SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: All-New Ferrari 458 Italia replaces F430! Pics & Article...
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All-New Ferrari 458 Italia replaces F430! Pics & Article...
Ok so finally we know the name, basic specs/stats, and some pics of what the new Ferrari that's replacing the F430 will be:
Its called the Ferrari 458 Italia, and it will be a good bit faster than the last F430, even a good bit faster than the 430 Scuderia....It has even better aerodynamics, weighs only 3,042 lbs., and the transmission shifts faster now that its a 7-Speed DSG... the engine's power has gone up from 483 HP on the F430 to 562 HP now.. the engine is now a larger 4.5 Liter unit, and its now Direct Injected.... it gets pretty good gas mileage and probably even puts out less pollution than the F430.. and most likely has even better throttle response and sound...
Ferrari said the original F430 could go 0 to 60 MPH in 4.0 seconds... but some magazines actually got 3.5 seconds.... so if we factor in a half-second conservative error in their stats... then Ferrari's 3.4 second quote for the new 0 to 60 on this 458 Italia is maybe more like 2.9 seconds... (Just the sheer HP to weight ratio is amazing here) ... How much does an SL 65 Black Series weigh? How much less does this Ferrari weigh than a 65 Black?
Also remember some magazines got 3.1 seconds for the 430 scuderia.. and this car has better aerodynamics, faster transmission, and more power... so 2.9 seconds is not unreasonable.... The Horsepower and speed wars are obviously only now starting.... Benz is about to come out with all-new bi-turbo DI engines, BMW going bi-turbo DI for its engines, porsche is going DSG and will continue to up their power stats too as well as rumours of using active aerodynamics all over their upcoming models... this will only get more interesting.... And since Dodge is going to keep the Viper... maybe they should go to some sort of very fast paddle-shift transmission with carbon brakes and a bi-turbo V-10 also to stay competitive with everyone else.... Also this means that its now War between Ferrari and Lambo again and the all-new next Murcielago will for sure have to make even the current LP-670 SV seem slow by comparison....
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/28/o...he-458-italia/
Its called the Ferrari 458 Italia, and it will be a good bit faster than the last F430, even a good bit faster than the 430 Scuderia....It has even better aerodynamics, weighs only 3,042 lbs., and the transmission shifts faster now that its a 7-Speed DSG... the engine's power has gone up from 483 HP on the F430 to 562 HP now.. the engine is now a larger 4.5 Liter unit, and its now Direct Injected.... it gets pretty good gas mileage and probably even puts out less pollution than the F430.. and most likely has even better throttle response and sound...
Ferrari said the original F430 could go 0 to 60 MPH in 4.0 seconds... but some magazines actually got 3.5 seconds.... so if we factor in a half-second conservative error in their stats... then Ferrari's 3.4 second quote for the new 0 to 60 on this 458 Italia is maybe more like 2.9 seconds... (Just the sheer HP to weight ratio is amazing here) ... How much does an SL 65 Black Series weigh? How much less does this Ferrari weigh than a 65 Black?
Also remember some magazines got 3.1 seconds for the 430 scuderia.. and this car has better aerodynamics, faster transmission, and more power... so 2.9 seconds is not unreasonable.... The Horsepower and speed wars are obviously only now starting.... Benz is about to come out with all-new bi-turbo DI engines, BMW going bi-turbo DI for its engines, porsche is going DSG and will continue to up their power stats too as well as rumours of using active aerodynamics all over their upcoming models... this will only get more interesting.... And since Dodge is going to keep the Viper... maybe they should go to some sort of very fast paddle-shift transmission with carbon brakes and a bi-turbo V-10 also to stay competitive with everyone else.... Also this means that its now War between Ferrari and Lambo again and the all-new next Murcielago will for sure have to make even the current LP-670 SV seem slow by comparison....
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/28/o...he-458-italia/
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And here's the Official Ferrari Press Release Info...
[Source: Ferrari]
ITALIA - Ferrari's innovative new V8
The 458 Italia is the latest incarnation of the mid-rear engined berlinetta and will be unveiled at the next Frankfurt Motor Show
Maranello, July 28th 2009 – While it's true that every Ferrari is innovative by definition, it's equally true that in the course of the Prancing Horse's history, certain cars have marked a genuine departure from the current range. This is very much the case with the Ferrari 458 Italia, which is a massive leap forward from the company's previous mid-rear engined sports cars.
