W210 AMG Discuss the W210 AMG's such as the E50, E55, and E60
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Manual shifting/downshifting questions

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old 05-03-2007, 11:10 AM
  #1  
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
felthove's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
2002 E55
Manual shifting/downshifting questions

How many of you use the manual shift option in your car? I find that if I downshift to 3rd gear at about 60mph I hit 3K rpm and can really take off if I want to pass someone or smoke some chump

Have any of you that race timed your manual speeds versus the automatic shifting?

Finally, lately I have been downshifting when coming to a stop to use some engine braking rather than my brakes (to reduce brake dust and keep wheels cleaner longer -- don't laugh!). Is this bad on the engine and should I stop doing this?

Thanks!
Old 05-03-2007, 09:57 PM
  #2  
Member
 
fireice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 111
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
500E
Don't do it unless on the track

It's great for traction in the corner. However, there is more wear and tear on engine and brakes are much cheaper to R/R.
Old 05-03-2007, 10:00 PM
  #3  
Super Member
 
OldNate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: California
Posts: 563
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
1998 E320
eh, some people say it is bad, some people say it doesn't. Personally, iv'e been doing it a long time and i'm still on my first engine and tranny at 165k miles. I drive my car preety hard too. The cars were made to take the heat. Most likely, there will be a lot of people posting here saying that it is bad, but they have no evidence showing so. They will just use their head, but have no personal experience. So do what you want
Old 05-04-2007, 11:45 AM
  #4  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
zoink's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,450
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
1989 Toyota Tercel EZ - dyno'd @ 70whp/77wtq
Put it this way...

Downkick - whether you manually or automatically downshift - would certainly add more stress to the tranny and the engine. Why? It will give a sudden surge on the tranny and engine speed.

Here's an analogy:
Try to jog on a treadmill.... Then you all of the sudden speed up... then slow down... then speed up again... then slow down again... Would it make you tired faster? It's the same thing as the tranny and engine.

Now... the tranny may still last 200K but that's not the point. The point is that it will shorten the life of the tranny. But it may not be short enough for you.

As for down shifting to get the car to stop.... well, it will also put more stress to the tranny but not as bad as you downkick (downshift and floor the gas). Whether you realize or not, the engine does downshift as you brake.
Old 05-04-2007, 01:18 PM
  #5  
Out Of Control!
 
JamE55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: CA, NV, CO
Posts: 21,005
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Not sure what you're talking about but i'm on 3rd gear all the time!
Old 05-07-2007, 09:56 AM
  #6  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
xlr8tin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 2,021
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
2011 GL550, 2004 Audi S4 v8
Well, for me it is one of the main features that I love about these cars. I don't miss treat it though. I don't like the rpms too high like what you're saying in third gear.

I like using the manushift the most going through town when I have to stop and go often at every light. It helps with quick stops, but I don't get above 35mph.

But I use it all the time and will continue to.

The way I see it... is Mercedes wouldn't have made it if not to use it.
Old 05-09-2007, 02:40 AM
  #7  
Out Of Control!!
 
Eurosport's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: around the world
Posts: 12,470
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
monowiper
i'll take the 5th ammendment not gear

it's fine to shift, if it wasn't it wouldn't be there in the first place
Old 05-09-2007, 01:36 PM
  #8  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
xlr8tin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 2,021
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
2011 GL550, 2004 Audi S4 v8
Originally Posted by Eurosport
if it wasn't it wouldn't be there in the first place

Hey, that's what I said (different wording) ..lol

So now you have a least two people that agree with you
Old 05-09-2007, 06:24 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
Hazy1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: P'cola, FL
Posts: 455
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
'03 E55
+3

Like Zoink said, the car will downshift on its own as you slow down, just with less force than you are doing manually. I've noticed that I can go 2-3 times longer driving with the same amount of brake dust. I've also done this in past Mercedes, including one that was totaled with 275,000 miles (I put on 160,000 of those in 3 years) and the tranny was still working flawlessly.
Old 05-13-2007, 05:33 AM
  #10  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
ProjectC55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: City with Tall buildings!
Posts: 5,475
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
C43/55,2k11 Volvo S60 T6AWD,2k Audi B5 S4,95 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD 500+awhp
When racing I just let the tranny and ECU handle all the shifting. Seems to perform better on it's own especially in the 1/4 mile.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: Manual shifting/downshifting questions



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:34 PM.