SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: Just got SL65 V12 tuned ! but splattering :(
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I wasn't blaming anyone. One thing if you already replaced the coil packs once and they failed again after the tune you might want to look at the ignition control module. That could also fail and cause your symptoms.
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From reading posts, a mercedes specialist has said they have never once had a failed IGN module, usually its the coil packs. This should have been told to me by the tuner prior to uploading a file that will blow my coil packs, these are worth good money and can also fetch good money used. Instead the tuner does not tell the customer , because chances are 99% of customers will not want to go down the route of replacing perfectly fine working coil packs for a tune file. But now I have to replace them weather I want the tune or not, this is "sneaky" on the tuners behalf. Its not like he never knew, if he didnt then there wouldn't be three other members who've also posted this exact same issue on the exact same car from the exact same tuner "EUROCHARGED" if this was Australia , he would get sued! or worse ! Then he emails me saying he's gonna try to help , if he wants to help "send me over two new coil packs , that you failed to tell me will get destroyed from your tune!" lets see if he really does want to help ! Im sure he will come up with something else . I wasn't attacking you "Aeroman" its just that you kind of said the coil packs are not the tuners fault. I say it is, they have a duty of care to there customers to tell them "by the way you might need to spend $3000 on new coils for this tune to be compatible, oh and if you dont expect your car to blow your OEM coilpacks , and be of the road for awhile, whilst you drive home in limp mode!!!"
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What I know is that my car was purring like a baby before the tune, as soon as I uploaded the tune , it **** itself not even a minute later, and you sit here tell me its not the tune , that the coil packs are out on there way? I have been driving this car hard for the last year racing every night of the week nearly, never once did my car ever fail me, worste thing was replacing tyres and general tune ups. This damage was done as a result of the tune, Eurocharged has done this to other members cars apparently after doing a search on forums. 4 people on here have complained about exact same symptoms after Eurocharged did there tunes! But you wanna blame the customer ? I asked for a tune not for a $3.5k coil replacement F**k Eurocharged and Jerry, you screwed up my car !
Listen you are really going off when it's in no way the TUNERS issue, especially if its a box tune! Your coil packs likely where performing ok before the tune, but that doesn't mean they were functioning at a 100%. Part of the tuning is done with the ignition, and when your asking more out of them they fail. It happens time and time again on aged coils and owners who put a tune on them. Hearing the age and mileage of your car I'm surprised your coil packs have made it that long "assuming there original" The coil packs more commonly go out on the m275's "v12" engines then spark plugs, and that's not an exaggeration.
You can look at this 2 ways. Put your head in the sand and blame the tuner, get the tune removed, still have the issues with the coils and ultimately replace them anyways. Or second, realize the early ones had a very high failure rate and were already on there way out. Replace them and find out just how much of a beast your 65 is going to be with the Eurocharged tune. It doesn't seem right for you to blame a company and Jerry for you issues when its a part failure not software. It's like having a transmission that's on its way out, tuning it adding tons of torque/hp, and then blaming the tuner for your transmission slipping and wanting a replacement.
Take a deep breath and a few steps back, either way you need new coils, replace them and have a true beast on your hands!
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I agree with the two above. You should have been here seeking info before hand if this was such a concern. If the cost of the coils would be a reason not to get a tune then a SL65 is not the car for you. You will appreciate the car 10x more once you are back up and running properly with the coils. You will be beating even more cars than you have in the last year.
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You guys all might know Jerry and be mates, but that is in no way a reason to back up something that was not told to a customer. I dont fall for peoples crap and this is exactly what he's done, when I first told him , he added "lol" into his reply! Maybe your not seeing exactly what I am, you cant say my "coils are on the way out" the car was performing at least twice as better then it is now, the coils were fine, as soon as the tune was applied they blew. I am also not the only person on this forum who had this issue with the same tune and same tuner. You are burying your head in the sand to not have a bit of a spine and nuts to stand up to the truth. I have no choice now but to get coils so regardless this is not going to solve anything, but dont sugar coat exactly whats happened with this tuner to my car here !
Maybe I'm in the wrong site
Maybe I'm in the wrong site
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You guys all might know Jerry and be mates, but that is in no way a reason to back up something that was not told to a customer. I dont fall for peoples crap and this is exactly what he's done, when I first told him , he added "lol" into his reply! Maybe your not seeing exactly what I am, you cant say my "coils are on the way out" the car was performing at least twice as better then it is now, the coils were fine, as soon as the tune was applied they blew. I am also not the only person on this forum who had this issue with the same tune and same tuner. You are burying your head in the sand to not have a bit of a spine and nuts to stand up to the truth. I have no choice now but to get coils so regardless this is not going to solve anything, but dont sugar coat exactly whats happened with this tuner to my car here !
