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1) no warranty
2) no services, including fluid and spare parts, paid until 100k km
3) radio on different frequencies
4) unusable satnav
5) tach in miles
6) less powerful engine: our premium gas is 100 octanes
7) horrendous residual value
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Thanks for the info, but what do you mean by less powerful engine, is that really true ?
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I ordered Iridium siver also.
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Did not order ABC.
Had a 2003 SL and though I think it looked better than the 2013 from an exterior point of view, it was a great car and was happy with it.
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Magic sky roof and pkgs 1 & 2
Did not order ABC.
Had a 2003 SL and though I think it looked better than the 2013 from an exterior point of view, it was a great car and was happy with it.
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1) Super, having 95 octanes
2) Super plus, having 98 or 100 octanes, depending on the brand.
In other words the lowest type of gas in Europe has more octane than the best one available in the US. The price is much higher, roughly 11 dollars per gallon.
For this reason cars in Europe have different software than in the US, and slighty more horsepower. In the case of the 2013 SL 500 it is 435 as opposed to 429
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In Europe there are two kinds of gas:
1) Super, having 95 octanes
2) Super plus, having 98 or 100 octanes, depending on the brand.
In other words the lowest type of gas in Europe has more octane than the best one available in the US. The price is much higher, roughly 11 dollars per gallon.
For this reason cars in Europe have different software than in the US, and slighty more horsepower. In the case of the 2013 SL 500 it is 435 as opposed to 429
1) Super, having 95 octanes
2) Super plus, having 98 or 100 octanes, depending on the brand.
In other words the lowest type of gas in Europe has more octane than the best one available in the US. The price is much higher, roughly 11 dollars per gallon.
For this reason cars in Europe have different software than in the US, and slighty more horsepower. In the case of the 2013 SL 500 it is 435 as opposed to 429
It's just that in the US, they don't measure octane in the same ways than the rest of the world.
( RON Octane Rating x 0.95 = AKI Octane Rating )
98 RON Octane x 0.95 = 93.1 AKI Octane (US measure)
100 RON Octane x 0.95 = 95 AKI Octane (US measure)
So basically, we have the same gas, it's just that they don't call it the same.
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It's just that in the US, they don't measure octane in the same ways than the rest of the world.
( RON Octane Rating x 0.95 = AKI Octane Rating )
98 RON Octane x 0.95 = 93.1 AKI Octane (US measure)
100 RON Octane x 0.95 = 95 AKI Octane (US measure)
So basically, we have the same gas, it's just that they don't call it the same.
( RON Octane Rating x 0.95 = AKI Octane Rating )
98 RON Octane x 0.95 = 93.1 AKI Octane (US measure)
100 RON Octane x 0.95 = 95 AKI Octane (US measure)
So basically, we have the same gas, it's just that they don't call it the same.
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Well I have no idea then. Hopefully someone who is more familiar with this will answer. It's weird though. I thought that as long it's X550 or X500 or even X600, it will have the same HP.. no matter if the car is a us model or no..
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I suspect this has more to do with the standard of measure for determining horsepower than octane of the gas in the two regions.
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Apparently it has to fo with the fact that your cars must be able to use lower octane gasoline than in Europe. My current SL AMG 63 MUST use 98 octanes, which is the equivalent of your 93. My beweekly trips to California tell me you can find much lower octane gas at the pump.
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How much does the Magic Sky roof option run?
Apparently it has to fo with the fact that your cars must be able to use lower octane gasoline than in Europe. My current SL AMG 63 MUST use 98 octanes, which is the equivalent of your 93. My beweekly trips to California tell me you can find much lower octane gas at the pump.
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The hp difference is because in Europe they go by DIN and we use SAE standards, same power. There is no actual difference, just in the way it is calculated. Has nothing to do with gasoline or emissions. I thought everyone knew this.
If you take the 435hp DIN and divide it by 1.0139 it will give you the SAE rating = 429hp. Nothing to with any actual difference in raw power. Had to look up the actual SAE value.
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If you take the 435hp DIN and divide it by 1.0139 it will give you the SAE rating = 429hp. Nothing to with any actual difference in raw power. Had to look up the actual SAE value.
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The hp difference is because in Europe they go by DIN and we use SAE standards, same power. There is no actually difference, just in the way it is calculated. Has nothing to do with gasoline or emissions. I thought everyone knew this. Its simply the measurement of HP not any actual difference.
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