Am I the only one unimpressed with the new BMW M series?
09-10-2005, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by medici78
Who told you the M5 pulls over 1.00g on the skidpad??
09-10-2005, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cte430
And how often do you plan on doing this on the street LOL. This talk is such nonsense. Trust me, having recently taken hot laps with Tommy Kendall, Jeff Andretti, and Randy Tolsma I can say with a high degree of confidence we all suck as drivers. KK, the great M owners/drivers that you talk about will use that car to such a small percentage of it's capabilities its laughable. Same goes for E users. Unless you are lucky to own a race track or have no other cars, cops, pedestrians, etc. - not likely to happen here in NY any time soon. Both great cars, but please remember you will never approach either's limits.
Thanks for giving everyone a reality check bro
You put things in such perspective 
09-10-2005, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by M&M
In Sport auto magazine a few months back there are some numbers posted for the Mercedes CLS55 AMG and the M5 tested in a shoot-out, so a side-by-side comparo on the same day:
0 - 40 km/h: CLS55: 1.5 sec / M5: 1.5 sec
0 - 60 km/h: CLS55: 2.3 sec / M5: 2.3 sec
0 - 80 km/h: CLS55: 3.2 sec / M5: 3.5 sec
0 - 100 km/h: CLS55: 4.7 sec / M5: 4.5 sec
0 - 120 km/h: CLS55: 6.0 sec / M5: 5.9 sec
0 - 140 km/h: CLS55: 7.9 sec / M5: 7.4 sec
0 - 160 km/h: CLS55: 10.2 sec / M5: 9.2 sec
0 - 180 km/h: CLS55: 12.3 sec / M5: 11.6 sec
0 - 200 km/h: CLS55: 15.4 sec / M5: 13.8 sec
Acceleration in 4th/5th gear (CLS55):
80 - 100 km/h: 3.1 / 4.6 sec
80 - 120 km/h: 5.9 / 8.7 sec
80 - 140 km/h: 9.0 / 12.8 sec
80 - 160 km/h: 12.0 / 16.8 sec
80 - 180 km/h: 15.8 / - sec
Acceleration in 4th/5th/6th/7th gear (M5):
80 - 100 km/h: 2.2 / 3.2 / 3.6 / 4.7 sec
80 - 120 km/h: 4.5 / 5.9 / 6.9 / 9.9 sec
80 - 140 km/h: 6.9 / 8.7 / 10.2 / 14.6 sec
80 - 160 km/h: 8.8 / 11.7 / 13.5 / 19.0 sec
80 - 180 km/h: 10.8 / 14.4 / 17.3 / 23.9 sec
Note M5 one gear higher still pulls the 55 from as low as 50mph. But of course in a racing situation bot driver are gonna stomp it or flick the paddles & get the lowest gear possible & then the M5 will win as it is a revver with high rpm power & more than enough torque for its gearing.
But as my post has proven, even in a low rev lugging contest the M5 pulls the 55 due to gearing.
Hey Impro, how you doing man? I'm postin this from an Internet Cafe in Italy bud!
0 - 40 km/h: CLS55: 1.5 sec / M5: 1.5 sec
0 - 60 km/h: CLS55: 2.3 sec / M5: 2.3 sec
0 - 80 km/h: CLS55: 3.2 sec / M5: 3.5 sec
0 - 100 km/h: CLS55: 4.7 sec / M5: 4.5 sec
0 - 120 km/h: CLS55: 6.0 sec / M5: 5.9 sec
0 - 140 km/h: CLS55: 7.9 sec / M5: 7.4 sec
0 - 160 km/h: CLS55: 10.2 sec / M5: 9.2 sec
0 - 180 km/h: CLS55: 12.3 sec / M5: 11.6 sec
0 - 200 km/h: CLS55: 15.4 sec / M5: 13.8 sec
Acceleration in 4th/5th gear (CLS55):
80 - 100 km/h: 3.1 / 4.6 sec
80 - 120 km/h: 5.9 / 8.7 sec
80 - 140 km/h: 9.0 / 12.8 sec
80 - 160 km/h: 12.0 / 16.8 sec
80 - 180 km/h: 15.8 / - sec
Acceleration in 4th/5th/6th/7th gear (M5):
80 - 100 km/h: 2.2 / 3.2 / 3.6 / 4.7 sec
80 - 120 km/h: 4.5 / 5.9 / 6.9 / 9.9 sec
80 - 140 km/h: 6.9 / 8.7 / 10.2 / 14.6 sec
80 - 160 km/h: 8.8 / 11.7 / 13.5 / 19.0 sec
80 - 180 km/h: 10.8 / 14.4 / 17.3 / 23.9 sec
Note M5 one gear higher still pulls the 55 from as low as 50mph. But of course in a racing situation bot driver are gonna stomp it or flick the paddles & get the lowest gear possible & then the M5 will win as it is a revver with high rpm power & more than enough torque for its gearing.
But as my post has proven, even in a low rev lugging contest the M5 pulls the 55 due to gearing.
Hey Impro, how you doing man? I'm postin this from an Internet Cafe in Italy bud!
09-10-2005, 10:48 PM
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[QUOTE=M&M][QUOTE=enzom]Magazines mean squat.
And another thing. Great to say magazines mean squat when the results aren'tin your favour. I bet if the results were the other way around you'd change your tune.
