SL/R232: 2021 SL R232/233 or will it be CY2022 ?
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Did you confirm the models?
I heard that the SL55 nameplate was resurrected. Were you able to confirm that? There was chatter about that a year or so ago.
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Yeah,I’m thinking that Oct/Nov quote is when production is starting and probably official announcement.
There may have been something lost in translation 😀
We just talked about V8 models, no EV’s were mentioned and forgot to ask. The one on the floor was an SL63. It has rear wheel steering and 4matic.
I think this is definitely a car targeted at current AMG GT/SL owners.
I like the styling, but it’s best to look at these things objectively. To me this is a departure from what many consider an SL, but more of closely tied and an evolution of the AMG GT.
Even the Mercedes guys admitted the loss of the hard top was a bummer. The r231 was still a favorite among them.
There may have been something lost in translation 😀
We just talked about V8 models, no EV’s were mentioned and forgot to ask. The one on the floor was an SL63. It has rear wheel steering and 4matic.
I think this is definitely a car targeted at current AMG GT/SL owners.
I like the styling, but it’s best to look at these things objectively. To me this is a departure from what many consider an SL, but more of closely tied and an evolution of the AMG GT.
Even the Mercedes guys admitted the loss of the hard top was a bummer. The r231 was still a favorite among them.
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Where did you hear about the 55 being a V8? Not denying the claims just super curious since I thought they would have used the 53 moniker but many posts have mentioned the return of the 55. I am very excited if this is true.
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I can however see that they would name the P3 hybrid something else as the price would be a big step up. Something like SL53 and the SL53e (ePerformance) as the SL55. If that would be the case, it'll be a 4 banger...
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So now what? 2023? Or is the SL63 going to be one of the only V8’s? Strangest times, I’ve never seen anything quite like this.
https://mbworld.org/articles/mercede...rket-for-2022/
https://mbworld.org/articles/mercede...rket-for-2022/
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So now what? 2023? Or is the SL63 going to be one of the only V8’s? Strangest times, I’ve never seen anything quite like this.
https://mbworld.org/articles/mercede...rket-for-2022/
https://mbworld.org/articles/mercede...rket-for-2022/
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Honestly, I couldn’t care less. No V8’s? Big deal. The current six cylinder engines MB offers are as powerful as their V8’s from just a few years ago. And I don’t believe the “supplier shortage” BS for one minute. If there is a shortage of V8 parts, why isn’t there a shortage of 4 & 6 cylinder parts? This is just an excuse to weasel their way into CAFE compliance and making all the tree huggers happy without having a full fledged revolt by their customers. MB has bet the ranch on electric propulsion and they have taken this golden opportunity, presented by the CCP virus madness, to make some sudden, drastic moves, blaming “current conditions,” while trying not to look guilty. This is opportunism at its finest. Of course, this is just my opinion. 
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08-20-2021, 12:29 AM
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Honestly, I couldn’t care less. No V8’s? Big deal. The current six cylinder engines MB offers are as powerful as their V8’s from just a few years ago. And I don’t believe the “supplier shortage” BS for one minute. If there is a shortage of V8 parts, why isn’t there a shortage of 4 & 6 cylinder parts? This is just an excuse to weasel their way into CAFE compliance and making all the tree huggers happy without having a full fledged revolt by their customers. MB has bet the ranch on electric propulsion and they have taken this golden opportunity, presented by the CCP virus madness, to make some sudden, drastic moves, blaming “current conditions,” while trying not to look guilty. This is opportunism at its finest. Of course, this is just my opinion.
The European penalties are what matter and they will be over a Billion Euros in fines this year.
But there is likely a combination of emissions and supply chain scenario.
Btw, no more V6 for the SL either…
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The news on supply chain is getting worse though, particularly chips. Looks like Toyota cut their production by 40% for September (300,000 cars), BMW by 40,000 cars and there is an assumption in Germany that this may not normalize before 2023. I hope not...
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Why would they do that? They already have the amazing AMG GT’s in many different variations, which seems like the ultimate platform for one monster power plant after another. The SL, at least since the original 300SL’s, has pretty much always been a luxury focused, very comfortable grand tourer. It doesn’t make sense to me. Four seats, a rag top and 800hp. Phooey!
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Honestly, I couldn’t care less. No V8’s? Big deal. The current six cylinder engines MB offers are as powerful as their V8’s from just a few years ago. And I don’t believe the “supplier shortage” BS for one minute. If there is a shortage of V8 parts, why isn’t there a shortage of 4 & 6 cylinder parts? This is just an excuse to weasel their way into CAFE compliance and making all the tree huggers happy without having a full fledged revolt by their customers. MB has bet the ranch on electric propulsion and they have taken this golden opportunity, presented by the CCP virus madness, to make some sudden, drastic moves, blaming “current conditions,” while trying not to look guilty. This is opportunism at its finest. Of course, this is just my opinion.
