the table with the 600. It is easy to get HP, but the car's overall set up leans more towards a luxury cruiser. To me there is more to a performance car than squeezing the loud pedal and holding on for dear life!
The 55 is a lighter car and with not much work you can get close to 600hp. The 55's brakes, chassis and overall set up are of a much more sporting nature...and don't forget that V8 roar. So it all depends on what you are looking for, but both have more in them from stock......
The 600 is easy to tune. Our ECU set up gives 600+ hp. MB left quite a bit on the table with the 600. It is easy to get HP, but the car's overall set up leans more towards a luxury cruiser. To me there is more to a performance car than squeezing the loud pedal and holding on for dear life!
The 55 is a lighter car and with not much work you can get close to 600hp. The 55's brakes, chassis and overall set up are of a much more sporting nature...and don't forget that V8 roar. So it all depends on what you are looking for, but both have more in them from stock......
I couldnt agree more. I testdrove both cars before purchasing my 55, and for me there was no doubt. The 55 is the more sporty car, overall. The fact that the 600 outperform the 55 is a decission made by MB when they launched the 600 ( the 55 came a few month earlier ). The first lot of 55 cars from AMG dynoed out 520HP. When the 600 was introduced, MB decided that the 600 should have more horsepower as the 55, since it was a bigger motor, but they didnt want to incdrease the power in the 600, so they asked AMG to detune the 55, down to 476 HP. This was done by changing the inside diameter of the throttle body from 80mm down to 76mm if i remember right, and so starving the Kompressor.
Its a matter of what you want, Luxury or Sport. I love highspeed cornering an althoug its not a Ferrari or Lambo, my SL55 perform very well. As you can see on my cars figures, power is no problem, and to be frank, i have not met any Mercedes, Porsche, or BMW i couldnt kill. My 55 does an impressive 3.8 sec 0-60 miles and a topspeed of 355 Km/h ( approx 220 mph ), driven on the German Autobahn. I dont have mutch experience with Ferraries or Lamboes, but i am confident that i can make even with them. ( ha ha ).
[/QUOTE]As great as straight line grunt is and the 600 can be made to have alot....the 55 has the sportscar feel and handling, brakes, etc. It just is a better all around package.
08-14-2007, 01:51 PM
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220 mph
I didn't say its impossible or that you were lying. I had just finished reading the road and track 200mph shootout and realize how hard it is to reach 200mph. It takes 33% more power to do 220 than 200. The Lambo and SLR didnt make 200 in 2 miles. Given that the SLR has more power (617 bhp) and weighs less (3860 lb) I was merely surmising that your SL may not be stock. Nevertheless an indicated speed of 220mph is impressive. I have no doub't the 55 corners better and stops than the 600. The 600 is a sweet DD though.
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I didn't say its impossible or that you were lying. I had just finished reading the road and track 200mph shootout and realize how hard it is to reach 200mph. It takes 33% more power to do 220 than 200. The Lambo and SLR didnt make 200 in 2 miles. Given that the SLR has more power (617 bhp) and weighs less (3860 lb) I was merely surmising that your SL may not be stock. Nevertheless an indicated speed of 220mph is impressive. I have no doub't the 55 corners better and stops than the 600. The 600 is a sweet DD though.
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08-15-2007, 10:48 AM
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I wouldn't think you are that stupid. 
No offense meant here. Just my personal opinion.
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Least but not last, since you dont know the circumstances in whitch i drove 220 MPH, you hardly can judge whatever it was dangerus or not.
Still no offense meant, just my personal opinion.
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07 ML63 Silver Dead at 85k, 14 RS5, 05 SL600
I did read about a heavily tuned brabus or renntech SL65 that did 217!
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[quote=Murtaza;2369321]SLcharger, do you have videos or pics of this 220mph run? I hope you do, it's the fastest any SL has gone by a large margin...[/quote]
This was not a planned event. We vere on our way to Rotterdam an early morning in the spring, driving on the A7 from Flensburg towards Hamburg, as my pall said to me, " whats this car up to ", and i replied, " lets try it out ". There was very little trafic, so we had free road for nearly 10 miles.