The new model is a synthesis of style, creative flair, passion and cutting-edge technology, characteristics for which Italy as a nation is well-known. For this reason Ferrari chose to add the name of its homeland to the traditional figure representing the displacement and number of cylinders.
The Ferrari 458 Italia is a completely new car from every point of view: engine, design, aerodynamics, handling, instrumentation and ergonomics, just to name a few.
A two-seater berlinetta, the Ferrari 458 Italia, as is now traditional for all Ferrari's road-going cars, benefits hugely from the company's Formula 1 experience. This is particularly evident in the speed and precision with which the car responds to driver inputs and in the attention focused on reducing internal friction in the engine for lower fuel consumption than the F430, despite the fact that both overall displacement and power have increased. However, Ferrari's track experience makes its presence felt in the 458 Italia not only in terms of pure technological transfer but also on a more emotional level, because of the strong emphasis on creating an almost symbiotic relationship between driver and car. The 458 Italia features an innovative driving environment with a new kind of steering wheel and dashboard that is the direct result of racing practice. Once again input from Michael Schumacher - who was involved from the very start of the 458 Italia project - played an invaluable part.
The Ferrari 458 Italia's Pininfarina design provides further evidence of the complete departure from the past that this new car hails. The Ferrari 458 Italia has a compact, aerodynamic shape, underscoring the concepts of simplicity, efficiency and lightness that inspired the project. As with every Ferrari, the car's styling has been very heavily influenced by the requirements for aerodynamic efficiency, as can be seen from the downforce of 140 kg at 200km/h generated by the new model. The front features a single opening for the front grille and side air intakes, with aerodynamic sections and profiles designed to direct air to the coolant radiators and the new flat underbody. The nose also sports small aeroelastic winglets which generate downforce and, as speed rises, deform to reduce the section of the radiator inlets and cut drag.
The new 4499 cc V8 is the first Ferrari direct injection engine to be mid-rear mounted. It has a very low piston compression height typical of racing engines which contributed to achieving its compression ratio of 12.5:1. Equipped with the traditional flat-plane crankshaft, the engine delivers 570 CV at 9000 rpm and, with an outstanding power output of 127 CV/litre, sets a new benchmark not only for the whole Ferrari range and the history of company, but also for the entire market segment. Maximum torque is 540 Nm at 6000 rpm, over 80 per cent of which is available from 3250 rpm. Specific torque is a record 120 Nm/litre. However, what is truly extraordinary is the amount of torque available while still maintaining high levels of power at low revs.
The car's soundtrack is also typical Ferrari, with an exciting, powerful growl emerging from the engine before it channels through to the exhaust's three rear tailpipes.
The 458 Italia is equipped with the seven-speed dual-clutch transmission which increases performance whilst providing very smooth shifts even at full throttle. The engineers have developed specific, sportier gear ratios to match the power and torque curves of the new V8, guaranteeing high torque even at lower engine speeds and allowing the car to reach its maximum speed in top gear.
This new Ferrari is also a major leap forward when it comes to cutting emissions. Despite the fact that the new engine is significantly more powerful than the V8s that preceded it, the Ferrari 458 Italia produces just 320 g/km of CO2 and fuel consumption is 13.7 l/100 km (combined cycle), the best in the entire segment.
The engineers also focused on weight reduction during the design phase for similar reasons. Consequently, the Ferrari 458 Italia has a dry weight of 1380 kg with a power-to-weight ratio of 2.42 kg/CV. Weight distribution is also optimal with 58 per cent over the rear axle. The result of the engineers' endeavours can be summed up in to two simple statistics which together perfectly encapsulate the Ferrari 458 Italia's exceptional performance: 0-100 km/h acceleration in under 3.4 seconds and a maximum speed in excess of 325 km/h.
For the new chassis, once more in aluminium, Maranello's engineers incorporated various types of advanced alloys along with aerospace industry-derived manufacturing and bonding techniques.
With regard to vehicle dynamics, the Ferrari 458 Italia's suspension features twin wishbones at the front and a multi-link set-up at the rear tuned for maximum roadholding and superlative handling. Along with a more direct steering ratio, the 458 Italia thus offers extremely rapid turn-in and body control whilst maintaining superior ride comfort.
