Germancar1

MBUSA isn't presenting the information any differently than anyone else, including Mercedes in Germany. You're just flat out wrong on the overall numbers and you don't seem to grasp what the system is doing and why they aren't counting up the HP and TQ figures the way that you are. The only person confused is you because you don't know what you're talking about. Yes the EQ system is making power, as a bridge to assist/aid the turbo charger getting up speed and when it gets up to speed it disengages therefore it isn't a part of peak power. There is no such graph or literature to support what you're saying because it doesn't exist. You're just plain confused, wrong and don't know what you're talking about.


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Germancar1

And you're WRONG. The peak torque for the E53 is 1800-5800 rpm and if you're saying 1750 is the peak for the EQ system then that means they aren't even at their peak at the same time. This is by your own logic. If the EQ system peaks at 1750 that is right before 1800 rpm torque peak of the I6 engine itself. Your own posts are proving what I have said from the start. Yeah post these graphs that show that the peak HP and TQ is more than what has been stated from day one. I'll wait.


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Wolfman

All the EQ discussions aside, the 4 cylinder 43 variant has more power than the outgoing i6 53 engine. The 0-60 is equal to the old SL450 at 4.9sec, a disappointing number for some to be sure but good for many current SL owners. The car will be quicker than spec as usual anyways.
The new SL is just simply a much heavier and physically bigger car than before but the decent proportions of the R232 are hiding that fact well.

Alan Smithee

^ The SL43 makes 381hp and 354tq. The E53 AMG I-6 makes 429hp and 384tq; the 43 barely makes more power, with less torque, than the non-AMG E450 (362hp and 369tq). And the range of I-6 engines is only a few years old; it is not outgoing any time soon…

Good as it may be for a four cylinder, I agree with others that this is the wrong application for it. Either of the I-6s would have been better in terms of torque and refinement in what will be a $100k+ GT car.

Wolfman

My bad. I meant the current i6 based 43 models, like the GT43, not the 53...
And yes, don't expect the i6 to stick around in the long run. This is emissions driven, not age driven.

Pennetta

I think everyone on this thread is in agreement that the i4 cheapens the SL name. They should have gone straight to full electric if the reason was corporate gas mileage goals, maybe they are trying for a younger buyer for the SL with a sub-$100k price. Cadillac had the problem that their customers were dying of old age with no new buyers coming up the ranks. SL may be suffering the same problem

Wolfman

I don't understand the comparison. AMG buyers are younger and have higher disposable incomes that the typical older S-Class and SL demographic. There are plenty of buyers as well; If this is an issue with Cadillac, it's not the case with MB.

In regards to all electric, MB is going there at an accelerated pace but they are nowhere ready to have anything compelling and likely not even interested to invest resources or time. It's a small niche product, so hybrid and ICE are it...

thunderbenz

WHY? Hard pass.

ILoveNY

ODER GUIDE?

docsout

I've always bought the SL as a 'townie car', for the wife. Subdued driver, no expectations of performance. Rarely taken on highway. The electric would have been perfect as an introduction to non-ICE. The 43 will be adequate. Now, the soft top and small trunk are another matter. Unhappy

ILoveNY

there is no electric convertible or roadster announced? not even a concept

W205C43PFL

Forum member Eaton posted that in the SL thread: https://mbworld.org/forums/sl-class-...ml#post8792886

W205C43PFL

You mean you don't like the 43 model? I am guessing they just want to replace the old SL 450 since they are no longer making regular MB model SL.

W205C43PFL

The platform is announced I think just no cars yet.

W205C43PFL

Might happen, if the reported information in this article is true: https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ca...ategy-44501698

"Canadian dealers of Mercedes-Benz vehicles are reporting that the automaker is considering revising its strategy for North America."

"The dealers attended a market-wide retailers meeting in Vancouver held in May and noted that the automaker was fretting about consumer hesitancy over expensive electric vehicles. Concerns centered around the ailing economy, which has been undermined by higher interest rates and ongoing inflation."

"Dealers also provided a taste of Mercedes' forthcoming lineup. The event showcased eight vehicles, including the redesigned E-Class sedan, AMG SL 43 roadster, and Maybach EQS. The brand likewise introduced the electric CLA sedan and GLC crossover, perhaps indicating that it would be dumping the EQ branding to roll EVs into the core lineup."

ILoveNY

SL43 will be 110k??? I don't think it will become a best seller

W205C43PFL

Ya that is fairly hefty but I guess the SL 43 replaces the base model SL 450 from last generation, forgot how much that car starts at?