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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 10:46 PM
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IBE55, I would love to see your post mod dyno graph. I bet it's freakin' crazy...can you post that as well?
I haven't had the post-mod dyno yet. I was going to drive the car for a while, let the mods settle down, ECU remapping, building history, etc.
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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 10:55 PM
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How are you all getting the readings from such low RPMs like 3.8K and {gasp} 1600rpm??? I just did had mine dyno'ed and the graph is only from 4th gear above 4600rpm... problem with downshifting trying to get a reading below that.
I think mine was just 4th all the way up to redline. No downshifting....she was in M mode all the way.
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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 11:03 PM
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I think mine was just 4th all the way up to redline. No downshifting....she was in M mode all the way.
Ahh... that's right ... use-gies have the "M" mode...
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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by darren_dallas
That's what I want to know as well. It looks like some of these show peak torque in the 3,000's rpm range. How did they do that?

The shop I went to (graph posted at the top of this thread) took about 4 pulls before they were able to start recording due to the car down shifting to third. Finally they figured out they needed to move through the gears easy and when they got to fourth gear they should push on the gas a little softer as they worked their way down to full throttle then mash the gas after they felt they were past the point of down shifting.
...great details ... ya, the place I just had it done didn't give a sh*t to try even though I tried instructing them to do so!
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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by darren_dallas
I wonder if the place where I've had the dynos done can just start from first gear and work their way to fourth? Would there be any harm in doing it that way?
That's how they did it where I just had it done... NFG. No finesse. You end up with just a run of 4th after up-shifting from 3rd ... mid-4000 rpm & up depending on your gearing.
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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 11:24 PM
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This may be a stupid question, but I wonder if they could just get in the car, put it in drive and floor the gas and let the ecu run up to redline and let the computer shift from 1st->2nd->3rd->4th? Would that be dangerous?
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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by darren_dallas
This may be a stupid question, but I wonder if they could just get in the car, put it in drive and floor the gas and let the ecu run up to redline and let the computer shift from 1st->2nd->3rd->4th? Would that be dangerous?
...are you reading responses??? I just answered the 1st time you asked that immediately before this post of yours.
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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 11:35 PM
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...are you reading responses??? I just answered the 1st time you asked that immediately before this post.
LOL...yes I am. My fault, I thought you were confirming they put the car in manumatic mode and moved through the gears like I was explaining in my earlier post by shifting them manually. Just a misunderstanding.
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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
I think mine was just 4th all the way up to redline. No downshifting....she was in M mode all the way.
Ditto per Brandon for best results
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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by darren_dallas
LOL...yes I am. My fault, I thought you were confirming they put the car in manumatic mode and moved through the gears like I was explaining in my earlier post by shifting them manually. Just a misunderstanding.
Gotch'ya. no prob. Anyway, problem doing that is there's a lot of parasitic losses in 1st & 2nd (less so in third but of course more then 4th, which is usually 1:1 in-out) ... when I had the dyno run with the tranni just in second, I only got 270 hp to the wheels instead of the near 300 measured in 4th... but as mentioned, I then can't get a reading where I want it in 4th -- between 2K - 4K.
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 04E55 AMG
Ditto per Brandon for best results
How are they doing it so the car doesn't down shift into 3rd gear?
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by darren_dallas
They didn't say it was corrected for anything. The only thing they said was they have a very conservative dyno and that theirs usually reads 15-20 hp less than other dynojets

What should they be correcting for?

Does anyone else have their dyno sheets from their stock cars? Come on folks, surely someone has their graph so I may compare the curves and air-to-fuel ratios.
Typically they "correct" for ambient conditions to sea level and ideal temp and humidity, I believe. There's a good chance your car is up there with most others, just the numbers were not corrected to compensate for the temperature and humidity in your situation.
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 02:44 AM
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what kind of dynos do people use dynojet or mustang becasue i've heard that there are significant differences.
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 08:29 AM
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what kind of dynos do people use dynojet or mustang becasue i've heard that there are significant differences.
For mine they used a Dynojet 240. I read mustang dynos are significantly lower as well.
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by medici78
Typically they "correct" for ambient conditions to sea level and ideal temp and humidity, I believe. There's a good chance your car is up there with most others, just the numbers were not corrected to compensate for the temperature and humidity in your situation.
medici78 is right, they are basically going to correct for air density. That way when you go back after your mods, you have the same factors to work off of. As you see, air makes a big difference in power and when you do a mod you want to know if it helped. The only way to do that is to correct the numbers so that each run is based on the same air temp, humidity etc... BTW your numbers are not corrected. Horsepower and torque will alway cross around 5250rpm's. If they cross earlier than that you know the numbers are corrected.