The integration of the E-Diff and F1-Trac (now controlled by the same ECU) and their respective mappings is even greater, resulting in a 32 per cent increase in longitudinal acceleration out of corners compared to previous models. The evolution of the control logic, with even faster and more accurate calculation of levels of grip, ensures even greater roadholding, better handling and ease of control on the limit.
The same ECU also governs the high-performance ABS, providing even more precise control over the logic threshold and greater efficiency. The brakes also feature a prefill function whereby the pistons in the callipers move the pads into contact with the discs on lift off to minimise delay in the brakes being applied. This combined with the ABS has cut the 100-0 km/h braking distance to a mere 32.5 metres.
The Ferrari 458 Italia's interior is another area of the car that exalts its sporty personality. The driver is welcomed by a new layout and a revolutionary ergonomic interface where the main controls are all clustered on the steering wheel.
With the Ferrari 458 Italia, Maranello has brought a highly distinctive new car to its 8-cylinder range. The company now offers two models that share a common, race-derived DNA, both exceptionally sporty and fun to drive in true Ferrari tradition, but aimed at two very different kinds of client. While the Ferrari California was created for owners requiring a more versatile sports car with a practical edge, the 458 Italia is designed for owners for whom the priority is uncompromising on-road performance with occasional track day capability, but who still demand a car that is useable in day-to-day driving like all Ferrari's recent models.
Ferrari 458 Italia – Technical specifications
Dimensions
Length 4527 mm (178.2 in.)
Width 1937 mm (76.3 in.)
Height 1213 mm (47.8 in.)
Wheelbase 2650 mm (104.3 in.)
Dry weight 1380 kg (3042 lbs)*
Weight/power ratio 2,42 kg/CV (7.16 lbs/kW)
Weight distribution fr/r 42%/58%
Engine
Type V8 – 90°
Displacement 4499 cc (274.5 cu in.)
Maximum power 570 CV (425 kW)** @ 9000 rpm
Maximum torque 540 Nm (398 lbs/ft) @ 6000 rpm
Specific power output 127 CV/l
Compression ratio 12.5:1
Tyres
Front 235/35 ZR20 8.5"
Rear 295/35 ZR20 10.5"
Performance
Maximum speed >325 km/h (>202 mph)
0-100 km/h
Fuel consumption + emissions
Fuel consumption*** 13.7 l/100 km
Emissions*** 320 g CO2/km
Gearbox
Dual-clutch, 7-speed F1
Electronics
E-Diff3, F1-Trac, high-performance ABS
* With forged wheels and Racing seats
** Including 5 CV of ram effect
*** Combined cycle (ECE+EUDC)
ITALIA - Ferrari's innovative new V8
The 458 Italia is the latest incarnation of the mid-rear engined berlinetta and will be unveiled at the next Frankfurt Motor Show
Maranello, July 28th 2009 – While it's true that every Ferrari is innovative by definition, it's equally true that in the course of the Prancing Horse's history, certain cars have marked a genuine departure from the current range. This is very much the case with the Ferrari 458 Italia, which is a massive leap forward from the company's previous mid-rear engined sports cars.
The new model is a synthesis of style, creative flair, passion and cutting-edge technology, characteristics for which Italy as a nation is well-known. For this reason Ferrari chose to add the name of its homeland to the traditional figure representing the displacement and number of cylinders.
The Ferrari 458 Italia is a completely new car from every point of view: engine, design, aerodynamics, handling, instrumentation and ergonomics, just to name a few.
A two-seater berlinetta, the Ferrari 458 Italia, as is now traditional for all Ferrari's road-going cars, benefits hugely from the company's Formula 1 experience. This is particularly evident in the speed and precision with which the car responds to driver inputs and in the attention focused on reducing internal friction in the engine for lower fuel consumption than the F430, despite the fact that both overall displacement and power have increased. However, Ferrari's track experience makes its presence felt in the 458 Italia not only in terms of pure technological transfer but also on a more emotional level, because of the strong emphasis on creating an almost symbiotic relationship between driver and car. The 458 Italia features an innovative driving environment with a new kind of steering wheel and dashboard that is the direct result of racing practice. Once again input from Michael Schumacher - who was involved from the very start of the 458 Italia project - played an invaluable part.
