SL/R232: Any info on the SL 43?
04-01-2022, 12:31 PM
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This starts to sound like throwing around lot of numbers without context. First off, the SL63 will not cost $200k as a base and we'll have to see where the SL43 is coming in. It will cost a good amount of money to get the amenities and features of the 43 to match the base features of the 63, so expect a significantly smaller delta.
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04-01-2022, 01:32 PM
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While I think the 4 is an odd choice when they make a great new efficient I-6 (especially since it would more strongly link it to the original), outside of the US the last couple generations of S-class have been available with four cylinder diesels to V12s and everything in between. Same with the big sedan competition from BMW and Audi. People in general have no idea what's under the hood.
04-01-2022, 05:05 PM
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This starts to sound like throwing around lot of numbers without context. First off, the SL63 will not cost $200k as a base and we'll have to see where the SL43 is coming in. It will cost a good amount of money to get the amenities and features of the 43 to match the base features of the 63, so expect a significantly smaller delta.
While I think the 4 is an odd choice when they make a great new efficient I-6 (especially since it would more strongly link it to the original), outside of the US the last couple generations of S-class have been available with four cylinder diesels to V12s and everything in between. Same with the big sedan competition from BMW and Audi. People in general have no idea what's under the hood.
04-01-2022, 06:21 PM
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^ The I-6 must have come before or concurrently with development of the SL; I'm sure it would be in there if that's what they wanted.
Perhaps the I-4 in a low volume halo car goes a long way towards acceptance in more profitable AMG product lines...
Perhaps the I-4 in a low volume halo car goes a long way towards acceptance in more profitable AMG product lines...
04-02-2022, 12:37 AM
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New fuel mileage rules 40 mpg by 2026 might have a lot to do with the 4 cyl SL. Also I’ve owned a few 4 cyl motorcycles which both sounded and performed very sporting. That was 1 ltr producing 100 Hp, this is 200 Hp per ltr.
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04-02-2022, 06:56 AM
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The base price of the SL43 will be approx Euro 40K less than the SL55 and Euro 70K less than the SL63 in Germany. Im some countries, the difference can be even more because of CO2 Tax (here the CO2 tax difference between a x43 and x55 engine alone will be approx Euro 30K!).
04-17-2022, 01:14 PM
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NY Auto Show 2022
Anyone see the new SL at the NY Auto Show? Any SL 43 there? Anything else to see? I’m going Friday
04-17-2022, 10:03 PM
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07-07-2023, 12:36 AM
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CLE cab was released yesterday, you still think SL looks much better?
07-07-2023, 09:14 AM
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So much for the "same engine different car" point. SL is a more dynamic design for sure, new CLE is less evolved but overall a pretty nice looking car. I think two different targets, although there will obviously be overlap with the CLE AMG version(s). IMO the SL 43 will appeal to someone that wants SL status but likely can't stretch for the real deal 55/63. I'd take the CLE with a six over a four banger SL all day.
07-07-2023, 10:29 AM
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So much for the "same engine different car" point. SL is a more dynamic design for sure, new CLE is less evolved but overall a pretty nice looking car. I think two different targets, although there will obviously be overlap with the CLE AMG version(s). IMO the SL 43 will appeal to someone that wants SL status but likely can't stretch for the real deal 55/63. I'd take the CLE with a six over a four banger SL all day.
07-07-2023, 11:26 AM
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People can discuss this all day long but the AMG 4 banger will easily outperform the 6 cylinder engine. It's detuned in the SL43 to begin with and can easily be tuned above 500hp. No the same type of cars, still very different price points.
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07-07-2023, 04:17 PM
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I don't think there will be any significant overlap. A SL55, used or not, will be a very different car. The CLE is a step down from the E-Series and the E cab wasn't in the ballpark of a V8 SL, especially an AMG. The CLE is the more traditional, slower, softer 4 seater cab. And YES, I think the SL looks much better. No comparison...
People can discuss this all day long but the AMG 4 banger will easily outperform the 6 cylinder engine. It's detuned in the SL43 to begin with and can easily be tuned above 500hp. No the same type of cars, still very different price points.
People can discuss this all day long but the AMG 4 banger will easily outperform the 6 cylinder engine. It's detuned in the SL43 to begin with and can easily be tuned above 500hp. No the same type of cars, still very different price points.
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07-07-2023, 07:23 PM
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From the pictures it looks like the CLE convertible has a retractable windscreen vs the ever so convenient get out of you car, unfold and manually install offered on the more premium SL.
07-07-2023, 07:38 PM
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If the SL would have stayed as a 2 seater, they would have had an effective electric screen like the old SL but with even tiny rear seats that will need to be covered.
The 911 has an elegant solution but that only worked by cutting off half the backrest and having no headrests in the rear. Granted not a big deal as nobody ever sits in the rear
In the new SL, they simply used the BMW 8 Series style. Ugly, clumsy, but effective...
07-07-2023, 09:39 PM
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Well. I mean the SL is a roadster while the CLE is a convertible, the SL was meant to and be built to have the top down, the CLE is meant to have the top down as an option. So not really a comparison in my opinion. Design wasn't with the open top as the first priority on the CLE compared to the SL, the SL is also more streamlined.
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07-07-2023, 09:42 PM
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While this is true, the windscreen of the CLE will be as useless as the one in the S-Class cab. In these large tub 4 seat cabriolets, there is just more wind buffeting unless the rear seats are also covered by a net.
If the SL would have stayed as a 2 seater, they would have had an effective electric screen like the old SL but with even tiny rear seats that will need to be covered.
The 911 has an elegant solution but that only worked by cutting off half the backrest and having no headrests in the rear. Granted not a big deal as nobody ever sits in the rear
In the new SL, they simply used the BMW 8 Series style. Ugly, clumsy, but effective...
If the SL would have stayed as a 2 seater, they would have had an effective electric screen like the old SL but with even tiny rear seats that will need to be covered.
The 911 has an elegant solution but that only worked by cutting off half the backrest and having no headrests in the rear. Granted not a big deal as nobody ever sits in the rear
In the new SL, they simply used the BMW 8 Series style. Ugly, clumsy, but effective...
Anyways, the SL is built to be sporty with luxury in mind the CLE is built to be luxury with sporty in mind. Different cars for different folks' wants and needs.
07-08-2023, 01:34 AM
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Nobody is or ever will be in the rear seats of my SL, so I just keep the windscreen affixed and reach behind me to put it up or down.
07-08-2023, 10:33 AM
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Not sure why the CLE bashing. My E53 Cab is my daily driver. It’s plenty fast and loud, and looks great. The back seat is very important, in addition to housing two sets of golf clubs in the trunk with the top down. SL is like my motorcycle, drive on nice weekends usually by myself. Both have a place and function.
07-09-2023, 12:58 PM
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Not sure why the CLE bashing. My E53 Cab is my daily driver. It’s plenty fast and loud, and looks great. The back seat is very important, in addition to housing two sets of golf clubs in the trunk with the top down. SL is like my motorcycle, drive on nice weekends usually by myself. Both have a place and function.
07-09-2023, 05:48 PM
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Yes actually the Bronco’s top and doors come off. It’s a manual tranny too. Fun
