Hooblah

Thanks. Well let's see.

It will be mated to a 6 speed manual, and it's not in a 210 either. I only started the thread here as I thought it would be the best place to discuss na m113's...

90lxracer

Yikes!! I didn't see the tabs at first.. the first one on the second tab (4003605) that one is going to have some chop behind it, but it's also on a 108 lobe center, you'd kill a bit of it if you could get that one on a 112, maybe a 115. but it's still going to be pretty damn lopey at idle FOR SURE. Also, a converter will be a MUST at that type of cam.

The rest are kind of all over the place, and I don't think you're looking for a mechanical conversion cam.. seems like it'd be more of a headache than it's worth. The one dude recommended isn't a bad choice for the parameters you seem to be setting for yourself. However, there are options madeby them that will absolutely get you where you're looking to go on the power front.. BUT you will be giving up idle quality for sure, maybe a touch of driveability. but that last is very subjective. What are you willing to deal with.. when I was younger.. I would deal with a lot of crappy driving motors because they made power.. I'm far less concerned with squeezing every last bit of power out of something I'm looking to drive on the road on the regular. But again.. there isn't a wrong answer here.

90lxracer

This changes things a good bit, at least as far as the whole converter discussion. Just throw that right out the window! lol Now it's just a matter of what kind of idle quality you're hunting for, and also what a cam will ultimately "clean up" as rpm goes up. Will it clean up at your final drive freeway operating rpm? That's going to be your big question..

Hooblah

Now that's a good question. A question I can't answer because I have no experience. Fine if I was in the US, plenty of modified v8's running around that I could look at and experience. Not really the case here in the UK. The majority of people have never owned a v8, and even less modify them with aftermarket cams. There are obviously people I can speak with on forums, but would it make a difference from engine to engine? I.e. would a certain grind on one engine behave or feel different on something else?

Cruising rpm would be between 1k-3k. At 70 in 6th I'm likely to be at 3k. But even cruising around town I like to stay in a high gear and keep rpm down as low as possible.

eurochargedw210

I know you definitely have to be worried about the piston to valve clearances in these motors also.

eurochargedw210

Never said I was an expert, just always like learning new info, or prospective of others. I was just trying to help you with cams.

PTE made the best cams for 113, but good luck finding there info. He only made about 20 sets. Usually gain 25whp on an na113

90lxracer

For the most part, cams that are the same grind sound less radical as the engine gets bigger. Using American V8s as an example, a cam with same that 230 duration at .050 in a 350 will sound healthy, in a 406-434 (common SBC sizes) it will sound pretty mild, but you'll know it's there, in a 283, it'll sound like a beast. lol

So, if you're hunting for a sound/idle, look for things of roughly the same displacement, same number of cylinders, regardless of the make, and look for different cams. The easy one is in the chevy 350, but it frankly doesn't matter. find a sound you like, then search those cam specs.. it'll get you in the ball park. There's TONS of youtube videos of people with "my 350 with "x" cam" just see what they're talking about... Talk to the catcam place.. see what they have to say as well. What I personally think would be kind of a cool cam, is a combo of their 2 hot cams.. but the 236 on the intake side, with the big cam's lift, and but the 244 duration on the exhaust with the lower lift. Put the thing on like a 110-112 lobe center and let'er rip

v8sonly

I, for one, just got a little more interested....whats the build?

ccrelan

Rennsport Factory in the UK just posted on Facebook ITB set ups for m112 and m113 engines

Hooblah

It's going into a 190e.

Lol rennsport factory. 400% markup for reselling products. I'll make my own for 10% of what he charges thanks.

Hooblah

Why specifically that combo?

I've tried watching vids on YouTube of various cams. Most of them are choppy af.

v8sonly

AWESOME

dfreret

Having had a 190e in years past, I approve this message. That will be an absolute riot to drive.

eurochargedw210

E9X M# ITB almost fit perfect. just need to make an adapter. Check out Garage764 on instagram

Hooblah

Who do you think garage764 gets its inspiration from?

eurochargedw210

Oh my bad . Do you have Instagram?

Hooblah

Lol I joke. Yes, but I don't use it.

v8sonly

https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...-mercedes.html

Just some food for thought, looks like one person in this thread already found that one though...

dre5373

Oddly enough, “PTE” cams were actually “VRP” cams. Different company I assume, but here are the part numbers if anyone needs to verify a used set. Also, FYI it was 40 sets.

Best of luck achieving your goals!

eurochargedw210

Yes they are the same specs. But who knows where they are made now, and the hardness and proper coating

eurochargedw210

Most everyone VRP sales is pure Chinese junk, or a knock off of another companies parts.

eurochargedw210

Have you installed these in an NA113 or 113k, with a dyno?

dre5373

Jake felt no need to adjust the custom EC dyno tune after the cam install as he felt the ECU was adjusting well. The cams alone dropped me from a 12.345 @ 113.50 to 12.105 @ 115.56

eurochargedw210

was this the white c55 that ending up making 377?

dre5373

Yes, that was on a dyno jet, this was the last run I ever did though.