The Ferrari 458 Italia's Pininfarina design provides further evidence of the complete departure from the past that this new car hails. The Ferrari 458 Italia has a compact, aerodynamic shape, underscoring the concepts of simplicity, efficiency and lightness that inspired the project. As with every Ferrari, the car's styling has been very heavily influenced by the requirements for aerodynamic efficiency, as can be seen from the downforce of 140 kg at 200km/h generated by the new model. The front features a single opening for the front grille and side air intakes, with aerodynamic sections and profiles designed to direct air to the coolant radiators and the new flat underbody. The nose also sports small aeroelastic winglets which generate downforce and, as speed rises, deform to reduce the section of the radiator inlets and cut drag.
The new 4499 cc V8 is the first Ferrari direct injection engine to be mid-rear mounted. It has a very low piston compression height typical of racing engines which contributed to achieving its compression ratio of 12.5:1. Equipped with the traditional flat-plane crankshaft, the engine delivers 570 CV at 9000 rpm and, with an outstanding power output of 127 CV/litre, sets a new benchmark not only for the whole Ferrari range and the history of company, but also for the entire market segment. Maximum torque is 540 Nm at 6000 rpm, over 80 per cent of which is available from 3250 rpm. Specific torque is a record 120 Nm/litre. However, what is truly extraordinary is the amount of torque available while still maintaining high levels of power at low revs.
The car's soundtrack is also typical Ferrari, with an exciting, powerful growl emerging from the engine before it channels through to the exhaust's three rear tailpipes.
The 458 Italia is equipped with the seven-speed dual-clutch transmission which increases performance whilst providing very smooth shifts even at full throttle. The engineers have developed specific, sportier gear ratios to match the power and torque curves of the new V8, guaranteeing high torque even at lower engine speeds and allowing the car to reach its maximum speed in top gear.
This new Ferrari is also a major leap forward when it comes to cutting emissions. Despite the fact that the new engine is significantly more powerful than the V8s that preceded it, the Ferrari 458 Italia produces just 320 g/km of CO2 and fuel consumption is 13.7 l/100 km (combined cycle), the best in the entire segment.
The engineers also focused on weight reduction during the design phase for similar reasons. Consequently, the Ferrari 458 Italia has a dry weight of 1380 kg with a power-to-weight ratio of 2.42 kg/CV. Weight distribution is also optimal with 58 per cent over the rear axle. The result of the engineers' endeavours can be summed up in to two simple statistics which together perfectly encapsulate the Ferrari 458 Italia's exceptional performance: 0-100 km/h acceleration in under 3.4 seconds and a maximum speed in excess of 325 km/h.
For the new chassis, once more in aluminium, Maranello's engineers incorporated various types of advanced alloys along with aerospace industry-derived manufacturing and bonding techniques.
With regard to vehicle dynamics, the Ferrari 458 Italia's suspension features twin wishbones at the front and a multi-link set-up at the rear tuned for maximum roadholding and superlative handling. Along with a more direct steering ratio, the 458 Italia thus offers extremely rapid turn-in and body control whilst maintaining superior ride comfort.
The integration of the E-Diff and F1-Trac (now controlled by the same ECU) and their respective mappings is even greater, resulting in a 32 per cent increase in longitudinal acceleration out of corners compared to previous models. The evolution of the control logic, with even faster and more accurate calculation of levels of grip, ensures even greater roadholding, better handling and ease of control on the limit.
The same ECU also governs the high-performance ABS, providing even more precise control over the logic threshold and greater efficiency. The brakes also feature a prefill function whereby the pistons in the callipers move the pads into contact with the discs on lift off to minimise delay in the brakes being applied. This combined with the ABS has cut the 100-0 km/h braking distance to a mere 32.5 metres.
The Ferrari 458 Italia's interior is another area of the car that exalts its sporty personality. The driver is welcomed by a new layout and a revolutionary ergonomic interface where the main controls are all clustered on the steering wheel.
With the Ferrari 458 Italia, Maranello has brought a highly distinctive new car to its 8-cylinder range. The company now offers two models that share a common, race-derived DNA, both exceptionally sporty and fun to drive in true Ferrari tradition, but aimed at two very different kinds of client. While the Ferrari California was created for owners requiring a more versatile sports car with a practical edge, the 458 Italia is designed for owners for whom the priority is uncompromising on-road performance with occasional track day capability, but who still demand a car that is useable in day-to-day driving like all Ferrari's recent models.
Ferrari 458 Italia – Technical specifications
Dimensions
Length 4527 mm (178.2 in.)
Width 1937 mm (76.3 in.)