Maybe I'm in the wrong site
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What exactly are you seeking to have done at this point? It would be a completely different story if you came on here and said something to the effect of "my motor blew first drive after tune"
Your coils sadly are a maintenance item on these engines period. So hearing you try and hold someone responsible for a vehicle which A. You either don't understand or B. Are not wanting to maintain is a different story, I'll leave it at that.
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You absolutely are on the wrong site if you believe that a well known, common, and documented issue is going to get you sympathy or compensation. It doesn't matter who's tune you would have gotten as the end result of your coils failing would have been the same with any of the tuners.
What exactly are you seeking to have done at this point? It would be a completely different story if you came on here and said something to the effect of "my motor blew first drive after tune"
Your coils sadly are a maintenance item on these engines period. So hearing you try and hold someone responsible for a vehicle which A. You either don't understand or B. Are not wanting to maintain is a different story, I'll leave it at that.
What exactly are you seeking to have done at this point? It would be a completely different story if you came on here and said something to the effect of "my motor blew first drive after tune"
Your coils sadly are a maintenance item on these engines period. So hearing you try and hold someone responsible for a vehicle which A. You either don't understand or B. Are not wanting to maintain is a different story, I'll leave it at that.
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I don't know Jerry at all so don't take that where I'm coming from but trying to Blame Eurocharged for your coil pack issue is like trying to blame them for faster wear on your tires or for an improperly sized intercooler, heat exchanger, and exhaust that is too small, ETC, ETC. There is now way of knowing the condition of your coil packs when he sold you the tune.
Like another member said, if you blew your engine or if you had some catastrophic failure because of a bad tune, it would be different. You can't blame the tuner for a problem that the factory created. Odds are the coil packs would have failed with your stock ECU tune but there is no doubt that the ECU tune puts more stress on the coil packs due to the repeated failures of the old coil packs after most ECU tunes.
Like another member said, if you blew your engine or if you had some catastrophic failure because of a bad tune, it would be different. You can't blame the tuner for a problem that the factory created. Odds are the coil packs would have failed with your stock ECU tune but there is no doubt that the ECU tune puts more stress on the coil packs due to the repeated failures of the old coil packs after most ECU tunes.
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the coils should have been done first and these ones sold on to someone who has not got a tuned car and could of used them. They still sell on eBay $750 each, if that does not tell you the tuner could of prevented this all from happening, I'm done on this site yes! Eurocharged "Jerry" has tuned many of the v12's and knew this is a issue as many other members also are in the same situation as I am now, so he had the knowledge to foretell me before this, and before I purchased the tune, and when I had initially asked him would it affect or damage anything, and would I need to do any upgrades! his reply was "no, perfectly fine" "it will not damage your car", "no upgrades needed". Now your all sitting here saying "upgrades needed, essential" anyway go kiss peoples butts maybe he might give you a free tune, and help you blow your coils.
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It is the tuners fault "Eurgocharged" for not telling me to change my coils, or remove them prior to tune, they are now useless to anyone, also my cars down time will be at least a month! Its also his fault because I specifically asked the question to him "will this tune affect anything?" or "do i need to do any upgrades?" his reply to this was , "no perfectly fine". Maybe because if he said to me look this tune will render your coil packs useless, and you will need to spend $4k on a new set of coil packs to Australia to run this tune. I would of almost definetely and maybe 90% of people would have not gone with the tune! do you see where I see this coming from ? He knew this, but withheld it! Moreover he was specifically asked about this, and lied, or witheld or forgot! buying a tune is not just about the actual software, its about the know how and knowledge base. They been doing v12s for years on end, there is no possible other explanation for not disclosing this. Guess who needs to cough it up? the customer. Please all of you try to understand where I am coming from
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Well lets hope your bank account is also a MONSTA. Do not mod your car if you do not want to pay to play. I love when people MAKE THE DECISION to modify THEIR cars and then roll on ground kicking and screaming when THEY have to pay to fix issues that occur when modifying THEIR car.
V12= Coilpack replacement
End of story.
V12= Coilpack replacement
End of story.
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Not the tuners fault at all, this would have happened with any other company. The old coils need to be replaced. If you have any mechanical know how and tools go buy the parts at advance/autozone, they will come with a lifetime warranty, and change them and the plugs out in about 2 hours. The car will then run fine and pull insane hard. Again this isn't the tuners fault nor yours. Those original coils were made funky and revised and the new ones have no issue like this.
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I actually think Monsta is raising a good point and highlights what I would have expected from an expert in this field, dealing with this everyday. (I may not have quite approached it the way he has but...)
