HPS Supercharger
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: HPS Supercharger
Originally posted by otoupalik
Eddy,
We have doen a dozen Kleemann cars or so and not had one that is not serviced by the owners home dealership. Theory and speculation is nice, reality is better!
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Eddy,
We have doen a dozen Kleemann cars or so and not had one that is not serviced by the owners home dealership. Theory and speculation is nice, reality is better!
Thanks
Brad
Once again, I look at these two S/C as E class and S classs. Youhave more expensive probably more sofisticated product thatgoes for more -------HPS has something less but what many people can afford and want and dont look for more than that.
I dont see the need to have a boxing match here -it is clear to me at least that your target is people like sleestack while HPS will go to Timsters of this world.
I doubt at the end someone with HPS will haveless fun.
Sleestack after buying Kleemann has his car back to the shop for more so to him Kleemann is not enough.
As to servicing its one thing to go for a scedueled oil change and filter-I'm interested in knowing what happens when you come to them with "check engine" or ruogh idle or trasmission prolem of any kind for whatever reason.
If you dont have warrenty on a very expencive product I think you should expect to answer many questions stupid or not because people like jil88 put close to $20k in his S430 (wheels, tires and other sillystaff) and he stated himself that he would not touch Kleemann because of warrenty so warrenty is what you should concentrate on not arguing with HPS.
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I'm going for my free scheduled service B next week. My only concern is that they'll put 20 miles on it again!
I'm going for my free scheduled service B next week. My only concern is that they'll put 20 miles on it again!
Hey, they usually put 10 miles on my car and I dont have S/C on it.
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Originally posted by otoupalik
Eddy,
We have doen a dozen Kleemann cars or so and not had one that is not serviced by the owners home dealership. Theory and speculation is nice, reality is better!
Thanks
Brad
Eddy,
We have doen a dozen Kleemann cars or so and not had one that is not serviced by the owners home dealership. Theory and speculation is nice, reality is better!
Thanks
Brad
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Aren't the Kleemann cars also redone with body styling effects and interior appointments? Are we talking JUST supercharger to supercharger here? ($18.5k-ish Kleeman S/C versus $10k-ish for HPS) Cory, is that price you are quoting inclusive of the other improvements such as brakes and body styling? How about a straight-out opinion on how a Kleeman E500 would compare to the stock E55 (W211, of course), even though the E55 is not yet out?
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HPS Supercharger
Originally posted by Fast Eddy
Excellent, than I don't see the point for kleemann to negociate any warrenty to go with the S/C. Stop looking for warrenty, ok?
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Excellent, than I don't see the point for kleemann to negociate any warrenty to go with the S/C. Stop looking for warrenty, ok?
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It is about $, not reliability. Kleemann is negotiating for favorable terms that will not impact the price of the kit. Anyone with any kit can get a warranty, it is just about the cost and the provider.
I don't think anyone except Cory is arguing with HPS. However, I can tell you again, that we regularly have had our RED clk430 (Mach 430's) in for check engine lights as we develop the exhaust and headers (emission related warnings) and three dealers have not only serviced it, but have asked to take clients for rides in the car.
As for retailing HPS we will not at this time. We only sell the BEST, regardless of cost. We offer the best value in the products we sell. We believe that the methodology behind the Kleemann is far superior to that of HPS and that time will prove this out. We have countless problems (literally 1-3 a week) trying to help BMW customers who bought the wrong S/C system. We have first hand knowledge of dealing with kits that are not up to par (not assuming the HPS fits into this category as I have not personally seen one), but from a business perspective, we only sell what we can put on the car and NEVER have a problem down the road. We sell what we believe in, not what we make the most money on or can move the most of (yes, we make very little margin on a Kleemann and they are expensive, so they do not walk off the shelves).
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Jugding from the design of the HPS, wont it only fit in cars like
W 208 and 210, where there is space because the air box is removed ?????
What do they do with 209, 211, 215, 220 ?????
W 208 and 210, where there is space because the air box is removed ?????
What do they do with 209, 211, 215, 220 ?????