Height 1213 mm (47.8 in.)
Wheelbase 2650 mm (104.3 in.)
Dry weight 1380 kg (3042 lbs)*
Weight/power ratio 2,42 kg/CV (7.16 lbs/kW)
Weight distribution fr/r 42%/58%
Engine
Type V8 – 90°
Displacement 4499 cc (274.5 cu in.)
Maximum power 570 CV (425 kW)** @ 9000 rpm
Maximum torque 540 Nm (398 lbs/ft) @ 6000 rpm
Specific power output 127 CV/l
Compression ratio 12.5:1
Tyres
Front 235/35 ZR20 8.5"
Rear 295/35 ZR20 10.5"
Performance
Maximum speed >325 km/h (>202 mph)
0-100 km/h
Fuel consumption + emissions
Fuel consumption*** 13.7 l/100 km
Emissions*** 320 g CO2/km
Gearbox
Dual-clutch, 7-speed F1
Electronics
E-Diff3, F1-Trac, high-performance ABS
* With forged wheels and Racing seats
** Including 5 CV of ram effect
*** Combined cycle (ECE+EUDC)
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I love my sl55, no doubt about that but the new Ferrari 458 is pure beauty. I can appreciate a fine automobile any day of the week. Thanks for the info guys.
Next step will be to add wings, I think..
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I'm sure it will...
You're right they probably will be trading for way above sticker for a long time... especially because with the kind of acceleration, technology, and engineering thats put into it it'll probably beat an enzo all over the place and will most likely be alot faster than the conservative Ferrari press release stats suggest..... The interior looks alot more modern and state of the art too obviously than any other Ferrari ever by far....
Now its gonna be interesting what lambo counters with... maybe a Superleggera version of the new LP-560 will come not too long after the 458 Italia arrives..... They'll probably make it have over 600 HP, weigh a good bit less, handle even better, and have an even faster version of their e-gear transmission to stay competitive with this....
Another awesome thought is what will the 458 Italia Scuderia version be like?
Then again alot of people might say forget paying $400,000 for a 458 Italia when we can drop $100,000 on a 2012 model M5 (or a 2013 model E63 with the upcoming DI bi-turbo V-8?) with a 600+ HP DI bi-turbo engine and DSG, 4-wheel steering, possibly even KERS, and every other high-tech safety and luxury gadget imaginable.. then spend about $20,000 on some mild tuning upgrades and you'll probably have an 800 Horsepower M5 bi-turbo with a full warranty that can sit you plus your wife and 3 other people in the back seat.. .all for around $120,000 or so..... and who knows it might even keep up with a 458 Italia with all that torque and superfast transmission and high-tech gadgetry to help you out from launch control all the way on up to the top speed.....
Now its gonna be interesting what lambo counters with... maybe a Superleggera version of the new LP-560 will come not too long after the 458 Italia arrives..... They'll probably make it have over 600 HP, weigh a good bit less, handle even better, and have an even faster version of their e-gear transmission to stay competitive with this....
Another awesome thought is what will the 458 Italia Scuderia version be like?
Then again alot of people might say forget paying $400,000 for a 458 Italia when we can drop $100,000 on a 2012 model M5 (or a 2013 model E63 with the upcoming DI bi-turbo V-8?) with a 600+ HP DI bi-turbo engine and DSG, 4-wheel steering, possibly even KERS, and every other high-tech safety and luxury gadget imaginable.. then spend about $20,000 on some mild tuning upgrades and you'll probably have an 800 Horsepower M5 bi-turbo with a full warranty that can sit you plus your wife and 3 other people in the back seat.. .all for around $120,000 or so..... and who knows it might even keep up with a 458 Italia with all that torque and superfast transmission and high-tech gadgetry to help you out from launch control all the way on up to the top speed.....
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You're right they probably will be trading for way above sticker for a long time... especially because with the kind of acceleration, technology, and engineering thats put into it it'll probably beat an enzo all over the place and will most likely be alot faster than the conservative Ferrari press release stats suggest..... The interior looks alot more modern and state of the art too obviously than any other Ferrari ever by far....
Now its gonna be interesting what lambo counters with... maybe a Superleggera version of the new LP-560 will come not too long after the 458 Italia arrives..... They'll probably make it have over 600 HP, weigh a good bit less, handle even better, and have an even faster version of their e-gear transmission to stay competitive with this....
