SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: Turbo Size's and Make question?
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[QUOTE=RaceHorse;5585526][quote=GotTheBenz;5585443]
Hey pal get a life... 70% of your posts keep defending Speedriven, let it go. ... You are an embarrassment to other Americans with your pompous attitude. "
From GotTheBenz:
"70%", are you sure it's not something more like 69%?
Intelligent men backs up their claim with EVIDENCE.
IE; you proudly display your EVIDENCE of 1/4 mile,etc.
So, show EVIDENCE where I am as you say, "defending" Speedriven?
Or...in your world, if a judge asks a plaintiff for EVIDENCE of their accusations against a defendent---then that
judge is "defending" the defendent?
As for, as you say, "embarassment to Americans".
Well, you may want to look up and see the AMERICAN FREEDOM of SPEECH waiving above your head
You're trying to "shut my mouth" is the REAL embarrassment to all those
who fought and sacrificed for this AMERICAN RIGHT. You've spit on their graves "pal"
And, thank your lucky stars that we still have a country where that
Right of Freedom isn't repressed by small-minds as you
AND....we still have a base of intelligent people that looks at EVIDENCE
for truth. Not mere opinions and claims deserving of the dark-ages.
So, an intelligent person makes their claim and backs up with EVIDENCE.
"70% defending Speedriven..."? STEP Up with EVIDENCE. Or, by default, you've chosen to step down.
Hey pal get a life... 70% of your posts keep defending Speedriven, let it go. ... You are an embarrassment to other Americans with your pompous attitude. "
From GotTheBenz:
"70%", are you sure it's not something more like 69%?
Intelligent men backs up their claim with EVIDENCE.
IE; you proudly display your EVIDENCE of 1/4 mile,etc.
So, show EVIDENCE where I am as you say, "defending" Speedriven?
Or...in your world, if a judge asks a plaintiff for EVIDENCE of their accusations against a defendent---then that
judge is "defending" the defendent?
As for, as you say, "embarassment to Americans".
Well, you may want to look up and see the AMERICAN FREEDOM of SPEECH waiving above your head
You're trying to "shut my mouth" is the REAL embarrassment to all those
who fought and sacrificed for this AMERICAN RIGHT. You've spit on their graves "pal"
And, thank your lucky stars that we still have a country where that
Right of Freedom isn't repressed by small-minds as you
AND....we still have a base of intelligent people that looks at EVIDENCE
for truth. Not mere opinions and claims deserving of the dark-ages.
So, an intelligent person makes their claim and backs up with EVIDENCE.
"70% defending Speedriven..."? STEP Up with EVIDENCE. Or, by default, you've chosen to step down.
Last edited by GotTheBenz; Mar 20, 2013 at 09:44 PM.
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[QUOTE=NEMES1S;5585605]
"+1
not every post needs to be analyzed and critiqued."
From GotTheBenz:
+1.
I agree, not "every" post has to...
However, I believe (my opinion) that EVERY post that is filled with negative
claims (without EVIDENCE) against a quality sponsor here---must be called out.
Since you're not a quality sponsor (as I am not), you may not yet undertand:
Negative posts (without EVIDENCE) is called Slander, and slander hurts
that quality vendor's family and their well being. Is that goodness?
No, stealing from another man's table, taking his children's food is EVIL.
How would you like it if a hacker slashed into your bank accounts with his virus?
Well, slander is a serious virus against a company and their people's well being.
Do you not realize that's why company's that can afford to---DEFEND SLANDER TO NO ENDS.
Slander against quality vendors here---hurts even this site.
Guess who pays to allow all of us to exchange our thoughts here?
I don't care if it's Speedriven or another quality vendor, or even a
quality member here that I don't know. I'll call out slanderous
against them.
Why would I spend my valuable time to do that...?
"Evil exists because good men do nothing." --Edmund Burke
"+1
not every post needs to be analyzed and critiqued."
From GotTheBenz:
+1.
I agree, not "every" post has to...
However, I believe (my opinion) that EVERY post that is filled with negative
claims (without EVIDENCE) against a quality sponsor here---must be called out.
Since you're not a quality sponsor (as I am not), you may not yet undertand:
Negative posts (without EVIDENCE) is called Slander, and slander hurts
that quality vendor's family and their well being. Is that goodness?
No, stealing from another man's table, taking his children's food is EVIL.