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HPS supercharger
I recently recieved a mail flyer from HPS regarding their supercharger but it was a little late as I had already had RENNtech install an AMG high pressure supercharger in my 2002 E55. Along with the supercharger I had my brakes and rear subframe assembly upgraded. Headers, downpipes, aux. oil cooler, and transmission upgrades were also performed. The cams remain stock as does the exhaust past the down pipes. The whole package appears to be factory installed and the car is quiet and very streetable.
Now I have been reading a lot of discussion about what system is the best ( HPS, Kleeman ) but have not seen any real world performance numbers to back up claims.
Therefore I will pose a challenge to all. I have put my car on a dragstrip on several occasions and have numbers for all to consider. My car has Bridgestone S-03 285/30-19 tires on the rear and 245/35-19 front tires. These are my street tires and I drive on them daily. My E55 has 6700 miles on the odometer.
My most recent trip to the track produced a best ET of 12.143 @ 117 MPH. I backed this up with 12.161 and 12.162 ET's. This is with a full tank of fuel, spare tire, jack, and portable air compressor in the trunk. If anyone doubts my claim I have my time slips and even a video of my best run that shows the time on the sign at the end of the track.
My point is that sales pitches about performance should be backed up with some proof. RENNtech is credible and reliable.
To all that have questions, feel free to e-mail me.
Now I have been reading a lot of discussion about what system is the best ( HPS, Kleeman ) but have not seen any real world performance numbers to back up claims.
Therefore I will pose a challenge to all. I have put my car on a dragstrip on several occasions and have numbers for all to consider. My car has Bridgestone S-03 285/30-19 tires on the rear and 245/35-19 front tires. These are my street tires and I drive on them daily. My E55 has 6700 miles on the odometer.
My most recent trip to the track produced a best ET of 12.143 @ 117 MPH. I backed this up with 12.161 and 12.162 ET's. This is with a full tank of fuel, spare tire, jack, and portable air compressor in the trunk. If anyone doubts my claim I have my time slips and even a video of my best run that shows the time on the sign at the end of the track.
My point is that sales pitches about performance should be backed up with some proof. RENNtech is credible and reliable.
To all that have questions, feel free to e-mail me.
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the top Renntech system costs over $42,000 on top of the cost of the car, making a vehicle similar in numbers to the E55, but this one will cost over $100,000 - it's a fair bet that the upcoming E55 (with only about 30 less hp than the top Renntech) will be anywhere near that price...
Originally posted by James F. Cannon
I recently recieved a mail flyer from HPS regarding their supercharger but it was a little late as I had already had RENNtech install an AMG high pressure supercharger in my 2002 E55. Along with the supercharger I had my brakes and rear subframe assembly upgraded. Headers, downpipes, aux. oil cooler, and transmission upgrades were also performed. The cams remain stock as does the exhaust past the down pipes. The whole package appears to be factory installed and the car is quiet and very streetable.
Now I have been reading a lot of discussion about what system is the best ( HPS, Kleeman ) but have not seen any real world performance numbers to back up claims.
Therefore I will pose a challenge to all. I have put my car on a dragstrip on several occasions and have numbers for all to consider. My car has Bridgestone S-03 285/30-19 tires on the rear and 245/35-19 front tires. These are my street tires and I drive on them daily. My E55 has 6700 miles on the odometer.
My most recent trip to the track produced a best ET of 12.143 @ 117 MPH. I backed this up with 12.161 and 12.162 ET's. This is with a full tank of fuel, spare tire, jack, and portable air compressor in the trunk. If anyone doubts my claim I have my time slips and even a video of my best run that shows the time on the sign at the end of the track.
My point is that sales pitches about performance should be backed up with some proof. RENNtech is credible and reliable.
To all that have questions, feel free to e-mail me.
I recently recieved a mail flyer from HPS regarding their supercharger but it was a little late as I had already had RENNtech install an AMG high pressure supercharger in my 2002 E55. Along with the supercharger I had my brakes and rear subframe assembly upgraded. Headers, downpipes, aux. oil cooler, and transmission upgrades were also performed. The cams remain stock as does the exhaust past the down pipes. The whole package appears to be factory installed and the car is quiet and very streetable.
Now I have been reading a lot of discussion about what system is the best ( HPS, Kleeman ) but have not seen any real world performance numbers to back up claims.