Another awesome thought is what will the 458 Italia Scuderia version be like?
Then again alot of people might say forget paying $400,000 for a 458 Italia when we can drop $100,000 on a 2012 model M5 (or a 2013 model E63 with the upcoming DI bi-turbo V-8?) with a 600+ HP DI bi-turbo engine and DSG, 4-wheel steering, possibly even KERS, and every other high-tech safety and luxury gadget imaginable.. then spend about $20,000 on some mild tuning upgrades and you'll probably have an 800 Horsepower M5 bi-turbo with a full warranty that can sit you plus your wife and 3 other people in the back seat.. .all for around $120,000 or so..... and who knows it might even keep up with a 458 Italia with all that torque and superfast transmission and high-tech gadgetry to help you out from launch control all the way on up to the top speed.....
Now its gonna be interesting what lambo counters with... maybe a Superleggera version of the new LP-560 will come not too long after the 458 Italia arrives..... They'll probably make it have over 600 HP, weigh a good bit less, handle even better, and have an even faster version of their e-gear transmission to stay competitive with this....
Another awesome thought is what will the 458 Italia Scuderia version be like?
Then again alot of people might say forget paying $400,000 for a 458 Italia when we can drop $100,000 on a 2012 model M5 (or a 2013 model E63 with the upcoming DI bi-turbo V-8?) with a 600+ HP DI bi-turbo engine and DSG, 4-wheel steering, possibly even KERS, and every other high-tech safety and luxury gadget imaginable.. then spend about $20,000 on some mild tuning upgrades and you'll probably have an 800 Horsepower M5 bi-turbo with a full warranty that can sit you plus your wife and 3 other people in the back seat.. .all for around $120,000 or so..... and who knows it might even keep up with a 458 Italia with all that torque and superfast transmission and high-tech gadgetry to help you out from launch control all the way on up to the top speed.....
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True, buying an exotic is not about performance only. Performance at a certain min threshold has to be there of course; but things like exclusivity, history of the marque, innovations, head turner factor, and ultimately the feeling they give you when you drive them or look at them...all play a big part...
if performance was the only determinant in an "exotic" or "supercar" than every modded supra, rx-7, civic, audi, or nissan out there making big power would be considered one...and that's simply not the case due to other intangible factors (like the ones I mentioned above)
if performance was the only determinant in an "exotic" or "supercar" than every modded supra, rx-7, civic, audi, or nissan out there making big power would be considered one...and that's simply not the case due to other intangible factors (like the ones I mentioned above)
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Direct comparo will be 458 vs SLS and both are 1Q10 US launches
SLS has far more tq for real-world accel (~50lb-ft more than 599 let alone the tq-free 458)
Rumors of SLS NBR time put it in 997GT2 league; let's see what SportAuto finds
F always exaggerates how light their cars are...458 will likely weigh about 3400lbs vs 3700lbs for SLS (if both measured w/fluids, driver, etc etc)...GT2 is maybe 3200lbs
Loaded SLS sounds like a ?$200K car vs ?$300K for a loaded 458
Hard to properly value F's legendarily inept safety engineering...post-crash life in a wheelchair or with other disabilities just ain't very sexy; any monkey engineer can develop a fast car if allowed to ignore safety/daily-useability, but AMG and P manage to engineer advanced safety tech (and daily-useability) into their perf cars which deliver comparable or superior NBR times
Suspect many repeat AMG/F buyers will get a copy of each to do own back-to-backs...and let's see if 997GT2 v2.0 might not be released in CY10 as well...isn't ever-advancing tech and competition great to see among the Big 3?
SLS has far more tq for real-world accel (~50lb-ft more than 599 let alone the tq-free 458)
Rumors of SLS NBR time put it in 997GT2 league; let's see what SportAuto finds
F always exaggerates how light their cars are...458 will likely weigh about 3400lbs vs 3700lbs for SLS (if both measured w/fluids, driver, etc etc)...GT2 is maybe 3200lbs
Loaded SLS sounds like a ?$200K car vs ?$300K for a loaded 458
Hard to properly value F's legendarily inept safety engineering...post-crash life in a wheelchair or with other disabilities just ain't very sexy; any monkey engineer can develop a fast car if allowed to ignore safety/daily-useability, but AMG and P manage to engineer advanced safety tech (and daily-useability) into their perf cars which deliver comparable or superior NBR times
Suspect many repeat AMG/F buyers will get a copy of each to do own back-to-backs...and let's see if 997GT2 v2.0 might not be released in CY10 as well...isn't ever-advancing tech and competition great to see among the Big 3?
