SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: The R230 V12TT intake thread...
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I used to think my extremely vented Misha hood helped cool things off... I even tried removing belly pans too.. Not a chance in hell.. The ONLY way to get FRESH cool air in these rigs is ROUTE your filters OUTSIDE your engine bays.. The Scorpions are purely for looks originally made by Vadim (previous mb tuner here) not Speedriven.. Vadim, told me directly on the phone, the design was purely COSMETIC to fill in the NEW gaps left by adding the big IC kits.
You can't run oem airboxes & single tube piping looked goofy, so Vadim added the 2nd set of filters facing valve covers to balance things out & create a kool Scorpion type double stinger look etc.. The Scorpion airintakes are absolutely worthless as a perf mod.. Turned my v12 into an absolute dog (even driving in the middle of winter in 50 deg or less, your STOCK boxes are a ton better at collecting colder ambient air) Using Scorpions just stiffles your v12 in broiling hot air under the hood unless you remove your entire hood lol..
You can't run oem airboxes & single tube piping looked goofy, so Vadim added the 2nd set of filters facing valve covers to balance things out & create a kool Scorpion type double stinger look etc.. The Scorpion airintakes are absolutely worthless as a perf mod.. Turned my v12 into an absolute dog (even driving in the middle of winter in 50 deg or less, your STOCK boxes are a ton better at collecting colder ambient air) Using Scorpions just stiffles your v12 in broiling hot air under the hood unless you remove your entire hood lol..
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Glad to help man..
Not trying to krap on Spdrvn just stating my personal exp & know 3 other 65/600 owners who had same exp after using Scorps for a little time.. When I 1st got them the sounds were intoxicating & it was winter so after driving few months & in anything over 50 deg weather or short time idling in traffic I noted huge perf losses..
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So is the I/C from speedriven any good? Assuming you can get fresh air to it. Also did you guys change your heat exchanger at the same time and did this make any difference?
What is the alternative to get over the 700bhp with an sl600 facelift?
What is the alternative to get over the 700bhp with an sl600 facelift?
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They're not made to OEM standards which are made of much heavier guage SS.. Though they're very sturdy just not made to be mishandled
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Yes.. Supp HE is good & will add to overall cooling perf.. Better still, add Killer Chiller.. That's what I would've done if I could go back in time lol..
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Funny I wish the larger air charge pipes were more functional and could've been utilized into latest big coolers, they looked hella badazzz (tho more functional to have near twice amount of coolant & bigger IC cores vs giant charge pipes)
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Has anybody tried the TTM air scoops that a lot of the E55 guys used to force more air under the bonnet to feed the scorpions?
Also if I were to extend the two forward intake pipes of the scorpions through the front but still left the other two under the bonnet would this be an issue?
I think initially I will try to add some kind of scoop to force more fresh air into the engine bay and along with that I have a vented hood which hopefully will keep the air moving.
If anybody can deal with the two questions above or would have any alternative scoops which might work the info. Would be appreciated.
Also if I were to extend the two forward intake pipes of the scorpions through the front but still left the other two under the bonnet would this be an issue?
I think initially I will try to add some kind of scoop to force more fresh air into the engine bay and along with that I have a vented hood which hopefully will keep the air moving.
If anybody can deal with the two questions above or would have any alternative scoops which might work the info. Would be appreciated.
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If your trying to do front mount, I wouldn't think about keeping the scorpion set up, even though your getting cool air with the 1st 2, the other 2 intakes still gonna be sucking in warm air under the hood.
If your going to do the front mount, your gonna need to figure out a way to get the piping to the front of the car and the pre 08 head lights makes this really tough.
The reason the 09+ are easier to make this set up is high beams of the headlights on the 09+ are much skinnier then those big ovals on the older headlights. With the pre 08 your mod gonna be doing a lot more hacking away somewhere at the front for the R230s.
If your going to do the front mount, your gonna need to figure out a way to get the piping to the front of the car and the pre 08 head lights makes this really tough.
The reason the 09+ are easier to make this set up is high beams of the headlights on the 09+ are much skinnier then those big ovals on the older headlights. With the pre 08 your mod gonna be doing a lot more hacking away somewhere at the front for the R230s.
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My Sl600 is a 2010 so the facelift however the scorpions are already installed and I love the look so has anybody tried the TTM scoops or any other type of forced cold air scoops to feed the scorpions. I also have a SLS black style front end wide body kit which means I have a load of room in front of the radiator. Search suhorovsky sr66.1 if you want to see the body kit.
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Has anybody tried anything other than water/coolant in the cooling system in the V12 and what kind of benefits have people noticed by splitting the cooling system compared to increasing the reservoir size?
Any comments of the use of a TTM style scoop on these V12's
Any comments of the use of a TTM style scoop on these V12's
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"DUAL ELEPHANT TRUNK" CAI 1-off's
Here's my latest/last 1 off CAI piping to outside grill goes to nearly 5" DIA.. It's far and away best CAI I've come up w/ALL silicone tubing w/gradual decrease to puny stock turbo air inlets. Wrapped in graphite header wrap, except for last 5-6" exiting front grill.. Wheels are new lightweight CCW's 18x13 wrapped in NEW Toyo R888 335/30 breaks loose in all 5 gears 57 deg F tnite
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Nothing to see, MB grill & I run NO filters, piping exits 1-2" covered in double wrapped 200 Micron SS w/C-clamps, been running for over 3 yrs w/SS 200 micron mesh.. Unless you live in dustbowl or Dubai it's perfectly safe..
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Not too loud BUT ABSOLUTELY SICKNESS! Sounds like Euro Exotic SUPEREME now.. Very quick spooling higher pitched sounds.. Nutty.. Def will take a solid GoPro for you guys..
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Not too loud BUT ABSOLUTELY SICKNESS! Sounds like Euro Exotic SUPEREME now.. Very quick spooling higher pitched sounds.. Nutty.. Def will take a solid GoPro for you guys..
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Unscrew them from OEM airboxes, leave them plugged into sensors, zip tie them dwn neatly out of way.. No chk eng lights or probs.. Ive made 3-4 CAI's over the last 6 yrs & ditched OEM boxes in the 2nd yr of ownership, no probs relocating sensors, just leave them plugged in![thumbs](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
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this is what i want to do with vent to atmos BOV.
plumb 2 into to the system preferable on turbo outlet pipes since I don't have the top mounts, get a good vacuum / boost source from intake plenum after the TB to make them function with out any delay.
Now for the stock diverter valves I would keep them shut from a boost pressure source pre TB and the stock recirculation solenoid I would cap the port that send the boost / vacuum reading to the stock diverter valves.
Let me know what you all think!!!
plumb 2 into to the system preferable on turbo outlet pipes since I don't have the top mounts, get a good vacuum / boost source from intake plenum after the TB to make them function with out any delay.
Now for the stock diverter valves I would keep them shut from a boost pressure source pre TB and the stock recirculation solenoid I would cap the port that send the boost / vacuum reading to the stock diverter valves.
Let me know what you all think!!!
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No need to shut the stock Diverters, when running external/aftermarket BOV's Marcin, instructed me on this, he is the TRUE V12tt guru here.. T splicing into oem boost lines is 5 min job.. I'm seeing full boost..
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what i am trying to get at is why have 4 points in the system to vent boost when you are off throttle when you can just have 2.
not trying to clown on anyone setup or question all the v12 gurus lol just trying to reason
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