SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: 2013 SL65
06-09-2012, 10:01 PM
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Thanks for info on torque tune upgrade.....I will peruse the websites of Kleeman, renntech, etc. for more info.......
What is your opinion on coil packs being over stressed and eventually failing when you upgrade with a tune? I have heard differing opinions on this forum......what is the real deal on this....
What is your opinion on coil packs being over stressed and eventually failing when you upgrade with a tune? I have heard differing opinions on this forum......what is the real deal on this....
Take my SL55 for instance, we have written all kinds of software, changed pulleys, etc., and the car hasn't skipped a beat in 9 years. These cars are tough.
06-09-2012, 10:50 PM
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Don't forget the SL65 will have a nicer interior. Better leather and diamond stiching. Not saying that's worth 50K by itself, but important to some. An AMG marketing rep told me that MB builds the 65s simply because of customer demand. Look at the G65. There's no practical reason for that to exist other than customers asked for it.
06-10-2012, 02:46 AM
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Also, I'm sure Brabus upgraded the clutch packs in the MCT at a huge additional cost. That is very likely considering the cost of the Brabus version is like double the stock version, lol.
They can do stuff like that because it is a super low production built-to-order car.
06-11-2012, 01:09 PM
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Rather than latch onto minor extras like better leather it's the important to
mention the big things.My 63 is over 3 years old, never put a foot wrong,
and in the spec it's in would be 8 grand more. I love both the V12 TT and
the V8. My job includes acoustics, and for some reason when you start
to remove exhaust bits from a V12 you obviously get more level, but you
also get a certain harshness, which increases the more bits you remove.
This happens on other V12's not just MB, that's why I think that MB keeps
the 600 and 65 quieter than the V8, a friend has done some measurements
and says the V12 has more inherent odd harmonics. It doesn't matter who
it is, Aston, Ferrari, MB I always prefer the V8 models over the V12 for sweet
sound. If people ask what does your car have that turns you on, I say the
gearbox and the soundtrack, which the 65 doesn't have despite costing 40 grand more. If the new 63 sounds as good as the old 63, with the same
gearbox, it's going to be my choice, and extremely tunable, I'll wait until
I finish the last payment, then....
mention the big things.My 63 is over 3 years old, never put a foot wrong,
and in the spec it's in would be 8 grand more. I love both the V12 TT and
the V8. My job includes acoustics, and for some reason when you start
to remove exhaust bits from a V12 you obviously get more level, but you
also get a certain harshness, which increases the more bits you remove.
This happens on other V12's not just MB, that's why I think that MB keeps
the 600 and 65 quieter than the V8, a friend has done some measurements
and says the V12 has more inherent odd harmonics. It doesn't matter who
it is, Aston, Ferrari, MB I always prefer the V8 models over the V12 for sweet
sound. If people ask what does your car have that turns you on, I say the
gearbox and the soundtrack, which the 65 doesn't have despite costing 40 grand more. If the new 63 sounds as good as the old 63, with the same
gearbox, it's going to be my choice, and extremely tunable, I'll wait until
I finish the last payment, then....
06-14-2012, 02:52 PM
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AMG SL63 vs SL65
Here you can listen at the engine sounds between SL63 V8 and SL65 V12... and my opinion is that SL65 AMG V12 sound is amazing.... V8 sound is like Subaru Impreza....
SL65 is the king of the roads
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r230...sl-63-amg.html
SL65 is the king of the roads
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r230...sl-63-amg.html
06-14-2012, 06:59 PM
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'22 Alpina B7,'21 G63 Renntech obviously (wife), Wrangler(kids)
In the new one I have plenty of headroom and had to actually move the seat forward to be comfortable.
It should easily fit a 6'8" guy.
06-14-2012, 07:04 PM
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'22 Alpina B7,'21 G63 Renntech obviously (wife), Wrangler(kids)
Here you can listen at the engine sounds between SL63 V8 and SL65 V12... and my opinion is that SL65 AMG V12 sound is amazing.... V8 sound is like Subaru Impreza....
SL65 is the king of the roads
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r230...sl-63-amg.html
SL65 is the king of the roads
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r230...sl-63-amg.html
06-15-2012, 11:08 AM
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Maybe MB weren't happy pushing the MCT to the limit, but heh! my 63
changes, quicker, SMOOTHER, than my 600 gearbox. Let's look at the facts,
the MCT is like a well trained dog, it responds instantly to every command.
How many times have I gone to overtake in the 600 only to find it doesn't
kick down, and if you have been driving slowly the auto box goes to sleep.
I can be doing any speed, any gear, and the MCT responds instantly to
a command. I don't know why you have put it in C for a comfortable change,
the only time mine feels edgy is when I am slowing down after hammering it
and it's understandable as the box is downshifting acting like a brake, sounds
awesome. One big thing why I would have the 63.
changes, quicker, SMOOTHER, than my 600 gearbox. Let's look at the facts,
the MCT is like a well trained dog, it responds instantly to every command.