How would you like it if a hacker slashed into your bank accounts with his virus?
Well, slander is a serious virus against a company and their people's well being.
Do you not realize that's why company's that can afford to---DEFEND SLANDER TO NO ENDS.
Slander against quality vendors here---hurts even this site.
Guess who pays to allow all of us to exchange our thoughts here?
I don't care if it's Speedriven or another quality vendor, or even a
quality member here that I don't know. I'll call out slanderous
against them.Why would I spend my valuable time to do that...?
"Evil exists because good men do nothing." --Edmund Burke
Last edited by GotTheBenz; Mar 20, 2013 at 10:50 PM.
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Quote AMG-Driver (edited):
"This shows me, that here are also People...that they are
open-minded for different solutions... "
Quote AMG-Driver to DCMETRO22Z (edited):
"...Speedriven's package will NOT last...not in SL600. I know secrets you don't..."
From GotTheBenz:
AMG-Driver,
I've decided to continue my alignment with your appreciation
for as you say, "opened-minded" for "solutions".
You may agree too, that opened-minded doesn't mean NAIVE.
For wouldn't it be NAIVE to accept what you claimed to DCMETRO22Z
above, without any EVIDENCE from you?
I'm sure you're not expecting blind NAIVE from anyone here.
If I made a hard-claim that the world was flat. And you accepted that
claim as fact without evidence; would that make you opened-minded or naive?
Also, since you're promoting "solutions". You may agree that
claims without evidence don't offer solutions at all, but merely
CONFUSES those who are honestly seeking real world historical results.
Therefore, since I (and others) are indeed looking for as you say
"solutions" for our V12's... And want to be open-minded
to review EVIDENCE.So in following your own wishes. Would you please provide
HARD EVIDENCE to back up your claim to DCMETRO22Z:
"Speedriven package will NOT last...not in SL600." --AMG-Driver
My request is simple, it's fair, it's honest without contempt.
And again, is aligned with your spirit of "open-minded" and "solutions".
Thank you in advance for your detailed, forth-coming test data to EVIDENCE your claim
-G
Last edited by GotTheBenz; Mar 21, 2013 at 11:43 PM.
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At least I see no further rants in your last post, so I think you have thought a little bit about your terminology...
I learned a little bit about the Tuning Branche over the last years. This is my personal opinion, everyone can make his own conclusion.
It is not a clean and transparent business. And even if you think you may have clear evidence like dyno-numbers, MPH 1/4 mile, the discussion starts again and again and again.
If one Tuner is good and honest the next one trys to cheat with different Fuel, different Dyno-Calibration and even XXX, and he trys to get the customers.
I have collected quite a lot of database about the M275 over the years.
I have dyno-sheets from a reputated German Tuner making North of 850 reliable RWP (no Problems in this car up to date for 3 Years), Videos and proven MPH of 1/4 Mile runs and High-Speed-Runs and also Numbers of IAT etc. at V-Max. I know that it can be done with the big Turbos.
But I Don'T want to get into a DIRT DISCUSSION here in MBWorld, at least not at this moment and in THIS Thread. Maybe I will chime in, when everything has calmed down a little bit.
As for the SL600 Statement, it comes from MB Engine Development. A clever tuner can do the research, which parts AMG have changed in the 65 Engine.
Enjoy your Cars!
I learned a little bit about the Tuning Branche over the last years. This is my personal opinion, everyone can make his own conclusion.
It is not a clean and transparent business. And even if you think you may have clear evidence like dyno-numbers, MPH 1/4 mile, the discussion starts again and again and again.
If one Tuner is good and honest the next one trys to cheat with different Fuel, different Dyno-Calibration and even XXX, and he trys to get the customers.
I have collected quite a lot of database about the M275 over the years.
I have dyno-sheets from a reputated German Tuner making North of 850 reliable RWP (no Problems in this car up to date for 3 Years), Videos and proven MPH of 1/4 Mile runs and High-Speed-Runs and also Numbers of IAT etc. at V-Max. I know that it can be done with the big Turbos.
But I Don'T want to get into a DIRT DISCUSSION here in MBWorld, at least not at this moment and in THIS Thread. Maybe I will chime in, when everything has calmed down a little bit.
As for the SL600 Statement, it comes from MB Engine Development. A clever tuner can do the research, which parts AMG have changed in the 65 Engine.
Enjoy your Cars!