Therefore I will pose a challenge to all. I have put my car on a dragstrip on several occasions and have numbers for all to consider. My car has Bridgestone S-03 285/30-19 tires on the rear and 245/35-19 front tires. These are my street tires and I drive on them daily. My E55 has 6700 miles on the odometer.
My most recent trip to the track produced a best ET of 12.143 @ 117 MPH. I backed this up with 12.161 and 12.162 ET's. This is with a full tank of fuel, spare tire, jack, and portable air compressor in the trunk. If anyone doubts my claim I have my time slips and even a video of my best run that shows the time on the sign at the end of the track.
My point is that sales pitches about performance should be backed up with some proof. RENNtech is credible and reliable.
To all that have questions, feel free to e-mail me.
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Re: HPS supercharger
Originally posted by James F. Cannon
I recently recieved a mail flyer from HPS regarding their supercharger but it was a little late as I had already had RENNtech install an AMG high pressure supercharger in my 2002 E55. Along with the supercharger I had my brakes and rear subframe assembly upgraded. Headers, downpipes, aux. oil cooler, and transmission upgrades were also performed. The cams remain stock as does the exhaust past the down pipes. The whole package appears to be factory installed and the car is quiet and very streetable.
Now I have been reading a lot of discussion about what system is the best ( HPS, Kleeman ) but have not seen any real world performance numbers to back up claims.
Therefore I will pose a challenge to all. I have put my car on a dragstrip on several occasions and have numbers for all to consider. My car has Bridgestone S-03 285/30-19 tires on the rear and 245/35-19 front tires. These are my street tires and I drive on them daily. My E55 has 6700 miles on the odometer.
My most recent trip to the track produced a best ET of 12.143 @ 117 MPH. I backed this up with 12.161 and 12.162 ET's. This is with a full tank of fuel, spare tire, jack, and portable air compressor in the trunk. If anyone doubts my claim I have my time slips and even a video of my best run that shows the time on the sign at the end of the track.
My point is that sales pitches about performance should be backed up with some proof. RENNtech is credible and reliable.
To all that have questions, feel free to e-mail me.
I recently recieved a mail flyer from HPS regarding their supercharger but it was a little late as I had already had RENNtech install an AMG high pressure supercharger in my 2002 E55. Along with the supercharger I had my brakes and rear subframe assembly upgraded. Headers, downpipes, aux. oil cooler, and transmission upgrades were also performed. The cams remain stock as does the exhaust past the down pipes. The whole package appears to be factory installed and the car is quiet and very streetable.
Now I have been reading a lot of discussion about what system is the best ( HPS, Kleeman ) but have not seen any real world performance numbers to back up claims.
Therefore I will pose a challenge to all. I have put my car on a dragstrip on several occasions and have numbers for all to consider. My car has Bridgestone S-03 285/30-19 tires on the rear and 245/35-19 front tires. These are my street tires and I drive on them daily. My E55 has 6700 miles on the odometer.
My most recent trip to the track produced a best ET of 12.143 @ 117 MPH. I backed this up with 12.161 and 12.162 ET's. This is with a full tank of fuel, spare tire, jack, and portable air compressor in the trunk. If anyone doubts my claim I have my time slips and even a video of my best run that shows the time on the sign at the end of the track.
My point is that sales pitches about performance should be backed up with some proof. RENNtech is credible and reliable.
To all that have questions, feel free to e-mail me.
Thanks
Brad
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2002 E55K RENNtech HP
Being a newbie, I don't know where to look for previous performance postings, and would be interested in seeing such. Dyno testing results can be impressive but to me the most important thing is what can you do with the power on the track. I agree that RENNtech's system is not inexpensive but disagree with the idea that the new E55K will be nearly as quick. My post was not meant to annoy but rather to encourage others with aftermarket superchargers to post performance results for comparison.
Brad, maybe you could repost the the hard data you speak of instead of talking about fair and my one post.
To all, I am not trying to sell anything, just wishing to share experiences.
Brad, maybe you could repost the the hard data you speak of instead of talking about fair and my one post.
To all, I am not trying to sell anything, just wishing to share experiences.