Yes, I agree we should all do our own due diligence but if the questions were asked as Monsta describes it wouldn't have been hard for Eurocharged to have highlighted this issue rather than what (from a one sided perspective) appears to have been glossed over. The OP is simply highlighting pre tune he had options, post tune he doesn't. He could have replaced the coil packs pre tune, recouped a bit of money from them and all would have been happy. An unreasonable ask, I don't think so, I personally would have expected more given the same circumstances.
Yes, I agree we should all do our own due diligence but if the questions were asked as Monsta describes it wouldn't have been hard for Eurocharged to have highlighted this issue rather than what (from a one sided perspective) appears to have been glossed over. The OP is simply highlighting pre tune he had options, post tune he doesn't. He could have replaced the coil packs pre tune, recouped a bit of money from them and all would have been happy. An unreasonable ask, I don't think so, I personally would have expected more given the same circumstances.
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Well lets hope your bank account is also a MONSTA. Do not mod your car if you do not want to pay to play. I love when people MAKE THE DECISION to modify THEIR cars and then roll on ground kicking and screaming when THEY have to pay to fix issues that occur when modifying THEIR car.
V12= Coilpack replacement
End of story.
V12= Coilpack replacement
End of story.
Not the tuners fault at all, this would have happened with any other company. The old coils need to be replaced. If you have any mechanical know how and tools go buy the parts at advance/autozone, they will come with a lifetime warranty, and change them and the plugs out in about 2 hours. The car will then run fine and pull insane hard. Again this isn't the tuners fault nor yours. Those original coils were made funky and revised and the new ones have no issue like this.
I actually think Monsta is raising a good point and highlights what I would have expected from an expert in this field, dealing with this everyday. (I may not have quite approached it the way he has but...)
Yes, I agree we should all do our own due diligence but if the questions were asked as Monsta describes it wouldn't have been hard for Eurocharged to have highlighted this issue rather than what (from a one sided perspective) appears to have been glossed over. The OP is simply highlighting pre tune he had options, post tune he doesn't. He could have replaced the coil packs pre tune, recouped a bit of money from them and all would have been happy. An unreasonable ask, I don't think so, I personally would have expected more given the same circumstances.
Yes, I agree we should all do our own due diligence but if the questions were asked as Monsta describes it wouldn't have been hard for Eurocharged to have highlighted this issue rather than what (from a one sided perspective) appears to have been glossed over. The OP is simply highlighting pre tune he had options, post tune he doesn't. He could have replaced the coil packs pre tune, recouped a bit of money from them and all would have been happy. An unreasonable ask, I don't think so, I personally would have expected more given the same circumstances.
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it could be the IGN module, however replacing it with the exact same part number , wouldn't the tune still blow the replaced one ? or is there a newer updated module that can handle the tune ? it very well might not be the coil packs, its very unlikely they both blew at the exact same time?
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Sorry i think you misunderstood my previous post. What I meant was it is unlikely that both coil packs would go both at once, is there a way to test the IGN module compared to the coils? and is there an updated IGN part number , it just doesnt make sense replacing the voltage regulator with the exact same one that the tune blew ?
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The coils have been updated I don't believe the igh has. The tune didn't blow anything. It took tired old parts and stressed them to failure.
Just be glad your tuner is offering to help.
Just be glad your tuner is offering to help.
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The coils have been updated I don't believe the igh has. The tune didn't blow anything. It took tired old parts and stressed them to failure.
Just be glad your tuner is offering to help. Mine is not and going to pay a price when I dump their code and put the file and a how to on a torrent site outside of US control.
Just be glad your tuner is offering to help. Mine is not and going to pay a price when I dump their code and put the file and a how to on a torrent site outside of US control.
i just dont wanna buy a IGN or coil packs if there not needed
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How do you know that the coils are 'blown'? They might be OK but not able to handle the more aggressive timing and frequency.
If you could revert the tune and see if they are OK, you should be able to sell them and thereby making the upgrade to newer, a less costly affair.
Personally, I don't think they are bad but simply not suited to handle the upgrade.
If you could revert the tune and see if they are OK, you should be able to sell them and thereby making the upgrade to newer, a less costly affair.
Personally, I don't think they are bad but simply not suited to handle the upgrade.
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How do you know that the coils are 'blown'? They might be OK but not able to handle the more aggressive timing and frequency.
If you could revert the tune and see if they are OK, you should be able to sell them and thereby making the upgrade to newer, a less costly affair.
Personally, I don't think they are bad but simply not suited to handle the upgrade.
If you could revert the tune and see if they are OK, you should be able to sell them and thereby making the upgrade to newer, a less costly affair.
Personally, I don't think they are bad but simply not suited to handle the upgrade.
OP said he already went back to stock ECU load and the problem remains.