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I wonder how much speedriven pay "you" to keep backing them in this forum LOL!!!
We all know who is dbasson, and what he already achieved and why would he lied about the tcu...
Your word is just non-sense, if you really like that speedriven go marry marcin and maybe your life may get a free quality tune and cheaper than renntech to a better one HAHAHA
No matter how much you praised and love to lick their a**, that tuner never win against weistec, renntech, gad...
We all know who is dbasson, and what he already achieved and why would he lied about the tcu...
Your word is just non-sense, if you really like that speedriven go marry marcin and maybe your life may get a free quality tune and cheaper than renntech to a better one HAHAHA
No matter how much you praised and love to lick their a**, that tuner never win against weistec, renntech, gad...
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[QUOTE=AMG-Driver;5587180] (edited)
"...This is my personal opinion, everyone can make his own conclusion.
If one Tuner is good....next one trys to cheat...to get the customers.
But I Don'T want to get into a DIRT DISCUSSION here in MBWorld...
As for the SL600 Statement, it comes from MB Engine Development. "
From GotTheBenz:
AMG-Driver,
Appreciate what you shared above. And I noted that you were more
responsible with your own wording by caveating with "opinion". Bravo
Again, in aligning with your appreciation for "open-minded" and "solutions".
Sounds like we both can agree that "openminded" doesn't mean NAIVE.
So with a spirit to study the EVIDENCE so I (nor others) don't as you say,
"cheated" by a tuner. Please with good spirit read the following:
Both your opinions and claims above, made me pause to look. Thank you
Yet, when I did. I saw no real evidence that supports your claim that,
"Speedriven will NOT work...in SL600. I know secrets." --AMG-Driver
Agree with you that I don't as well, want to have as you say, "DIRT DISCUSSIONS."
That's precisely why people with openedminds simply wants to review
hard-evidence vs opinions, slanders and bias'. Thus my ORIGINAL point of thread.
So please take my following questions for evidence with openmindedness:
Isn't your claim of what allegedly MB Development said, isn't so much
evidence--but just here-say? And is here-say evidence? Not in U.S.
An official letter from MB Development would be good evidence.
Do you have such document? I don't ask in ill-will, just in openmindedness for evidence.
If I make a claim that the MBW Forum gave me cancer. And I "say" that
The U.S Cancer Institute "said so" to me. That alone, makes my claim credible? Not in U.S.
Also, another honest question: Do you, have you, or any direct person you know,
have tested, driven-rigorously, an Speedriven SL600 or two...?? What's your direct findings?
Wouldn't you presenting that kind of evidence of empirical data be more food for openminds?
So in the spirit of open-minded--not naive, could you help me (others)
by providing us with actual evidence of your Speedriven claims?
Thank you again, and in advance for your forth coming evidence
"...This is my personal opinion, everyone can make his own conclusion.
If one Tuner is good....next one trys to cheat...to get the customers.
But I Don'T want to get into a DIRT DISCUSSION here in MBWorld...
As for the SL600 Statement, it comes from MB Engine Development. "
From GotTheBenz:
AMG-Driver,
Appreciate what you shared above. And I noted that you were more
responsible with your own wording by caveating with "opinion". Bravo
Again, in aligning with your appreciation for "open-minded" and "solutions".
Sounds like we both can agree that "openminded" doesn't mean NAIVE.
So with a spirit to study the EVIDENCE so I (nor others) don't as you say,
"cheated" by a tuner. Please with good spirit read the following:
Both your opinions and claims above, made me pause to look. Thank you
Yet, when I did. I saw no real evidence that supports your claim that,
"Speedriven will NOT work...in SL600. I know secrets." --AMG-Driver
Agree with you that I don't as well, want to have as you say, "DIRT DISCUSSIONS."
That's precisely why people with openedminds simply wants to review
hard-evidence vs opinions, slanders and bias'. Thus my ORIGINAL point of thread.
So please take my following questions for evidence with openmindedness:
Isn't your claim of what allegedly MB Development said, isn't so much
evidence--but just here-say? And is here-say evidence? Not in U.S.
An official letter from MB Development would be good evidence.
Do you have such document? I don't ask in ill-will, just in openmindedness for evidence.
If I make a claim that the MBW Forum gave me cancer. And I "say" that
The U.S Cancer Institute "said so" to me. That alone, makes my claim credible? Not in U.S.
