W210 AMG Discuss the W210 AMG's such as the E50, E55, and E60

True measured performance

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Sep 8, 2016 | 04:57 PM
  #1  
Jan AMG's Avatar
Thread Starter
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,433
Likes: 119
From: Behind the wheel
The best or nothing
True measured performance

Have you dynoed your car?
If so, what hp/tq did you get?
I sent my E55 to dyno and got these results..
Hp: 341.8
Nm: 455

I later found out the gear mode selector was switched to W mode. Can this be the reason why the performance was slighly limited?
Everything else on the car is close to factory/mint condition.
Attached Thumbnails True measured performance-image.jpeg  
Reply
Old Sep 8, 2016 | 04:58 PM
  #2  
Jan AMG's Avatar
Thread Starter
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,433
Likes: 119
From: Behind the wheel
The best or nothing
Yeah and I used Natural 95 RON petrol this time so the lowest octane rating possible (you can buy 98 RON or 100 RON in Europe).

Last edited by Jan AMG; Sep 9, 2016 at 01:50 AM.
Reply
Old Sep 8, 2016 | 11:49 PM
  #3  
CharlyE500's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 4,411
Likes: 69
From: Socal, Chino
E55 2006 / CLS55 / S450 / Jag XKR2011
We only have 91 in California... not much choices.
Reply
Old Sep 9, 2016 | 01:49 AM
  #4  
Jan AMG's Avatar
Thread Starter
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,433
Likes: 119
From: Behind the wheel
The best or nothing
Hi, thanks for your input. Californian 91 AKI equals European 95 RON.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

I will try another dyno with 100 RON and see difference it makes.
Reply
Old Sep 9, 2016 | 10:23 AM
  #5  
Jan AMG's Avatar
Thread Starter
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,433
Likes: 119
From: Behind the wheel
The best or nothing
Reply
Old Sep 9, 2016 | 10:54 AM
  #6  
IanB's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 133
Likes: 3
From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
'99 E55t AMG
Starting in "W" mode would only mean the trans would start off in 2nd gear, rather than 1st. I assume you'd be doing your dyno run in 4th gear, so that shouldn't make any difference to your results.

As your dyno results would be "at the wheels" you would expect there to be driveline loss to the tune of 20% or so for an auto (just a guess), if that figure is in the right ballpark that would put your HP if stock at just over 280hp. Your figures are much stronger than that, so you're either pretty heavily modified, or there's been some "tinkering" with the dyno calibration to get the figures you're seeing, perhaps trying to convert to a flywheel hp level (as the engine is rated from factory).

Great pics on the dyno btw, car looks amazing!
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 03:24 AM
  #7  
Jan AMG's Avatar
Thread Starter
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,433
Likes: 119
From: Behind the wheel
The best or nothing
Hi Ian, thanks. You made me learn more about it.

The driveline loss is calculated by the dyno system. It should be 15% (auto + RWD).
If you would add this to my current output I'd have over 400hp and my car is bone stock so that is not possible.

The dyno guys told most of the atmospheric engines eg. M273 500 V8 should have 388hp but they measure around 350hp, even 330hp. On the other hand, most of turbo charged engines get exact factory values, even up to 10% more.

I will do another test run in the next week, this time with a better fuel.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 10:42 AM
  #8  
IanB's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 133
Likes: 3
From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
'99 E55t AMG
I think you'll find the actual driveline loss on these cars is much higher than 15%, I'd believe that for a manual transmission. Our cars are likely more like 25%. These transmissions are pretty beefy, they use them behind the V12's as well, but I think they suck up a lot of the power in the process of getting it to the wheels. Here's a great link I found:

http://www.superstreetonline.com/how...in-power-loss/
Reply
MB World Stories

The Best of Mercedes & AMG

story-0

6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 03:42 PM
  #9  
NAFT1's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 181
Likes: 7
From: Dallas, TX
1999 E55 AMG, 2004 Big Turbo A4; 2005 C240 Wagon 4matic; 2003 G500; 2013 Sprinter 172
Originally Posted by IanB
I think you'll find the actual driveline loss on these cars is much higher than 15%, I'd believe that for a manual transmission. Our cars are likely more like 25%. These transmissions are pretty beefy, they use them behind the V12's as well, but I think they suck up a lot of the power in the process of getting it to the wheels. Here's a great link I found:

http://www.superstreetonline.com/how...in-power-loss/
20% is the accepted figure, but it's not exact. The 722.6 (with different clutches and converters across the range) had to put down power in everything from the C320 all the way up to the SL73 and McLaren SLR, so it is massively overbuilt to contain the torque and sucks up more of the HP than many other auto gearboxes. Stock should dyno at about 270-290 rwhp from what I've seen out there, and depending on the type of dyno. Winter mode changes the reverse gear ration (we have 2 reverse gears), locks out 1st gear, and I believe also changes the lockup point in some of the gears to limit torque to the rear wheels at low RPM. If they used 15% as the correction factor, you are at about 296 whp, which is healthy for these cars unmodified.
Reply

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:28 AM.

story-0
6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)

Slideshow: Not every Mercedes design becomes timeless, some feel stuck in the era they came from.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:09:07


VIEW MORE
story-1
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun

Slideshow: Yes, Mercedes built manual cars, and some of them are far more interesting than you'd expect.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-02 12:36:58


VIEW MORE
story-2
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren

Slideshow: A one-of-one U.S.-spec Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Roadster became even rarer after a factory-backed transformation at McLaren's headquarters.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-29 11:19:28


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

Slideshow: Before curves took over, Mercedes mastered the art of the straight line, and some of those shapes still look right today.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-25 12:05:49


VIEW MORE
story-4
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction

Slideshow: The 190E Evolution II shows how a homologation necessity became a six-figure collector icon.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-22 17:53:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know

Slideshow: Mercedes is turning one of its core nameplates electric, and the details show just how serious this shift is.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:58:06


VIEW MORE
story-6
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know

Slideshow: Faster charging, longer range, and a controversial steer-by-wire system define the latest evolution of Mercedes-Benz EQS.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-15 10:35:34


VIEW MORE
story-7
5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve

Slideshow: These overlooked Mercedes-Benz models never got the spotlight, but they quietly delivered more than most remember.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-13 19:35:45


VIEW MORE
story-8
Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping

Slideshow: A well-used 1991 Mercedes-Benz 300D with more than one million miles is now looking for a new owner, and it still appears ready for more.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-10 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used

Slideshow: From bulletproof sedans to surprisingly tough SUVs, these Mercedes models proved that the three-pointed star can go the distance.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-08 09:55:49


VIEW MORE