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I think everyone can benefit from reading Vadim's post regarding various types of superchargers and their efficiency/reliability:
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...755#post200755
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...755#post200755
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Superchargers
Brad,
One thing I haven't seen mentioned concerning supercharger installations is reinforcing the engine blocks to deal with the increased stresses. These engine blocks are aluminum and may need extra support in the main bearing areas. What does Kleeman do to address this?
One thing I haven't seen mentioned concerning supercharger installations is reinforcing the engine blocks to deal with the increased stresses. These engine blocks are aluminum and may need extra support in the main bearing areas. What does Kleeman do to address this?
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nothing as nothing needs to be done.
We have had (and currently have another) motor out for all kinds of work (including conversion to a 6.2l) and can tell you it is NOT needed.
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We have had (and currently have another) motor out for all kinds of work (including conversion to a 6.2l) and can tell you it is NOT needed.
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Originally posted by HPS
We supercharge E430, E55, ML430, ML55, ML500, CLK430, CLK55, CLK500, C43 and the new 500 models soon.
We supercharge E430, E55, ML430, ML55, ML500, CLK430, CLK55, CLK500, C43 and the new 500 models soon.
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We don't see any problems with the new 500s
We don't see any problems with the new 500s
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Originally posted by HPS
Great!
Great!
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I doubt you'll get a straight answer from HPS since either them or Timster will disclose any info right now. All we can do is wait for Timster answer when all his legal matters has be resolved.
I doubt you'll get a straight answer from HPS since either them or Timster will disclose any info right now. All we can do is wait for Timster answer when all his legal matters has be resolved.
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Eric
I doubt you'll get a straight answer from HPS since either them or Timster will disclose any info right now. All we can do is wait for Timster answer when all his legal matters has be resolved.
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I doubt you'll get a straight answer from HPS since either them or Timster will disclose any info right now. All we can do is wait for Timster answer when all his legal matters has be resolved.
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Yeah, youre right, i would just at least like HPS admit that they had some things to work out with Timsters car.....thats all, he can say that....
Yeah, youre right, i would just at least like HPS admit that they had some things to work out with Timsters car.....thats all, he can say that....
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Originally posted by HPS
Ken, I would be wary from competitors ideas and thoughts about the Eaton system. Since they are only interested in you buying their product. HPS runs low boost to protect the drive train. Intercooler is not required with low temp. If your running high boost 5+ intercooler is required. Example: I touched the ducting / S/C after an extreme test run on our S/C E430 and experience no heat what so ever. Point made
Check www.eaton.com website and you can read how efficient the Eaton system is. Which is feature on over 20 different makers. Efficient?
Ken, I would be wary from competitors ideas and thoughts about the Eaton system. Since they are only interested in you buying their product. HPS runs low boost to protect the drive train. Intercooler is not required with low temp. If your running high boost 5+ intercooler is required. Example: I touched the ducting / S/C after an extreme test run on our S/C E430 and experience no heat what so ever. Point made
Check www.eaton.com website and you can read how efficient the Eaton system is. Which is feature on over 20 different makers. Efficient?
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Your knowlegde about superchargeing an engine with a CR of 10:1 on 430 and 500 and 10,5:1 on the 55 is so low , so there should have been a law against speaking out in public forums.
I can't wait to hear what happened with Timsters engine, on the other hand I know already.:o :o :o
Your knowlegde about superchargeing an engine with a CR of 10:1 on 430 and 500 and 10,5:1 on the 55 is so low , so there should have been a law against speaking out in public forums.
I can't wait to hear what happened with Timsters engine, on the other hand I know already.:o :o :o
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Originally posted by HPS
I 100% agree with you Cory, the consumer needs to be given information about a potential product. However, sometimes customers have to be wary on which point of view their given.
Have you ever notice History is written by the winners not the losers? Your making false statements about an our system being less efficient due lack of intercooling and the Eaton. Just to get an order. I know it and so do you.
I 100% agree with you Cory, the consumer needs to be given information about a potential product. However, sometimes customers have to be wary on which point of view their given.
Have you ever notice History is written by the winners not the losers? Your making false statements about an our system being less efficient due lack of intercooling and the Eaton. Just to get an order. I know it and so do you.