e55 baller

I just got back from the Mustang dyno.

Conditions:

Temp was 80 degrees
Humidity: 54%
Pressure: 30.09 in.

2 years ago with K&N filters, the snorkle and the speedtuning chip the car dynoed 401 rwhp, 439 rwtq. With this configuration minus the speedtuning chip the car went 12.2@114 with a bad/low bar. pressure of 28.4 (DA of 2K ft.). 60 foot was 1.84.

Today the tech was NOT able to get the car into dyno mode but the car seemed ok to him but the results below were disappointing. I followed the CL55 dyno post but still could not get it into dyno mode. He ran it 4-5 times and it was all over the map.

He had the start stop mph all screwy (dynoed in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc). The only time the car made it to redline it put up an anemic 388rwhp and 475rwtq. Note my mods below.

A/F was 10.6 from 5K to 6.2K redline. Isn't that rich?? What should it be to make safe power? I may need Kleeman to do a revision.

The only dyno plot that looked somewhat decent (521 rwtq@3000) was cut off at a predetermined MPH limiting the car to a dyno plot to a max of 4250 rpms.

I picked up my old 401/439 dyno and this is what I saw:

Dyno 1 (K&N, speedtuning) 300 rwhp@4250 435 rwtq @3000
Dyno 2 (mods below) 368 rwhp@4250 521 rwtq @3000

If I extrapolate it I would have expected 470rwhp and 520 rwtq. NOTE THIS IS ON A MUSTANG DYNO which usually dyno's less than a dyno jet.

Another thing to note was that the additional Evo cooling pump was puffing I assume coolant when the car was hot. I noticed a small hole up top. Normal?

Thanks for your comments. I think I just need to goto the track to see my MPH and ET. With all these mods I would think I could see a 120 mph trap.

Jakpro1

If you still have the Speedtuing Chip in.....yup, she is running super rich. Kleemann was stunned at how much fuel Oliver had dumping into the motor. They totally understood though as he is being safe and that is cool. I picked up another 20 hp on the dyno just by swapping from Speedtuning to the Kleemann ECU. Leaned out the fuel and timing was bumped back.

Speedtuning is still the best mod for the bucks though...nothing bad to say bout Oliver....great guy.

blackbenzz

Didint know so many people did speed tuning USA ECU's. I have a hook up with him if anyone wants something from him.

e55 baller

Actually I have the Kleeman ECU in now...10.6 though seems very rich! I may need to send it back out to Cory to get it to run leaner but safe.

What is the target A/F at redline for our cars to make safe HP? I think it has to be at least 11.5 or 12. I had my old Supra tuned to 12.5.

Vadim @ evosport

E55 Baller: Your numbers on the extrapolated run sound about right. You should be in high 400s on HP and low 500s on the TQ.

Can you get to Dynojet? Or better yet drag strip?

e55 baller

Vadim,

Yep I am going to do both. I am not a mustang dyno fan. I will upload the 368 rwhp@4200 and 521rwtq@3000 rpms as soon as I can scan it and get a real ET pass. What should the MPH look like? 120-122?

Also is the EVO pump desiged to puff out of the small hole on the side by the top when the car gets hot? I have some video of it happened. Looked to be normal but I didn't expect it.

medici78

Sorry to hear the results were not what you expected.

Vadim @ evosport

Baller: I am not sure about which hole you are reffering to, but there should be no puffing. Can you send me that video? Vadim@evosport.com. Thanks.

Fast55

Way rich. You'll pick up HP and TQ getting it closer to 12:1.

medici78

Isn't mid-11's safer for a boosted application?

darren_dallas

E55Baller,

I had basically your exact setup until a couple of weeks ago (evosport headers, hennessey pulley, and speedtuningusa chip). I was making weak power...literally 423rwhp on a dynojet. My ecu was running pig rich and bottoming out at 10 by 5400 rpm's.

Once I put the Kleemann ecu in (at this point I only changed the ecu to Kleemann) I dyno'd at 483 rwhp and got up to 530 rwtq. In addition, I'm going to go a step farther than Jim (Jakpro1) is willing to do. I truly think Oliver doesn't know what the hell he's doing. In addition, I think his customer service skills are lacking and he's lucky I can afford to **** away $300 and not come after him. Anyway, that's a whole different topic that I have decided to leave off this board, but the bottom line is STAY AWAY FROM SPEEDTUNINGUSA.

Go Kleemann. Brandon and Cory know exactly what they are doing and their customer service rocks. With your setup you will pick up major horsepower by going Kleemann. PM me if you want to discuss it over the phone. My initial setup was exactly like yours.

Cheers,

Darren

darren_dallas

One more thing, I posted on here (along with a few others I'm sure) how to get the E55 into Dyno mode. For my first dyno pull I made sure to print off the instructions and take them with me to the shop performing the dyno. I put the car into dyno mode myself and then gave it to them to pull into their shop.

Print it off from this site (search under my id) and then practice in your house garage/driveway first. You'll be thankful because it's easy to mess it up going from memory.

Fast55

No, I'll bet Darren's around 12:1 as well. As long as there's no hint of detonation, that's about as rich as you should need it, especially all who are outside Ca. and don't have to deal with 91 gas.

e55 baller

The weird thing is that my ECU IS Kleeman and I am seeing 10.6 A/F from 5k to redline.

I had that flashed 8 weeks ago when I got rid of the Speedtuning stuff. I need to talk to cory to sort it out. I will post A/F and dyno plots when i get them scanned, thanks.

darren_dallas

E55Baller,

Don't worry...mine was as well when I was using the Hennessey pulley. The issue is that the pulley by Hennessey is putting out more boost than the pulley from Kleemann and the other tuners. It's about an inch larger in diameter. Cory's ecu file is made for their pulley, not Hennessey's so what you see the computer dumping in much more fuel to compensate for the extra boost at higher rpm's. Basically the computer thinks the boost should be at a lower setting and is just trying to protect the engine.

If you get the car in dyno mode and actually test it from 4th gear I'm confident you'll be putting down about 470+ rwhp. If you're in TX just drive up to Dallas and we'll all go on some runs against some stock E55's and you'll see right away if you're putting down more power.

darren_dallas

Fast55,

You're very close. The last test done by Kleemann shows my a/f starting at about 12.75 (at 1000 rpms) and finishing at 11.5 (at 6500 rpms).

Cheers,

Darren

e55 baller

Vadim -- You got mail. Btw, in the video it looks like the spray is coming out of the top cap where there is a pre fabricated hole. Thanks.

Vadim @ evosport

Isaac, what you are looking at is a reservior, not the pump. The pump is down in at the front, next to heat exchanger. This is why I was confused about a "hole on top" that you were reffering to.

The hole is there to went any gases. You will only see this on the dyno, since there is simply not enough cooling from dyno fans vs. actual air flow through the front of the car at 140 mph.
Just make sure to keep the reservior about half full.

e55 baller

Thanks Vadim. I will keep it half full, thanks for the diagnosis and education

BoostedV8

My E55 works great with the Kleeman headers and Hennessey pulley kit with the STOCK computer. The only way you are going to get true air fuel numbers is to put a bung ahead of the cats. FYI.