ClayJ

MODS - How much more of this do we need to be subjected to?

When is this guy gonna get the boot, for good?

NY C32

How long are you going to keep up with your continued lies and threats of legal action?

Grow up kid before you get hurt

Stiggs

Thats funny.....I was thinking the exact same thing............................................. .....About you ClayJ!
Time for ClayJ to take a hike!

55fanatic

Clay J What was the point of this? Now honestly, things have been pretty quiet and civil here on MBW lately and now you go and stir the pot, your legal action would be worth jack when anyone notices how you antagonize people to bring it upon yourself especially now that you just admitted you did it JUST so someone would go off on you... You know the story of the boy who cried wolf? That is unfortunately your sad existance... you first say Oh I have 4 of every car... and when we dont believe you, you say I will have my legal council contact you... well no one here has been brought to court yet, have they? Is that law even valid as one member of the parties involved is located out of the country in the "boonies"? Now dude just give it up, bite your lip and be a real man and just quit this BS... truth is whether or not your real, your just getting off on getting so many people so excited. Which in itself is a sad existence... and you sir are the perfect example of money not buying class again that is IF and only IF you are real. So its time to quit the BS...
-Pete

Militant-Grunt

Agreed ^^. ClayJ you should give up now, you're just wasting your energy, and you're making yourself look like an idiot.


At the dealership on 42nd and 11th in manhattan they have two SLRs. One had a blown engine, they put in a new one, and marked the price down to 363k. Only has 2500 miles. And the other one they have is going for a little over 400k.

v8plus4

Clay, you forgot to put Jeff's name in bold type in the above post It would look much more menacing that way.

I like the italics, though...

v8plus4

Has anyone who frequents both Fchat and MBWorld noticed that at Fchat, posers and frauds are not tolerated? They are almost IMMEDIATELY taken to task or "called out" by the membership, seemingly without much objection from the mods. New members are immediately encouraged by the membership to fill in their profile info as well. It seems as if the membership of Fchat does a very good job at keeping their forums free of these annoyances, while at the same time welcoming and offering advice to dreamers and aspiring owners, as long as they are honest about who they really are.

In contrast, here at MBWorld, this clayj business has gone on for months, over 3600 posts of BS, and whenever he's questioned or challenged or nicely asked to post pics, he responds with more BS, or implied and/or direct threats of legal action against members, the mods, MBworld admins, etc., and the thread almost always ends up locked. Clay has been strangely entertaining, but at the same time, you must admit he's single-handedly fouled up an otherwise excellent community.

Just an observation, but I wonder why this behavior is tolerated and allowed to go on here, when I suspect clay wouldn't have made it past a dozen posts over at Fchat? Anyone active on both boards care to comment?

Oh, and before I forget,

Juice it

I forgot about this thread! Clay, you bring nothing of value or substance to this forum, continue to threaten members that actually provide useful information and continue building your house of cards day after day. Now, you are actually giving information about a 400k plus car that you claim to have several of to someone who is actually looking to purchase one. That has to be a violation of the rules here. Enough already, nobody cares at this point. Why don't you be a man and either admit your false claims and move on or go troll around another forum.

Stiggs

I think this thread might be the nail in ClayJ's coffin.

NY C32

So true...
This loser has been called out more times than all the other MBWorld liars combined.
In any other forum, Clay would've been banned by now. Maybe thats why he only posts here

Stiggs

Maybe ClayJ will start a class action lawsuit against all of MBW's members.

Scruffyone

An E lawsuit? If you loose the E lawsuit you get your avatar impounded, your sig blanked out, and you will be forced to use dial up for 30 days.

amdeutsch

@ClayJ

As several members have pointed out; please reread the TOU. It appears that your claims of violating the following

You agree, through your use of the Discussion Forums, that you will not post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.

is violated by you as well.

It appears by your own admission in this thread

Therefore it would be considered advisable to rethink; just like the saying: People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Now, if you would like, we could revisit your request, after discussions amongst ourselves. Not saying what would happen other than a discussion would take place. But we might just expand that to more than requested: i.e. we might take other members suggestions into account as well.

Amdeutsch
MBWorld Management Team

55fanatic

If you ask me his constant threats of Legal action with nothing backing up are in itself harrasment... can we as a forum Sue clay J? I think now that he has admitted to making some posts in order to create a certain reaction its time to step up and if not Ban this ****, at least place him on probation? No?

ClayJ

amdeutsch - So in this post you are posting as a moderator, and not as a member? So this is the Moderators' response?

In that case, let me respond, carefully, and as succinctly as I might:

The TOU:

You agree, through your use of the Discussion Forums, that you will not post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.

I suppose that the instance of potential violation on my part which you are referring to would be "threatening"?

I do not see in my posts, and I did not intend to in my posts, threaten anyone. My intnention was to remind the posters involved that violating the law is violating the law -- and could be actionable. If I posted so in such a manner as to bait the offender into going further, I would not view that as threatening -- or any of the other specific violative behaviors listed above as unacceptable in the TOU.

For instance, the Moderators often warn a member or members when they have crossed the line or are close to it.... A warning is not necessarily a threat. In my case, in my intnet, it was a warning -- not a threat. Worder strongly enough to elicit more unacceptable behavior? The posters posted what they did, and continued to -- wasn't my doing, per se, just gave them a little rope

Not threatening, not abusive, not harassing.