The Density of the air was high, so the motor was proberbly cranking out some 700 Hp. The wind was approx 15-20 MPH comming from behind.
This is not an official speed record, since i would have had to drive the distance back again, and taken the average of both runs, as the official speed, but under the given circumstances we did 220 MPH.
What amased me, was the fact that you litterally could see the needle of the fuel gauge going downwards. I doubt the car did more than 4 Miles to the gallon.
Due to the speed, and concentration needed, i didnt attemt to try shift menue in the display, otherwise it would have shown me the milage.
I would have loved to show you a video, but that was not meant to be.
This was not a planned event. We vere on our way to Rotterdam an early morning in the spring, driving on the A7 from Flensburg towards Hamburg, as my pall said to me, " whats this car up to ", and i replied, " lets try it out ". There was very little trafic, so we had free road for nearly 10 miles.
The Density of the air was high, so the motor was proberbly cranking out some 700 Hp. The wind was approx 15-20 MPH comming from behind.
This is not an official speed record, since i would have had to drive the distance back again, and taken the average of both runs, as the official speed, but under the given circumstances we did 220 MPH.
What amased me, was the fact that you litterally could see the needle of the fuel gauge going downwards. I doubt the car did more than 4 Miles to the gallon.
Due to the speed, and concentration needed, i didnt attemt to try shift menue in the display, otherwise it would have shown me the milage.
I would have loved to show you a video, but that was not meant to be.
08-16-2007, 10:33 AM
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So you think i am stupid. Well, you are entitled to have your own opinion, But allow me to say, that i think you are chicken. Why have a fast car, if you are scared to drive it. I would assume that you never have done high speed driving, so you dont know the feeling of the adrenalin rushing through your body, and its not even illegal.
Least but not last, since you dont know the circumstances in whitch i drove 220 MPH, you hardly can judge whatever it was dangerus or not.
Still no offense meant, just my personal opinion.
I had spend many hours with the professional drivers for Aston Martin when I purchased my Vanquish S. I had actually gone to their testing grounds and were taught by actaul race car drivers who testing cars for Aston Martin. They not only tested Aston Martins but other competitors including many of the other Super cars as well as the SL. I had the opportunity drive at speeds in excess of 180 MPH.
I also spoke to these professional drivers about the SL specifically and their experiences. I can assure you from what they told me they would never consider it safe to drive that car at those speeds your talk about.
If professional drivers won't do it because they deem it dangerous I'd suppose they were just a little smarter than you at making this decision.
This is where my opinion came from. Again of course nothing personal and no need to get into a debate about this.
Please, just be careful about the "rush" thing. Some people have only experienced it once in their life time if you get my drift.
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Without getting into a debate here and respecting what you want to do with your own life I just wanted to explain why I mentioned what I did.
I had spend many hours with the professional drivers for Aston Martin when I purchased my Vanquish S. I had actually gone to their testing grounds and were taught by actaul race car drivers who testing cars for Aston Martin. They not only tested Aston Martins but other competitors including many of the other Super cars as well as the SL. I had the opportunity drive at speeds in excess of 180 MPH.
So you at least once have done high speed driving. Did it include curved track, drifting, etc. or only straight ahead ? Anyway, I take the chicken back.
I also spoke to these professional drivers about the SL specifically and their experiences. I can assure you from what they told me they would never consider it safe to drive that car at those speeds your talk about.
Although they claim to have driven the SL to the limit, you dont state what model they were testdriving. If you ever have driven an SL AMG you would agree that it is mutch more a sportscar as the rest of SL series. I perfectly know that the not even the 55 is a pure sportscar, but you could say the same about an Aston Martin. Both cars are Sports/Comfort cars, and all driving tests i have read, where those cars were compared, they ended up equal.
If professional drivers won't do it because they deem it dangerous I'd suppose they were just a little smarter than you at making this decision.
What you dont know, is that i have a private background in Racing, and that i for many years have driven high speed cars, on track. I have learned to setup a car, judge ist driveabillity, alter varius setups, control risky situations, etc. At no point of this high speed driving of the SL, i felt that the car was unstable, unsafe or dangerus, and i felt perfectly safe.
