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kemzo 03-12-2019 06:14 PM

P0025 2008 SL550
 
Driving back home and the dreaded CEL came on, stopped by Autozone and got it scanned and it issued this code. P0025 Exhaust Camshaft Position Timing - Over-Ratarded (Bank 2). Have any of had this issue and how was it resolved? I also noticed that Sport mode was engaged at the moment.

Thanks in advance.

Eric79 03-12-2019 06:24 PM

Check out this guy's issue. It seems the same as yours.

Good luck!

https://mbworld.org/forums/m-class-w...ixed-pics.html

kemzo 03-12-2019 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by Eric79 (Post 7703888)
Check out this guy's issue. It seems the same as yours.

Good luck!

https://mbworld.org/forums/m-class-w...ixed-pics.html

Thanks, I’ll check it...
The only thing is, that’s for a different vehicle, I’m not sure if it applies.

Bhopkins 03-12-2019 08:52 PM

Replace Camshaft Adjuster Magnet
 
I'm pretty sure you need a camshaft adjuster magnet. I had the same thing go out on my '07, but on bank 1 (RH from drivers position). Fortunately, they are very inexpensive and very easy to install.



Visit this discussion for some great information from a few that understand this better.

https://mbworld.org/forums/sl-class-...rror-code.html

kemzo 03-12-2019 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by Bhopkins (Post 7704002)
I'm pretty sure you need a camshaft adjuster magnet. I had the same thing go out on my '07, but on bank 1 (RH from drivers position). Fortunately, they are very inexpensive and very easy to install.

I’ve already ordered two, do you know if mine is on the passenger side, based on the description? I really need to do this myself. Thanks!

Rudeney 03-12-2019 10:41 PM

Go ahead and replace all four. It; scenario #2 in this TSB:

http://benzbits.com/BalanceShaftTSB.pdf

You will probably need to remove the oil cooler to replace the left bank exhaust so you'll need a gasket for that (plus you'll want to drain a bit of coolant so you don;t make a mess). Othewise, this is an easy job with just a bit of wrenching.

Bhopkins 03-12-2019 10:52 PM


Originally Posted by kemzo (Post 7704027)
I’ve already ordered two, do you know if mine is on the passenger side, based on the description? I really need to do this myself. Thanks!

It is the exhaust on the LH (US Driver's) side. Take a few minutes to study the graphic that Rodney provided in post #12 in the link I attached above. It is very helpful.



Originally Posted by Rudeney (Post 7704080)
Go ahead and replace all four. It; scenario #2 in this TSB:

http://benzbits.com/BalanceShaftTSB.pdf

You will probably need to remove the oil cooler to replace the left bank exhaust so you'll need a gasket for that (plus you'll want to drain a bit of coolant so you don;t make a mess). Othewise, this is an easy job with just a bit of wrenching.

Rodney, I've noticed that on a number of occasions, you have recommended replacing all four at the same time. What is your reasoning? It would seem reasonable to think that if one has failed the others may not be far behind, and they really aren't that expensive. Is there more to it?

Rudeney 03-13-2019 10:24 AM

The reason you have to replace any of them is that there was a manufacturing defect that causes them to fail. I think what happens is that oil gets inside of them and shorts them out. I guess you could replace them as they fail, but you can get all four for about $100, and other than the one behind the oil cooler, it takes just a few minutes to swap them, so why not just do them so you have no worries about future failures?

kemzo 03-13-2019 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by Rudeney (Post 7704339)
you can get all four for about $100, and other than the one behind the oil cooler, it takes just a few minutes to swap them, so why not just do them so you have no worries about future failures?

Understood! I’ll try to replace the ones I can reach and let my mechanic do the messy one, since I don’t have an adequate space to do the job.

On a side note, I drove the car this morning to work, it’s a 40 mile drive and once I arrived at work, the CEL is no longer displayed, maybe it’s a fluke, still replacing them before my appointment with the dealership on Saturday for alignment.

kemzo 03-15-2019 08:34 AM

Update!
 
I went ahead and replaced the two by the drivers side, I think that the car drives fine, since replacing them, or maybe it’s in my head 🤣. I’ll be ordering two more for the passenger side. I read that it is advisable to also replace the “Camshaft Position Sensor”, when replacing the Camshaft Adjuster Magnets. Is that so? Amazon suggested those and I ordered two but my mechanic advices me not to do it, maybe it might require reprogramming. So, I still have them... Don’t want to rock the boat 😀

Rudeney 03-15-2019 11:32 AM

No, the sensors rarely fail. And they are costly - I think $200+ each. BTW, here's a diagram showing which solenoid throws which OBDII error. This is from the perspective of standing in front of the engine and looking back at the car. But, as I said, you really should replace all four as the original parts used were defective.

http://benzbits.com/m272/CamshaftSolenoidCodes.jpg

kemzo 03-15-2019 11:46 AM

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...d7987d7e8.jpeg

Originally Posted by Rudeney (Post 7706200)
No, the sensors rarely fail. And they are costly - I think $200+ each. BTW, here's a diagram showing which solenoid throws which OBDII error. This is from the perspective of standing in front of the engine and looking back at the car. But, as I said, you really should replace all four as the original parts used were defective.

Thanks, I’ve already replaced two, and sure enough, I replaced the right ones, and I’ve already ordered two more for the other side. The sensor I was referring to, is attached below.

Rudeney 03-15-2019 08:07 PM

That's probably fake. Amazon and eBay are so full of fake Bosch parts, I;d never consider buying there. The OE part is over $150:

https://www.mercedespartsdelivered.c...QtMTUzLTk2LTI4

But like I said, those rarely fail.

kemzo 03-15-2019 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by Rudeney (Post 7706609)
That's probably fake. Amazon and eBay are so full of fake Bosch parts, I;d never consider buying there. The OE part is over $150:

https://www.mercedespartsdelivered.c...QtMTUzLTk2LTI4

But like I said, those rarely fail.

Wow! I won’t install it. The Camshaft Magnets was shipped by a local Mercedes dealership by me.


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