This, however, definately is by any frame of reference or definition:

Originally Posted by NY C32
ClayJ
YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
you little punk.
you retarded liar.
you poor little kid.
You're a liar and a fraud
If you or your lawyer don't contact me by April 21, 2006 you better watch it
You are one dumb kid
you better watch it ClayJ
YOU LITTLE LYING SACK OF S-H-I-T
worthless loser
dumbass
Clay is a fraud. Clay is a liar
Clay is a fraud. Clay is a liar
Clay is a fraud. Clay is a liar

Quite obviously defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, threatening, or otherwise violative of any law (harassment)

As is this:

Originally Posted by Juice it
He has been exposed as a fraud and lives in a shack in Mo....

Quite obviously defamatory, (inaccurate), abusive, hateful, harassing, or otherwise violative of any law (harassment)

I could have gone with this as I have done in the past, reminding an offending member of violating the TOU, and including or not a warning (not a threat) that there are consequences possible for doing so:

Here is the TOU again:

You agree, through your use of the Discussion Forums, that you will not post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.

I do not see any wording, any exception or allowance for, engaging in the listed prohibited behaviors -- do you? There isn't any; ie. there are no exceptions, excuses, or reasons for doing so. Doesn't matter what anyone else has done, or not done. The prohibition applies to you, to your behavior as a member in posting...period. There are no excuses or reasons, exceptions, etc. for engaging in the behavior -- not in the TOU....

The point is: obviosuly violative posting behavior by members should be disciplined, or you get the riotous, mob-mentality band of the same dozen members whom regularly engage in such behavior, acting as jackels and hyenas, vandals, and punks, trashing another perfectly good thread out of a vendetta to abuse, harass, and defame one member -- who did nothing wrong in his original post to deserve such (and I still don't see exceptions in the TOU for "deservance" ):

As I am constantly under a barrage of attack, you don't think that it is possible that I may get closer to stronger behavior every now and then? I still don't cross the line, I am still a gentleman -- and I keep it that way, don't I?

BTW - this behavior, by these dsame half-dozen members, is now been sprayed across two other threads -- tell me, as a moderator, what your justification is for allowing/condoning that?

And I do thank you for your public response -- the forum members need to see their moderators in action.

Scruffyone

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A_B

"How much more of this do we need to be subjected to?

When is this guy gonna get the boot, for good?"

- I just copied your response for one of the posts becuase thats exactly what I wanted to say about you....

Moving on .... NY C32, since when was Clay found to be living in a shack in Missouri? did I miss somthing?
A simple solution to this problem would be the following : Obtain the program Neo Trace Pro, Obtain ClayJ's IP adress, trace it and see what ISP it goes to.... if he is so concerned about his security the trace would bounce back with no result, because of sometype of professionally installed proxy, if it traces to an ISP than that would mean hes full of it because that would mean no proxy is installed.


Priceless comment of the thread goes to: AlexPapas : "It looks like a lawsuit (or two or three) may result from this thread. Maybe the winner(s) will be kind enough to reward me with a finder's fee"

electromethod

mick1

you did. Somebody posted his address and the pic of his house and this was his response

https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....&postcount=105

If it was not his address or his house, why the heck did he consult the attorneys

A_B

Thank you for the update sir.

ClayJ

Because I was concerned about liability if anything occured out there...duh.

Innocent, uninvolved people are often negatively affected by the stupidity of others -- sad but true fact of life.

People with "deep pockets" get sued all the time -- goes with the territory....

As I stated, for the record, and will do so again:

NOT MY RESIDENCE, NOT ME. WHEREVER THAT IS AND WHOMEVER THAT IS - LEAVE THEM ALONE, PLEASE.

Stiggs

Oh ClayJ...I feel so sorry for you. Don't you understand you created this monster. You came to MBWorld and spouted claims of riches and cars the likes we would all drool over. Did you not think anyone would want proof?
Now you sit and wonder why everyone hates you. They hate ClayJ for what he represents......crap and BS. If you came here and kept to yourself with the claims of being a billionaire and owning 6 SLR's maybe some people here would respect you. I feel like I might be talking to a brick wall here. I really don't think you understand.
Unfortunately Clay I have always tried to give people the benefit of the doubt, thats why you will notice I never really got into it with you. But now I just can't take it any more.
I think people like ClayJ, although entertaining, have brought down the quality of MBWorld. he's starting to be on the same level as the common Trolls we have. I was never one to say the word "Ban", but I'm beginning to think ClayJ needs to get a good Banning!

amdeutsch

In consideration of my previous post, which you replied to, about the TOU and your choice of wording now, as quoted, you leave me no choice but to place you on a 2 week banning.

Amdeutsch
MBWorld Management Team

NY C32

Clay, Clay Clay...You are such a ******* ***** of **** who really needs to get banned. You start crying to mods hoping they'll bail you out and when you find one that doesn't agree with you, you start threatening legal action. For this reason, I will use *'s to xpress my opinions of you. You are a real c**k s*****g m***********g a*****e!!!!!

The fact that you are giving advice to potential buyers of a $400k car by claiming to own several should be in itself grounds for banishment

Don't start using the TOU against others when you have 3600 violations with all your spewing lies, you f*******d!


Bwahahahahahahahahah ClayJ is a *******

There we have it...A post that put a big smile on my face while offending nobody and all within the TOU.