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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 10:11 AM
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BTW your numbers are not corrected. Horsepower and torque will alway cross around 5250rpm's. If they cross earlier than that you know the numbers are corrected.
I'd like to make one correction. (LOL - no pun intended) The only way they will cross before of after 5252 is if the vertical axis for torque and HP are not the same; say, if HP runs from 0-400 on the left, torque runs from 0-500 (or anything different) on the right. I just had a dyno done and I was po'ed that I only noticed later after I left the two axis were different so the graphs don't cross @ 5252.
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 10:15 AM
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Last question from me. I totally trust Kleemann to dyno my car, but to bring it in to some schmoo scares the crap outta me....mainly in the "where to tie it down" category. Read one post where the jerks tied it down to suspension parts and bent the crap outta them.

Any places I can tell these guys to hook it to underneath.

"Okay Mr Jakpro1 we're all set to start the dyno.....we hooked her on niiiiice and tight to your bumper....she's not going anywhere......K Joe....HIT IT!!!"

That's usually the part where I wake up sweating....
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Last question from me. I totally trust Kleemann to dyno my car, but to bring it in to some schmoo scares the crap outta me....mainly in the "where to tie it down" category. Read one post where the jerks tied it down to suspension parts and bent the crap outta them.

Any places I can tell these guys to hook it to underneath.

"Okay Mr Jakpro1 we're all set to start the dyno.....we hooked her on niiiiice and tight to your bumper....she's not going anywhere......K Joe....HIT IT!!!"

That's usually the part where I wake up sweating....
Jim, I would say a good place who knows what they're doing and can easily tie it down. Of course, now that you mention it...ever since my dyno I do have to turn my steering wheel pretty far to the right to drive straight ; ) just kidding.
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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 11:38 AM
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Mine, done around noon time of 36c. Not sure of elevation. Very hot and humid day.

Sorry guys i had to ink out some of my car private details.
Attached Thumbnails Dyno Graphs...Any Techs on Here?-p1000166-medium-.jpg  
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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 01:45 PM
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James,

That is amazing power. You must have an ecu upgrade based on the numbers, would that be correct? Also, did they provide you with an air-to-fuel graph?

Thanks for sharing,

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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 01:56 PM
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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 10:05 PM
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James,

That is amazing power. You must have an ecu upgrade based on the numbers, would that be correct? Also, did they provide you with an air-to-fuel graph?

Thanks for sharing,

Darren
No Darren, you've mistaken, my car is a CL65! Not E55. Thats why those figures. The car is bone stock. I just broke her in at 1100miles and brought her to get dynoed lol!
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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 10:09 PM
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No Darren, you've mistaken, my car is a CL65! Not E55. Thats why those figures. The car is bone stock. I just broke her in at 1100miles and brought her to get dynoed lol!
James,

I know it's a CL65 based on the graph (and your profile). I just thought the numbers where a little higher than a normal 65 series. There's no way a 55 (E, S, SL, or CL) would make that much power with a ecu, much less a pulley and headers.

Congrats on the new car

Cheers,

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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 10:43 PM
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I am begging you to get the ECU mod.....Kleemann says it instantly bumps you to 730hp. HO-LEE-CRAP. You will be a pavement torching monster.

Wow, I wonder what you would run with near 1000ft lbs of torque.....besides off the road.....heh heh. Think Trey has it and runs near 11 flat.




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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 05:00 AM
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No Darren, you've mistaken, my car is a CL65! Not E55. Thats why those figures. The car is bone stock. I just broke her in at 1100miles and brought her to get dynoed lol!
how did they determine the crank numbers (15%,20% or some other?)
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