RU_MATRX

Treynor, progressively hearing your enthusiasm as well as the scope of aftermarket enhancements (great potential leaps vs. stock) makes the SL65 AMG more and more tempting for me although my financial sensibilities say STOP!

Mardeth

What are the biggest tires you can fit in a SL65?? 295?? 305??

G Unit

Man that is crazy.

So roughly what is your S600, Viper and SL65 pushing out each?

vdubpower

what can u now do wit h 700 hp that ucouldnt with 600?? crazy


g unit, why get a 2004 s55 over the 2003, what are the changes

treynor

> So roughly what is your S600, Viper and SL65 pushing out each?

SRT/10 Viper: 475 RWHP, 3350 lbs
S600: 525 RWHP, 4650 lbs
SL65: ??? RWHP (stock is 520), 4475 lbs

G Unit

2004 has an upgraded version of the comand in the 2003. It also has every option on the list bar a few. The 2003 had a slightly dodgy respray so we got it traded in for a brand new one.

Treynor thats immense, but what does that translate to "normal" bhp. ie with the S600 having 493 and SL65 having 612 as stock?

treynor

For Mercedes 5-sp auto cars, divide RWHP by 0.81 to get BHP. Thus, for example, the S600's 525 RWHP translates to (525/0.81 = ) 648 BHP.

For the Viper, divide RWHP by 0.87: (475 / 0.87 = ) 546 BHP.

Bilal

Ben, when can we expect some more speedo/tach videos?

viper65

You got a PM from me

jg8881

Kleemann just installed a ecu upgrade on my sl 65 amg .
It exceeded what they claim and renntech or brabus.
The Dyno proved it on a conservative run i all gears games etc.
No doubt the best in the buisness is Kleemann USA.
Brandon , Cory and Erik are the most knoledgeable in the buisness .
I have owned Mercedes for 17 years and many a car , I thought I new MB inside and out but I can't hold a candle to Brandon at Kleemann USA in Colorado Spgs. He knows his buisness period and produces .
It is not about Price but satifaction and Brandon delivares every time , this is my 3 major product from them.
Do not even think of going to Renntech or Brabus , call Brandon .
If you have a MB call Kleemann , you won't be disapointed.

jg8881

Klleemn did a KD Box on my GL 320 CDI and a great purchase 3-5 MPG and power . Why won't you do it????

jg8881

Kleeman did a SL 600 , LSD , and ECU , stock 65 equal .

Reckless

I am debating between Renntech and Kleemann for my S600TT. Price is not a problem. I read a lot of satisfied customers from Kleemann but see proven numbers/race times for Renntech. Any advice/input is greatly appreciated.

IngenereAMG

We have a fair number of thrilled 600 clients. Let me know if you have any questions.

Here is one of our client's dynos, before he had us do his TCU. His results are on our testimonials page. http://www.veloceperformance.com/testimonial.htm
I believe that he is the 14th from the top.

Thericker

Kleemann/RENNtech TOP results on SL600 & SL65 both models attain nearly equal results after ECU/TCU they achieve 116 MORE RWTO than TOP Veloce efforts...Go KLEEMANN or RENNtech folks

Veloce Dyno, notice rear wheel torque @ 600...


Apples to apples, SAME type of Dynodynamics machine used in both examples...Just compare the graph lines of each, the RENNtech achieves higher rwhp more importantly much higher 716 rwto @ 31-3200 RPM's while Veloce doesn't reach their peak Torque until 4000 RPM's @ 600 rwto (RENNtech maintains MORE HP/Torque throughout the ENTIRE RPM dyno curve)

Now RENNtech Dyno on 2004 SL600, need I say more? Kleemann fetches the same #'s

jg8881

The are more dragtime stats for renntech so you can't compare .On the dyno Kleemann is better , so dyno's don't have varibles as 1/4 mile races , reaction, tires humity, temp, tires, age etc.
Dynos at Kleemann I have see in person no funny stuff.
Bradon is straight up.
Kleemann is better , an untalked about item is daily driving . Renntech dumps all at the top and not as smooth on the low end in daily driving , not all of it is about mashing the foot pedal.
Go Kleemnn

jg8881

The sl 65 is the way to go.
The only upgrade is a ECU reflash. It has the LSD rear , bigger brakes , suppension upgrades, resale, more options the sl 600 doesn't or cost to get or install after. Get the 65 and don't look back.
Tires go with Mich PS2 no others come close.

DFW01E55

Experience or conjecture?

Have you tried the Pirelli Corsa's?
They smoke the PS2's.
Yes, I've had both.

Sorry for the thread jack, back to your regular programming.

CA_E55

Here is some food for thought about the Kleemann boys: A couple of years ago, they trailered their 600+ HP E55 to an airstrip event in Sweden and got their a$$ handed to them by a stock M5 (do a search, this was the discussion forum event of the decade)
In the Nov/04 issue of C&D, Kleemann provided their SL55 K3 with a claimed 630Hp for the 10,000 HP Slugfest, Renntech provided a SL600 with a claimed 640HP; the result in that magazine was a 12.5 @114 for the Kleemann and 11.8 @ 121 for the Renntech - both kinda slow, but same place, same drivers.

My conclusion: Kleemann is at least as good in performance hyperbole marketing as they are in producing the real world performance to the rear wheels. I am not suggesting their services and products are useless, it just appears for a real world assessment of gains its better to divide their claimed HP gains by two is more realistic.
But who cares: Both Heffner and UGR today take claim to 1,300 HP twinturbo, streetable Gallardos, who am I to quibble about +/- 50HP on a MB

Autoscope

So who wants an ECU upgrade? I would love to see some Kleemann AMG's against each other on our dyno's!!!

That's some stout power guys!!! I have seen 694RWT on a stock SL65!

jg8881

You can not compare a SL55 to a SL 600
Big differance look at torque alone . Sl600 is faster stock as well the numbers look correct for what to expect as the differance between to two as stock .
I have not tried the Pirelli C. Like to .
Thanks for the info.
The Renntech numbers vs Kleemannn are not close as the posted Dyno chart to the dyno . I got 636 rwhp and 772 rwtq. on avg. Strong no correction number or games .

E55AMGFan

Very strong numbers! Do you have a dyno chart to post?

Thericker

Seriously doubt you got 636 rwhp and 772 rwtq. outt've Just ECU for Kleemann SL65 VRP's 825 pkg has upgraded/larger Intercoolers/ IC pump/CAI/Exhaust work/ trunk res/ more importantly a 100 OCTANE tune & fetched 694 rwhp 912 rwto, what's important here the RWHP please stop the

I love Kleemann/Renntech tunes, & will have the Kleemann on my SL600 soon, you are totally off on thinking the 600's make less power than the 65's after tuning I've seen countless post tuning Dyno's that prove this...
The Turbo sizing dictates final power (they are the same on both 600/65 models) the extra half liter in displacement doesn't dictate the extra power.

The Stock 65 AMG Ecu map is set w/much higher BOOST LEVELS than the stock 600 TT & accounts for the majority of power differences between the 2 models..

Thericker

I've been researching these engines for quite sometime, never have I seen a STOCK 65 motor put down 694 RWTO on average they put down 500-520 RWHP 630-650 RWTO in STOCK FORM. Please post this dyno I know there can be factory freaks but this is def NOT the average STOCK 65 AMG Only after an ECU tune have these type of #'s been seen...

E55AMGFan

Any reason why you chose Kleeman over Renntech? Is it because of the sale going on? Well said about the power numbers he made, they sound a bit out of this world as I've never seen a 65 reach there on a ECU Tune alone.