How many times have I gone to overtake in the 600 only to find it doesn't
kick down, and if you have been driving slowly the auto box goes to sleep.
I can be doing any speed, any gear, and the MCT responds instantly to
a command. I don't know why you have put it in C for a comfortable change,
the only time mine feels edgy is when I am slowing down after hammering it
and it's understandable as the box is downshifting acting like a brake, sounds
awesome. One big thing why I would have the 63.
06-15-2012, 11:15 AM
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Here you can listen at the engine sounds between SL63 V8 and SL65 V12... and my opinion is that SL65 AMG V12 sound is amazing.... V8 sound is like Subaru Impreza....
SL65 is the king of the roads
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r230...sl-63-amg.html
SL65 is the king of the roads
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r230...sl-63-amg.html
, you must be made, the Boxer engine sounds like a 3 legged donky in comparison, that's why Porsche sounds crap.
06-18-2012, 11:24 PM
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I checked both press releases weeks ago about weight and the verdict came that the Sl 63 was 240 pounds lighter (4069 v 4309, not exact numbers, but the exact difference).
The SL 63 acceleration is quite a bit faster than 4.5, even by factory estimates (4.2). Again, minor advantage goes to the 65 due to incrementally more power for the additional weight (sure to come at the expense of some handling, although both are porkers - no Ferraris here).
The SL 65 has refinement on its side, and trim (both inside and out). It has exclusive chrommed out exterior and exclusive-leather and stitch interior. It is sure to come with nearly everything standard for the $228 thousand it costs. Whereas the 63 will make u pay nearly $200 for all the extras.
For those looking at the 65 and who are sticklers for having the greatest engine, keep in mind it was just confirmed AMG will build the next Mercedes V12 (read: even the 600 will be AMG-engined). So the next v12 is bound to be more modern and even equivalently efficient (for the cyl count) as the v8. Not to mention 4 valves etc. Might come with a fancier tranny as well (9 speed has been rumored). And, it's coming soon.The upcoming S65 (222) won't debut without it (old motor has been around since 220)
For me, even the 550 is plenty powerful honestly, it has been constantly clocked as fast as 3.9s 0-60 in tests. But trim and standard 'AMG' pack leaves to be desired once you have seen the AMGs.
A big no-no for both AMGs: skinny tires (for the torque levels)
The SL 63 acceleration is quite a bit faster than 4.5, even by factory estimates (4.2). Again, minor advantage goes to the 65 due to incrementally more power for the additional weight (sure to come at the expense of some handling, although both are porkers - no Ferraris here).
The SL 65 has refinement on its side, and trim (both inside and out). It has exclusive chrommed out exterior and exclusive-leather and stitch interior. It is sure to come with nearly everything standard for the $228 thousand it costs. Whereas the 63 will make u pay nearly $200 for all the extras.
For those looking at the 65 and who are sticklers for having the greatest engine, keep in mind it was just confirmed AMG will build the next Mercedes V12 (read: even the 600 will be AMG-engined). So the next v12 is bound to be more modern and even equivalently efficient (for the cyl count) as the v8. Not to mention 4 valves etc. Might come with a fancier tranny as well (9 speed has been rumored). And, it's coming soon.The upcoming S65 (222) won't debut without it (old motor has been around since 220)
For me, even the 550 is plenty powerful honestly, it has been constantly clocked as fast as 3.9s 0-60 in tests. But trim and standard 'AMG' pack leaves to be desired once you have seen the AMGs.
A big no-no for both AMGs: skinny tires (for the torque levels)
slow down there captain... lets examine the facts. i found the following info from mercedes AMG site, and their press releases.
Weight - theyre within 25lbs (63 is 4274 vs 65 is 4299) this amount is almost negligible
Brakes - 63 has 14.2front 13rear, 65 has 15.4front and 14.2rear... also, the 65 can get the SLS carbon ceramic brakes as an option (not sure if that is available for the 63, could not find info)
Suspension - quote i found "The AMG sports suspension based on Active Body Control is a further developed version of the setup in the SL63 AMG" both have the same 2 modes, which are tied to whatever transmission setting you choose.
Handling control - both have the same 3 stage ESP system
Transmission - this is the one area where the 63 might have an advantage, although how much of one it really is, is yet to be seen. the 63 has the 7speed speedshift MultiClutch, while the 65 has the same transmission but with a single clutch. the 63 has 3 shift modes, the 65 has 4 shift modes.
Power - the 65 has almost 60% more torque than the 63... any mod you can do to the 63, you could also do to the 65 and it will always make more power.
0-60 - 63 is 4.5 and the 65 is 3.9 (torque!) At highway speeds, the extra torque of the V12 will also walk away from the 63.
Sound - well, this is purely individual opinion, but to me the V12 will always sound better than the V8. Don't get me wrong, i think the V8 sounds amazing, but not as good as the exotic howl of the V12. You hear a V8 at almost every stoplight.... but when a V12 revs up, it is much more distinct and exclusive. Once again, there is no winner here, just personal preference.