Also, another honest question: Do you, have you, or any direct person you know,
have tested, driven-rigorously, an Speedriven SL600 or two...?? What's your direct findings?
Wouldn't you presenting that kind of evidence of empirical data be more food for openminds?
So in the spirit of open-minded--not naive, could you help me (others)
by providing us with actual evidence of your Speedriven claims?
Thank you again, and in advance for your forth coming evidence
Last edited by GotTheBenz; Mar 22, 2013 at 05:30 PM.
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[quote=GotTheBenz;5587706]
Quote AMG-Driver (edited):
"This shows me, that here are also People...that they are
open-minded for different solutions... "
Quote AMG-Driver to DCMETRO22Z (edited):
"...Speedriven's package will NOT last...not in SL600. I know secrets you don't..."
From GotTheBenz:
Greetings AMG-driver,
It's now been over two weeks that you've not accepted the invitation to provide EVIDENCE to
back-up your "seemingly" conclusive claims above, that "Speedriven's package will not...."
This fair request is in alignment with your appreciation of, as you
said, "open-minded". Note: An open-mind is opened to evidence not slander...
Surely, you would intelligently agree ; that only an naive-mind would
just accept heresay, rumors and unsubstantiated statements...
So what it seems to boil down to is three sources for EVIDENCE:
a.You provide that MB development letter you spoke of
b.You provide detailed emperical data on your own Speedriven MB
c.You provide other emperical data of Speedriven MB owners in your area
*Or, please provide any other EVIDENCE you may have so that
our open-minds can review such.
Lastly, your continued inabilty to provide evidence, and/or
derail this fair evidence request by any sorts of personal attacks, would
show EVIDENCE too---that you simply have NO evidence for your claims.
Please keep an open-mind to this fair, respectful invitation for evidence
(edited)
"...This is my personal opinion, everyone can make his own conclusion.
If one Tuner is good....next one trys to cheat...to get the customers.
But I Don'T want to get into a DIRT DISCUSSION here in MBWorld...
As for the SL600 Statement, it comes from MB Engine Development. "
From GotTheBenz:
AMG-Driver,
Appreciate what you shared above. And I noted that you were more
responsible with your own wording by caveating with "opinion". Bravo
Again, in aligning with your appreciation for "open-minded" and "solutions".
Sounds like we both can agree that "openminded" doesn't mean NAIVE.
So with a spirit to study the EVIDENCE so I (nor others) don't as you say,
"cheated" by a tuner. Please with good spirit read the following:
Both your opinions and claims above, made me pause to look. Thank you
Yet, when I did. I saw no real evidence that supports your claim that,
"Speedriven will NOT work...in SL600. I know secrets." --AMG-Driver
Agree with you that I don't as well, want to have as you say, "DIRT DISCUSSIONS."
That's precisely why people with openedminds simply wants to review
hard-evidence vs opinions, slanders and bias'. Thus my ORIGINAL point of thread.
So please take my following questions for evidence with openmindedness:
Isn't your claim of what allegedly MB Development said, isn't so much
evidence--but just here-say? And is here-say evidence? Not in U.S.
An official letter from MB Development would be good evidence.
Do you have such document? I don't ask in ill-will, just in openmindedness for evidence.
If I make a claim that the MBW Forum gave me cancer. And I "say" that
The U.S Cancer Institute "said so" to me. That alone, makes my claim credible? Not in U.S.
Also, another honest question: Do you, have you, or any direct person you know,
have tested, driven-rigorously, an Speedriven SL600 or two...?? What's your direct findings?
Wouldn't you presenting that kind of evidence of empirical data be more food for openminds?
So in the spirit of open-minded--not naive, could you help me (others)
by providing us with actual evidence of your Speedriven claims?
Thank you again, and in advance for your forth coming evidence
"...This is my personal opinion, everyone can make his own conclusion.
If one Tuner is good....next one trys to cheat...to get the customers.
But I Don'T want to get into a DIRT DISCUSSION here in MBWorld...
As for the SL600 Statement, it comes from MB Engine Development. "
From GotTheBenz:
AMG-Driver,
Appreciate what you shared above. And I noted that you were more
responsible with your own wording by caveating with "opinion". Bravo
Again, in aligning with your appreciation for "open-minded" and "solutions".
Sounds like we both can agree that "openminded" doesn't mean NAIVE.
