SL/R232: Mercedes-AMG Unveils SL 43
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you don’t need a pole. If he/she reads their own information it would help. There
is an electric motor making power and that power propels the car, so it counts.
i understand where he/she is getting confused. Both gas and electric produce Hp and torque based upon their own mechanics and programming. And they aren’t designed to peak at the same time. I’m saying given the low rpm of peak torque from the gas engine 1750rpm, that they do for a 10 sec period until the electric motor disengages.
I will find a graph for both so you can see.
I drive an E53 with the same system and there were graphs in 2019. I do agree MBUSA is presenting this information differently now which is part of Germancar1 confusion
is an electric motor making power and that power propels the car, so it counts.
i understand where he/she is getting confused. Both gas and electric produce Hp and torque based upon their own mechanics and programming. And they aren’t designed to peak at the same time. I’m saying given the low rpm of peak torque from the gas engine 1750rpm, that they do for a 10 sec period until the electric motor disengages.
I will find a graph for both so you can see.
I drive an E53 with the same system and there were graphs in 2019. I do agree MBUSA is presenting this information differently now which is part of Germancar1 confusion
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you don’t need a pole. If he/she reads their own information it would help. There
is an electric motor making power and that power propels the car, so it counts.
i understand where he/she is getting confused. Both gas and electric produce Hp and torque based upon their own mechanics and programming. And they aren’t designed to peak at the same time. I’m saying given the low rpm of peak torque from the gas engine 1750rpm, that they do for a 10 sec period until the electric motor disengages.
I will find a graph for both so you can see.
I drive an E53 with the same system and there were graphs in 2019. I do agree MBUSA is presenting this information differently now which is part of Germancar1 confusion
is an electric motor making power and that power propels the car, so it counts.
i understand where he/she is getting confused. Both gas and electric produce Hp and torque based upon their own mechanics and programming. And they aren’t designed to peak at the same time. I’m saying given the low rpm of peak torque from the gas engine 1750rpm, that they do for a 10 sec period until the electric motor disengages.
I will find a graph for both so you can see.
I drive an E53 with the same system and there were graphs in 2019. I do agree MBUSA is presenting this information differently now which is part of Germancar1 confusion
M
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All the EQ discussions aside, the 4 cylinder 43 variant has more power than the outgoing i6 53 engine. The 0-60 is equal to the old SL450 at 4.9sec, a disappointing number for some to be sure but good for many current SL owners. The car will be quicker than spec as usual anyways.
The new SL is just simply a much heavier and physically bigger car than before but the decent proportions of the R232 are hiding that fact well.
The new SL is just simply a much heavier and physically bigger car than before but the decent proportions of the R232 are hiding that fact well.
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Good as it may be for a four cylinder, I agree with others that this is the wrong application for it. Either of the I-6s would have been better in terms of torque and refinement in what will be a $100k+ GT car.
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^ The SL43 makes 381hp and 354tq. The E53 AMG I-6 makes 429hp and 384tq; the 43 barely makes more power, with less torque, than the non-AMG E450 (362hp and 369tq). And the range of I-6 engines is only a few years old; it is not outgoing any time soon…
Good as it may be for a four cylinder, I agree with others that this is the wrong application for it. Either of the I-6s would have been better in terms of torque and refinement in what will be a $100k+ GT car.
Good as it may be for a four cylinder, I agree with others that this is the wrong application for it. Either of the I-6s would have been better in terms of torque and refinement in what will be a $100k+ GT car.
And yes, don't expect the i6 to stick around in the long run. This is emissions driven, not age driven.
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I think everyone on this thread is in agreement that the i4 cheapens the SL name. They should have gone straight to full electric if the reason was corporate gas mileage goals, maybe they are trying for a younger buyer for the SL with a sub-$100k price. Cadillac had the problem that their customers were dying of old age with no new buyers coming up the ranks. SL may be suffering the same problem
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I think everyone on this thread is in agreement that the i4 cheapens the SL name. They should have gone straight to full electric if the reason was corporate gas mileage goals, maybe they are trying for a younger buyer for the SL with a sub-$100k price. Cadillac had the problem that their customers were dying of old age with no new buyers coming up the ranks. SL may be suffering the same problem
In regards to all electric, MB is going there at an accelerated pace but they are nowhere ready to have anything compelling and likely not even interested to invest resources or time. It's a small niche product, so hybrid and ICE are it...
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I've always bought the SL as a 'townie car', for the wife. Subdued driver, no expectations of performance. Rarely taken on highway. The electric would have been perfect as an introduction to non-ICE. The 43 will be adequate. Now, the soft top and small trunk are another matter. Unhappy
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I've always bought the SL as a 'townie car', for the wife. Subdued driver, no expectations of performance. Rarely taken on highway. The electric would have been perfect as an introduction to non-ICE. The 43 will be adequate. Now, the soft top and small trunk are another matter. Unhappy
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Forum member Eaton posted that in the SL thread: https://mbworld.org/forums/sl-class-...ml#post8792886
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"Canadian dealers of Mercedes-Benz vehicles are reporting that the automaker is considering revising its strategy for North America."
"The dealers attended a market-wide retailers meeting in Vancouver held in May and noted that the automaker was fretting about consumer hesitancy over expensive electric vehicles. Concerns centered around the ailing economy, which has been undermined by higher interest rates and ongoing inflation."
"Dealers also provided a taste of Mercedes' forthcoming lineup. The event showcased eight vehicles, including the redesigned E-Class sedan, AMG SL 43 roadster, and Maybach EQS. The brand likewise introduced the electric CLA sedan and GLC crossover, perhaps indicating that it would be dumping the EQ branding to roll EVs into the core lineup."
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