The only areas I can see where the 63 beats the 65 is the multiclutch vs the single clutch. Both will shift lightning fast, but IME, the multiclutch will be somewhat smoother. I'm not really sure why MB didn't use the multi in the 65, my only assumption is that the multi had issues handling the extra torque of the V12.
Weight - theyre within 25lbs (63 is 4274 vs 65 is 4299) this amount is almost negligible
Brakes - 63 has 14.2front 13rear, 65 has 15.4front and 14.2rear... also, the 65 can get the SLS carbon ceramic brakes as an option (not sure if that is available for the 63, could not find info)
Suspension - quote i found "The AMG sports suspension based on Active Body Control is a further developed version of the setup in the SL63 AMG" both have the same 2 modes, which are tied to whatever transmission setting you choose.
Handling control - both have the same 3 stage ESP system
Transmission - this is the one area where the 63 might have an advantage, although how much of one it really is, is yet to be seen. the 63 has the 7speed speedshift MultiClutch, while the 65 has the same transmission but with a single clutch. the 63 has 3 shift modes, the 65 has 4 shift modes.
Power - the 65 has almost 60% more torque than the 63... any mod you can do to the 63, you could also do to the 65 and it will always make more power.
0-60 - 63 is 4.5 and the 65 is 3.9 (torque!) At highway speeds, the extra torque of the V12 will also walk away from the 63.
Sound - well, this is purely individual opinion, but to me the V12 will always sound better than the V8. Don't get me wrong, i think the V8 sounds amazing, but not as good as the exotic howl of the V12. You hear a V8 at almost every stoplight.... but when a V12 revs up, it is much more distinct and exclusive. Once again, there is no winner here, just personal preference.
The only areas I can see where the 63 beats the 65 is the multiclutch vs the single clutch. Both will shift lightning fast, but IME, the multiclutch will be somewhat smoother. I'm not really sure why MB didn't use the multi in the 65, my only assumption is that the multi had issues handling the extra torque of the V12.
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06-19-2012, 01:29 PM
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it's very confusing
all I can say is the recording wasn't good, that'sfrom a recording engineering (me) and my 63 sounds altogether louder,richer
and smoother, but as I said it's not a good recording, to much eq.
06-24-2012, 06:33 AM
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2007 Väth SL65 AMG. 2007 BMW Alpina B5s. 2007 BMW M6.
As long as MB and BMW are concerned, I agree!
But hear this, and this is a bit of a chocker guys, Volkswagen does the trick!!!
The DSG (their double clutch) in Volkswagen cars has the BEST trannys EVER!
I think they came out back in 2006 already, so they were one of the first out there too, and what a tranny that is!
Soo TOTALLY seemless it creates a big smile on your face, and yet so veeery alert in "s-mode"!
I've driven the double clutches in MB, BMW, Porsche and VW...
Porsche comes in second (very smooth too), but VW is the clear WINNER!!
And I don't even own one (I wouldn't wanna be caught dead in one), so I guess you can say that's pretty objektive and unbiased...
But hear this, and this is a bit of a chocker guys, Volkswagen does the trick!!!
The DSG (their double clutch) in Volkswagen cars has the BEST trannys EVER!
I think they came out back in 2006 already, so they were one of the first out there too, and what a tranny that is!
Soo TOTALLY seemless it creates a big smile on your face, and yet so veeery alert in "s-mode"!
I've driven the double clutches in MB, BMW, Porsche and VW...
Porsche comes in second (very smooth too), but VW is the clear WINNER!!
And I don't even own one (I wouldn't wanna be caught dead in one), so I guess you can say that's pretty objektive and unbiased...
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07-06-2012, 10:58 AM
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Ever since I had my SL63 I have liked it more and more, for instance, in manual mode I use paddles but on the twisty stuff ( we get lots of that )
and the stick with sideways motion. Mix em all up and drive it quick you
get perfect quick changes with oooh that superb pop and crackle on the
over run and the engine blip on down change braking the car, I never driven
a car that has it, Jag XKR, Porsche Turbo, Aston DB9 none of them has it.
It's a reason alone to buy the car. At first when it was new, I thought it could
do with a bit more power, but I was missing the turbo coming in. Now it's fast
enough, I can't remember the last time anybody overtook me. The new one interests me, but it would have to have that soundtrack. The new one has a turbo which usually is quieter. We'll see.
and the stick with sideways motion. Mix em all up and drive it quick you
get perfect quick changes with oooh that superb pop and crackle on the
over run and the engine blip on down change braking the car, I never driven
a car that has it, Jag XKR, Porsche Turbo, Aston DB9 none of them has it.
It's a reason alone to buy the car. At first when it was new, I thought it could
do with a bit more power, but I was missing the turbo coming in. Now it's fast
enough, I can't remember the last time anybody overtook me. The new one interests me, but it would have to have that soundtrack. The new one has a turbo which usually is quieter. We'll see.