This is where my opinion came from. Again of course nothing personal and no need to get into a debate about this.
Please, just be careful about the "rush" thing. Some people have only experienced it once in their life time if you get my drift.
I had spend many hours with the professional drivers for Aston Martin when I purchased my Vanquish S. I had actually gone to their testing grounds and were taught by actaul race car drivers who testing cars for Aston Martin. They not only tested Aston Martins but other competitors including many of the other Super cars as well as the SL. I had the opportunity drive at speeds in excess of 180 MPH.
So you at least once have done high speed driving. Did it include curved track, drifting, etc. or only straight ahead ? Anyway, I take the chicken back.
I also spoke to these professional drivers about the SL specifically and their experiences. I can assure you from what they told me they would never consider it safe to drive that car at those speeds your talk about.
Although they claim to have driven the SL to the limit, you dont state what model they were testdriving. If you ever have driven an SL AMG you would agree that it is mutch more a sportscar as the rest of SL series. I perfectly know that the not even the 55 is a pure sportscar, but you could say the same about an Aston Martin. Both cars are Sports/Comfort cars, and all driving tests i have read, where those cars were compared, they ended up equal.
If professional drivers won't do it because they deem it dangerous I'd suppose they were just a little smarter than you at making this decision.
What you dont know, is that i have a private background in Racing, and that i for many years have driven high speed cars, on track. I have learned to setup a car, judge ist driveabillity, alter varius setups, control risky situations, etc. At no point of this high speed driving of the SL, i felt that the car was unstable, unsafe or dangerus, and i felt perfectly safe.
This is where my opinion came from. Again of course nothing personal and no need to get into a debate about this.
Please, just be careful about the "rush" thing. Some people have only experienced it once in their life time if you get my drift.
By the way, you cant call a person "stupid" and claim its not personal.
08-16-2007, 01:50 PM
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I get your "Drift", but i think you schould be carefull, making statements like you did, based on other peoples opinon. Futher more it is not wise to call people "stupid" without explaining why you think so in the first place.
Originally Posted by LovinSL600
Without getting into a debate here and respecting what you want to do with your own life I just wanted to explain why I mentioned what I did.
I had spend many hours with the professional drivers for Aston Martin when I purchased my Vanquish S. I had actually gone to their testing grounds and were taught by actaul race car drivers who testing cars for Aston Martin. They not only tested Aston Martins but other competitors including many of the other Super cars as well as the SL. I had the opportunity drive at speeds in excess of 180 MPH.
So you at least once have done high speed driving. Did it include curved track, drifting, etc. or only straight ahead ? Anyway, I take the chicken back.
I spent 8 hours driving every conceivable track situation that was available on their test course and it was just about every situation your could imagine. The high speeds were under several different situations. On a straight away it wasn't that scary. Around curves is another story.
I also spoke to these professional drivers about the SL specifically and their experiences. I can assure you from what they told me they would never consider it safe to drive that car at those speeds your talk about.
Although they claim to have driven the SL to the limit, you dont state what model they were testdriving. If you ever have driven an SL AMG you would agree that it is mutch more a sportscar as the rest of SL series. I perfectly know that the not even the 55 is a pure sportscar, but you could say the same about an Aston Martin. Both cars are Sports/Comfort cars, and all driving tests i have read, where those cars were compared, they ended up equal.
I do not know the model SL he drove but I can tell you his comments about the stability of the car when pushed to the limits was not very encouraging.
The gentlemen that was the professional driver that I was with all day actaully works for all the major motor car companies both domestic and foreign. The reason for this is that is one of a handful of professional drivers that is willing to drive a car backwards on a cource at speeds in excess of 100 MPH which when done for testing purposes requires some very special safety precautions.
If professional drivers won't do it because they deem it dangerous I'd suppose they were just a little smarter than you at making this decision.