07-31-2009, 12:31 AM
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I like it but I prefer the 599 GTB. I picked up my SL65 today (after some mods...more on that later) and there was this beautiful red 599GTB in all its red and carbon fiber glory.
No mistaking it the the new 458 will probably be awe inspiring but there is something so sensual, mature, and sophisticated about the 599. Add some Novatech tuning and an already blistering piece of machinery will make it downright evil.
I NEED to have this in my future stable...life is too short...I'd take mine in black with a blood red interior with copious amounts of carbon fiber. I better get my **** back to work...
No mistaking it the the new 458 will probably be awe inspiring but there is something so sensual, mature, and sophisticated about the 599. Add some Novatech tuning and an already blistering piece of machinery will make it downright evil.
I NEED to have this in my future stable...life is too short...I'd take mine in black with a blood red interior with copious amounts of carbon fiber. I better get my **** back to work...
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Direct comparo will be 458 vs SLS and both are 1Q10 US launches
SLS has far more tq for real-world accel (~50lb-ft more than 599 let alone the tq-free 458)
Rumors of SLS NBR time put it in 997GT2 league; let's see what SportAuto finds
F always exaggerates how light their cars are...458 will likely weigh about 3400lbs vs 3700lbs for SLS (if both measured w/fluids, driver, etc etc)...GT2 is maybe 3200lbs
Loaded SLS sounds like a ?$200K car vs ?$300K for a loaded 458
Hard to properly value F's legendarily inept safety engineering...post-crash life in a wheelchair or with other disabilities just ain't very sexy; any monkey engineer can develop a fast car if allowed to ignore safety/daily-useability, but AMG and P manage to engineer advanced safety tech (and daily-useability) into their perf cars which deliver comparable or superior NBR times
Suspect many repeat AMG/F buyers will get a copy of each to do own back-to-backs...and let's see if 997GT2 v2.0 might not be released in CY10 as well...isn't ever-advancing tech and competition great to see among the Big 3?
SLS has far more tq for real-world accel (~50lb-ft more than 599 let alone the tq-free 458)
Rumors of SLS NBR time put it in 997GT2 league; let's see what SportAuto finds
F always exaggerates how light their cars are...458 will likely weigh about 3400lbs vs 3700lbs for SLS (if both measured w/fluids, driver, etc etc)...GT2 is maybe 3200lbs
Loaded SLS sounds like a ?$200K car vs ?$300K for a loaded 458
Hard to properly value F's legendarily inept safety engineering...post-crash life in a wheelchair or with other disabilities just ain't very sexy; any monkey engineer can develop a fast car if allowed to ignore safety/daily-useability, but AMG and P manage to engineer advanced safety tech (and daily-useability) into their perf cars which deliver comparable or superior NBR times
Suspect many repeat AMG/F buyers will get a copy of each to do own back-to-backs...and let's see if 997GT2 v2.0 might not be released in CY10 as well...isn't ever-advancing tech and competition great to see among the Big 3?
Not long ago you tried to diss SLS as "mediocre ,sub par piece of engineering".
Give it a rest,everyone already knows that the CL you have (do you really?) at the moment is the best thing in the World.
Oh,and Veyron is also a piece of "crappy engineering by VW" as you claimed.
Step down from that high horse of yours,it gets boring.
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For your viewing enjoyment
Personally, I have driven my SL55 for 3 years. THIS IS WHAT I WANT.
So yes. This thread belongs HERE.
This car is a monster. Suddenly I am feeling very Italian.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cE1GrG6dT0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypSUa...1&feature=fvwp
Personally, I have driven my SL55 for 3 years. THIS IS WHAT I WANT.
So yes. This thread belongs HERE.
This car is a monster. Suddenly I am feeling very Italian.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cE1GrG6dT0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypSUa...1&feature=fvwp
07-31-2009, 08:11 PM
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'05 SL 55 Black/Black w/mods from Eurocharged/Kleemann/BuckheadImports
Just to get a small taste...
And just to get a small taste of what the 458 Italia will probably sound like... here is a vid of two dudes gunning it around in their 360 CS and 430 Scuderia.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyrE15q7LSw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyrE15q7LSw
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