So with a spirit to study the EVIDENCE so I (nor others) don't as you say,
"cheated" by a tuner. Please with good spirit read the following:
Both your opinions and claims above, made me pause to look. Thank you
Yet, when I did. I saw no real evidence that supports your claim that,
"Speedriven will NOT work...in SL600. I know secrets." --AMG-Driver
Agree with you that I don't as well, want to have as you say, "DIRT DISCUSSIONS."
That's precisely why people with openedminds simply wants to review
hard-evidence vs opinions, slanders and bias'. Thus my ORIGINAL point of thread.
So please take my following questions for evidence with openmindedness:
Isn't your claim of what allegedly MB Development said, isn't so much
evidence--but just here-say? And is here-say evidence? Not in U.S.
An official letter from MB Development would be good evidence.
Do you have such document? I don't ask in ill-will, just in openmindedness for evidence.
If I make a claim that the MBW Forum gave me cancer. And I "say" that
The U.S Cancer Institute "said so" to me. That alone, makes my claim credible? Not in U.S.
Also, another honest question: Do you, have you, or any direct person you know,
have tested, driven-rigorously, an Speedriven SL600 or two...?? What's your direct findings?
Wouldn't you presenting that kind of evidence of empirical data be more food for openminds?
So in the spirit of open-minded--not naive, could you help me (others)
by providing us with actual evidence of your Speedriven claims?
Thank you again, and in advance for your forth coming evidence
Quote AMG-Driver (edited):
"This shows me, that here are also People...that they are
open-minded for different solutions... "
Quote AMG-Driver to DCMETRO22Z (edited):
"...Speedriven's package will NOT last...not in SL600. I know secrets you don't..."
From GotTheBenz:
Greetings AMG-driver,
It's now been over two weeks that you've not accepted the invitation to provide EVIDENCE to
back-up your "seemingly" conclusive claims above, that "Speedriven's package will not...."
This fair request is in alignment with your appreciation of, as you
said, "open-minded". Note: An open-mind is opened to evidence not slander...
Surely, you would intelligently agree ; that only an naive-mind would
just accept heresay, rumors and unsubstantiated statements...
So what it seems to boil down to is three sources for EVIDENCE:
a.You provide that MB development letter you spoke of
b.You provide detailed emperical data on your own Speedriven MB
c.You provide other emperical data of Speedriven MB owners in your area
*Or, please provide any other EVIDENCE you may have so that
our open-minds can review such.
Lastly, your continued inabilty to provide evidence, and/or
derail this fair evidence request by any sorts of personal attacks, would
show EVIDENCE too---that you simply have NO evidence for your claims.
Please keep an open-mind to this fair, respectful invitation for evidence
Last edited by GotTheBenz; Apr 10, 2013 at 02:12 AM.
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Do you seriously think, MB gives a written letter to someone up to what HP you can stress the V12-Engine of the 600? This person would loose his job.
BMW, Audi and Porsche is watching!
Secondly it depends on far too many variables, how many KM/Miles an engine will last.
I think it would have been better, not to mention this information here in the open Forum. For this I apologize. But I can not take it back.
Maybe also Speedriven has found a solution for the 600. Who knows?
He says he has checked the 600 internals and it is o.k. for him for serious Power-Level.
We have to respect his Opinion. So this is o.k. for me.
BMW, Audi and Porsche is watching!
Secondly it depends on far too many variables, how many KM/Miles an engine will last.
I think it would have been better, not to mention this information here in the open Forum. For this I apologize. But I can not take it back.
Maybe also Speedriven has found a solution for the 600. Who knows?
He says he has checked the 600 internals and it is o.k. for him for serious Power-Level.
We have to respect his Opinion. So this is o.k. for me.
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SL65 AMG, X5-4.8i M-Sport, 530D, 528i
American's maybe experts in buying things for the american market.My SL600 was tuned by another German Quality Tuner, not MKB or Brabus. He has excellent connections to MB and AMG Factory Engine development.He knows how far you can go without changing engine internals of the M275, to stay safe and reliable in the longrun and even on the German Autobahn. From what I see Speeddriven does not know this. This is the difference of German Quality Tuning and American Tuning. By the way, every serious German Tuner offers Intercooler Upgrades for the M275, although they do not mention it on their websites. Some clients in Europe want their engine look like stock, mainly for warranty reasons.
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