What you dont know, is that i have a private background in Racing, and that i for many years have driven high speed cars, on track. I have learned to setup a car, judge ist driveabillity, alter varius setups, control risky situations, etc. At no point of this high speed driving of the SL, i felt that the car was unstable, unsafe or dangerus, and i felt perfectly safe.
This is where my opinion came from. Again of course nothing personal and no need to get into a debate about this.
Please, just be careful about the "rush" thing. Some people have only experienced it once in their life time if you get my drift.
By the way, you cant call a person "stupid" and claim its not personal.
Originally Posted by LovinSL600
Without getting into a debate here and respecting what you want to do with your own life I just wanted to explain why I mentioned what I did.
I had spend many hours with the professional drivers for Aston Martin when I purchased my Vanquish S. I had actually gone to their testing grounds and were taught by actaul race car drivers who testing cars for Aston Martin. They not only tested Aston Martins but other competitors including many of the other Super cars as well as the SL. I had the opportunity drive at speeds in excess of 180 MPH.
So you at least once have done high speed driving. Did it include curved track, drifting, etc. or only straight ahead ? Anyway, I take the chicken back.
I spent 8 hours driving every conceivable track situation that was available on their test course and it was just about every situation your could imagine. The high speeds were under several different situations. On a straight away it wasn't that scary. Around curves is another story.
I also spoke to these professional drivers about the SL specifically and their experiences. I can assure you from what they told me they would never consider it safe to drive that car at those speeds your talk about.
Although they claim to have driven the SL to the limit, you dont state what model they were testdriving. If you ever have driven an SL AMG you would agree that it is mutch more a sportscar as the rest of SL series. I perfectly know that the not even the 55 is a pure sportscar, but you could say the same about an Aston Martin. Both cars are Sports/Comfort cars, and all driving tests i have read, where those cars were compared, they ended up equal.
I do not know the model SL he drove but I can tell you his comments about the stability of the car when pushed to the limits was not very encouraging.
The gentlemen that was the professional driver that I was with all day actaully works for all the major motor car companies both domestic and foreign. The reason for this is that is one of a handful of professional drivers that is willing to drive a car backwards on a cource at speeds in excess of 100 MPH which when done for testing purposes requires some very special safety precautions.
If professional drivers won't do it because they deem it dangerous I'd suppose they were just a little smarter than you at making this decision.
What you dont know, is that i have a private background in Racing, and that i for many years have driven high speed cars, on track. I have learned to setup a car, judge ist driveabillity, alter varius setups, control risky situations, etc. At no point of this high speed driving of the SL, i felt that the car was unstable, unsafe or dangerus, and i felt perfectly safe.
This is where my opinion came from. Again of course nothing personal and no need to get into a debate about this.
Please, just be careful about the "rush" thing. Some people have only experienced it once in their life time if you get my drift.
By the way, you cant call a person "stupid" and claim its not personal.
I was really just trying to encourage you to be careful. There have been some real horror stories about people taking cars to limits they are not supposed to be at.
If I have offended you in any way, I apologize.
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Also, I believe my statement was that you were not stupid.
I was really just trying to encourage you to be careful. There have been some real horror stories about people taking cars to limits they are not supposed to be at.
If I have offended you in any way, I apologize.
I was really just trying to encourage you to be careful. There have been some real horror stories about people taking cars to limits they are not supposed to be at.
If I have offended you in any way, I apologize.
08-16-2007, 03:45 PM
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...I had spend many hours with the professional drivers for Aston Martin when I purchased my Vanquish S. I had actually gone to their testing grounds and were taught by actaul race car drivers who testing cars for Aston Martin. They not only tested Aston Martins but other competitors including many of the other Super cars as well as the SL. I had the opportunity drive at speeds in excess of 180 MPH.
I also spoke to these professional drivers about the SL specifically and their experiences. I can assure you from what they told me they would never consider it safe to drive that car at those speeds your talk about....
I also spoke to these professional drivers about the SL specifically and their experiences. I can assure you from what they told me they would never consider it safe to drive that car at those speeds your talk about....
Stock tires are only rated for 186 MPH, of course, so that would be a safety risk unless the owner installs 200 MPH-capable tires.
But what else?