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I'm thinking of trading off my 2019 S560 for a 2016 SL550 with 40K miles tomorrow. I test drove it and it is a beast of power. No need to slam a 800 hp engine in it. Anyway, what do you think of my opportunity on this? I'm single, I never have anyone ride with me in a 4 door car, and I've never had a convertible. The test drive was awesome as it seemed as powerful as my previous S63. The car is white and has the red and black seats. Not a flaw anywhere.
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I'm thinking of trading off my 2019 S560 for a 2016 SL550 with 40K miles tomorrow. I test drove it and it is a beast of power. No need to slam a 800 hp engine in it. Anyway, what do you think of my opportunity on this? I'm single, I never have anyone ride with me in a 4 door car, and I've never had a convertible. The test drive was awesome as it seemed as powerful as my previous S63. The car is white and has the red and black seats. Not a flaw anywhere.
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08-24-2021, 04:16 PM
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Translation from a German Blog: jesmb.de/8452/The innovative drive train with AMG E Performance
The SL 43 AMG will share the drive train with the new C 43 AMG (W206).
It is based on the M254 2.0 liter 4-cylinder series engine, but has an e-turbocharger. It bridges the turbo lag with a 48 volt electric motor that sits on the turbo charger shaft and drives the compressor wheel if there is not enough exhaust pressure at low speed.
A 2.0 liter M254 with around 390 hp + 20 hp ISG will therefore be available for the SL 43 AMG.
In addition, there is the SL 53 AMG 4matic + E Performance, which is based on the essential components of the C 63e 4matic +. The M139 with e-turbo and 400 volt RSG is used here. The power will be just over 449 hp. For this purpose, an electric motor is integrated on the rear axle as well as a small externally chargeable battery (6.1 kWh). The purely electric range will be around 25 km.
The SL 63 AMG 4matic + is used with the well-known V8 M177 4.0 liter BiTurbo. It makes 612 hp and is also coupled with a 48 volt ISG (+20 hp).
The SL 63 4matic + E Performance is installed with the 4.0 liter M177 V8 BiTurbo with 612 PS plus the AMG E Performance module (P3 plug-in hybrid) on the rear axle with an output of 204 PS. This enables a peak performance (10s) of 816 hp. The continuous output of the battery is 95 HP and thus results in a system output of 707 HP.
The SL 43 AMG will share the drive train with the new C 43 AMG (W206).
It is based on the M254 2.0 liter 4-cylinder series engine, but has an e-turbocharger. It bridges the turbo lag with a 48 volt electric motor that sits on the turbo charger shaft and drives the compressor wheel if there is not enough exhaust pressure at low speed.
A 2.0 liter M254 with around 390 hp + 20 hp ISG will therefore be available for the SL 43 AMG.
In addition, there is the SL 53 AMG 4matic + E Performance, which is based on the essential components of the C 63e 4matic +. The M139 with e-turbo and 400 volt RSG is used here. The power will be just over 449 hp. For this purpose, an electric motor is integrated on the rear axle as well as a small externally chargeable battery (6.1 kWh). The purely electric range will be around 25 km.
The SL 63 AMG 4matic + is used with the well-known V8 M177 4.0 liter BiTurbo. It makes 612 hp and is also coupled with a 48 volt ISG (+20 hp).
The SL 63 4matic + E Performance is installed with the 4.0 liter M177 V8 BiTurbo with 612 PS plus the AMG E Performance module (P3 plug-in hybrid) on the rear axle with an output of 204 PS. This enables a peak performance (10s) of 816 hp. The continuous output of the battery is 95 HP and thus results in a system output of 707 HP.
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Translation from a German Blog: jesmb.de/8452/The innovative drive train with AMG E Performance
The SL 43 AMG will share the drive train with the new C 43 AMG (W206).
It is based on the M254 2.0 liter 4-cylinder series engine, but has an e-turbocharger. It bridges the turbo lag with a 48 volt electric motor that sits on the turbo charger shaft and drives the compressor wheel if there is not enough exhaust pressure at low speed.
A 2.0 liter M254 with around 390 hp + 20 hp ISG will therefore be available for the SL 43 AMG.
In addition, there is the SL 53 AMG 4matic + E Performance, which is based on the essential components of the C 63e 4matic +. The M139 with e-turbo and 400 volt RSG is used here. The power will be just over 449 hp. For this purpose, an electric motor is integrated on the rear axle as well as a small externally chargeable battery (6.1 kWh). The purely electric range will be around 25 km.
The SL 63 AMG 4matic + is used with the well-known V8 M177 4.0 liter BiTurbo. It makes 612 hp and is also coupled with a 48 volt ISG (+20 hp).
The SL 63 4matic + E Performance is installed with the 4.0 liter M177 V8 BiTurbo with 612 PS plus the AMG E Performance module (P3 plug-in hybrid) on the rear axle with an output of 204 PS. This enables a peak performance (10s) of 816 hp. The continuous output of the battery is 95 HP and thus results in a system output of 707 HP.
The SL 43 AMG will share the drive train with the new C 43 AMG (W206).
It is based on the M254 2.0 liter 4-cylinder series engine, but has an e-turbocharger. It bridges the turbo lag with a 48 volt electric motor that sits on the turbo charger shaft and drives the compressor wheel if there is not enough exhaust pressure at low speed.
A 2.0 liter M254 with around 390 hp + 20 hp ISG will therefore be available for the SL 43 AMG.
In addition, there is the SL 53 AMG 4matic + E Performance, which is based on the essential components of the C 63e 4matic +. The M139 with e-turbo and 400 volt RSG is used here. The power will be just over 449 hp. For this purpose, an electric motor is integrated on the rear axle as well as a small externally chargeable battery (6.1 kWh). The purely electric range will be around 25 km.
The SL 63 AMG 4matic + is used with the well-known V8 M177 4.0 liter BiTurbo. It makes 612 hp and is also coupled with a 48 volt ISG (+20 hp).
The SL 63 4matic + E Performance is installed with the 4.0 liter M177 V8 BiTurbo with 612 PS plus the AMG E Performance module (P3 plug-in hybrid) on the rear axle with an output of 204 PS. This enables a peak performance (10s) of 816 hp. The continuous output of the battery is 95 HP and thus results in a system output of 707 HP.
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Translation from a German Blog: jesmb.de/8452/The innovative drive train with AMG E Performance
The SL 43 AMG will share the drive train with the new C 43 AMG (W206).
It is based on the M254 2.0 liter 4-cylinder series engine, but has an e-turbocharger. It bridges the turbo lag with a 48 volt electric motor that sits on the turbo charger shaft and drives the compressor wheel if there is not enough exhaust pressure at low speed.
A 2.0 liter M254 with around 390 hp + 20 hp ISG will therefore be available for the SL 43 AMG.
In addition, there is the SL 53 AMG 4matic + E Performance, which is based on the essential components of the C 63e 4matic +. The M139 with e-turbo and 400 volt RSG is used here. The power will be just over 449 hp. For this purpose, an electric motor is integrated on the rear axle as well as a small externally chargeable battery (6.1 kWh). The purely electric range will be around 25 km.
The SL 63 AMG 4matic + is used with the well-known V8 M177 4.0 liter BiTurbo. It makes 612 hp and is also coupled with a 48 volt ISG (+20 hp).
The SL 63 4matic + E Performance is installed with the 4.0 liter M177 V8 BiTurbo with 612 PS plus the AMG E Performance module (P3 plug-in hybrid) on the rear axle with an output of 204 PS. This enables a peak performance (10s) of 816 hp. The continuous output of the battery is 95 HP and thus results in a system output of 707 HP.
The SL 43 AMG will share the drive train with the new C 43 AMG (W206).
It is based on the M254 2.0 liter 4-cylinder series engine, but has an e-turbocharger. It bridges the turbo lag with a 48 volt electric motor that sits on the turbo charger shaft and drives the compressor wheel if there is not enough exhaust pressure at low speed.
A 2.0 liter M254 with around 390 hp + 20 hp ISG will therefore be available for the SL 43 AMG.
In addition, there is the SL 53 AMG 4matic + E Performance, which is based on the essential components of the C 63e 4matic +. The M139 with e-turbo and 400 volt RSG is used here. The power will be just over 449 hp. For this purpose, an electric motor is integrated on the rear axle as well as a small externally chargeable battery (6.1 kWh). The purely electric range will be around 25 km.
The SL 63 AMG 4matic + is used with the well-known V8 M177 4.0 liter BiTurbo. It makes 612 hp and is also coupled with a 48 volt ISG (+20 hp).
The SL 63 4matic + E Performance is installed with the 4.0 liter M177 V8 BiTurbo with 612 PS plus the AMG E Performance module (P3 plug-in hybrid) on the rear axle with an output of 204 PS. This enables a peak performance (10s) of 816 hp. The continuous output of the battery is 95 HP and thus results in a system output of 707 HP.
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08-25-2021, 08:17 AM
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It's a crying shame that Mercedes makes a wonderful new I6 and then doesn't put it in their most iconic car, the SL. Terrible to make customers choose between a 4-cylinder and what will be too much V8 for many buyers. The SL53 should be an I6 model. Period. AMG is not doing anything with the I6 which is a shame and it looks like no further development of the I6 will happen. The new W206 C-Class deserves the I6 and so does the SL. I guess the next GLC will also be all 4-cylinders too. Terrible.
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Quit cramming 4 cylinders down our throats!!
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I have to believe these cars will under go some growing pains. Lot's of complicated tech all interconnected. 150k for a 4 cylinder? Not interested in becoming MB's guinea pig while they sort this out.
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