So instead of magazines you think on the road encounters are more scientific? Hell anything can happen on the road man. Doesn't mean jack. But if you want on the road encounters I can post some videos of M5's whooping E55's. There's even a video of a stock M5 running away from a chipped E55. There's also videos of M5's passing 575 Ferrair's, 911 turbos, etc. PLEASE tell me you want the link wiseguy.
Seen them all. Thanks. Not too many of us care about how much harder the M5 pulls from 90 mph. Not that relevant here in the US. I can accept that the M5 is faster thanks to gearing that keeps it reving at 6,500 and up on gear changes.
And magazines mean squat. Period. When the cars get here and run from a dig, at a real track, then we know what they can run. So continue sifting through every magazine to compare numbers if it floats your boat. I used to do that when I was 15. It was cool then.
Sore loser? Not in the least. Haven't lost to an M5 at the strip yet. And if I do, I wouldn't really be all to bothered by it. I don't lose sleep over these things, as you seem to. Geez, you don't even own the damn car and you cry like a girl on a MB board. (I own my E55. Bought it myself. I drive it when I want.) By the way, aren't you number 2 on the list at your dealer for an M5? How much longer before you get yours? Something tells me (and most of the rest of us) that you are full of $#it. Wiseguy.
And another thing. Great to say magazines mean squat when the results aren'tin your favour. I bet if the results were the other way around you'd change your tune.
So instead of magazines you think on the road encounters are more scientific? Hell anything can happen on the road man. Doesn't mean jack. But if you want on the road encounters I can post some videos of M5's whooping E55's. There's even a video of a stock M5 running away from a chipped E55. There's also videos of M5's passing 575 Ferrair's, 911 turbos, etc. PLEASE tell me you want the link wiseguy.
Seen them all. Thanks. Not too many of us care about how much harder the M5 pulls from 90 mph. Not that relevant here in the US. I can accept that the M5 is faster thanks to gearing that keeps it reving at 6,500 and up on gear changes.
And magazines mean squat. Period. When the cars get here and run from a dig, at a real track, then we know what they can run. So continue sifting through every magazine to compare numbers if it floats your boat. I used to do that when I was 15. It was cool then.
Sore loser? Not in the least. Haven't lost to an M5 at the strip yet. And if I do, I wouldn't really be all to bothered by it. I don't lose sleep over these things, as you seem to. Geez, you don't even own the damn car and you cry like a girl on a MB board. (I own my E55. Bought it myself. I drive it when I want.) By the way, aren't you number 2 on the list at your dealer for an M5? How much longer before you get yours? Something tells me (and most of the rest of us) that you are full of $#it. Wiseguy.
09-10-2005, 11:54 PM
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[QUOTE=enzom][QUOTE=M&M]
Hey man! Hold yer horses; Car & Driver posted 4.1 sec 0-60 in the E55 Wagon in a recent issue. I'm still giving myself hosannas for buying one after reading that. Don't take that away from me - please!!!
Originally Posted by enzom
Magazines mean squat.
And magazines mean squat. Period.
And magazines mean squat. Period.
Hey man! Hold yer horses; Car & Driver posted 4.1 sec 0-60 in the E55 Wagon in a recent issue. I'm still giving myself hosannas for buying one after reading that. Don't take that away from me - please!!!
09-11-2005, 01:27 AM
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The problem is that your E55 block can't tolerate such high RPM.
I'm not knocking the M5 or BMW for their focus. Mercedes has, in the last few decades, been a company that prefers engines with greater low end grunt over engines that make all their power up top. Mercedes creates engines with effortless power rather than a work your **** off the get the car in the right rpm range to extract the most from the engine. I really prefer low end torque in a luxury car, some don't. That's why there are other cars better suited to those people.
Mercedes has done a great job at building very reliable engines and I really like the idea of forced induction in their AMG cars. I hope Mercedes/AMG does not abandon the use of superchargers and turbos. We all know it is easier to extract a much greater amount of power from a forced induction engine than a normally aspirated one.
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09-11-2005, 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by BoBcanada
who cares.... new Z06 is faster then all of u and SLR too.... Now what?
I dont think it is even faster than the SL 65, let alone an SLR!!
I wanna see a test where the new Z06 is getting lower than 11.7 and a higher trap speed than 126 mph on street tires (this is Treynor's best 1/4 result with stock tires and stock ECU)...
Fastest I've seen so far for a new Z06 is 11.7 @ 125!!
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09-11-2005, 01:59 AM
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Motor Trend Test Results
-- 0-60 ---- 1/4 Mile @ MPH --- Weight ---- HP --- LB/HP
SLR 3.6 ---- 11.6 @ 127.2 ------ 3858 ---- 617 --- 6.3
Z06 3.5 ---- 11.5 @ 127.1 ------ 3147 ---- 505 --- 6.2
SLR was tested in the Jan 2005 issue of MT. Z06- October 2005 issue.
-- 0-60 ---- 1/4 Mile @ MPH --- Weight ---- HP --- LB/HP
SLR 3.6 ---- 11.6 @ 127.2 ------ 3858 ---- 617 --- 6.3
Z06 3.5 ---- 11.5 @ 127.1 ------ 3147 ---- 505 --- 6.2
SLR was tested in the Jan 2005 issue of MT. Z06- October 2005 issue.
09-11-2005, 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BoBcanada
Motor Trend Test Results
-- 0-60 ---- 1/4 Mile @ MPH --- Weight ---- HP --- LB/HP
SLR 3.6 ---- 11.6 @ 127.2 ------ 3858 ---- 617 --- 6.3
Z06 3.5 ---- 11.5 @ 127.1 ------ 3147 ---- 505 --- 6.2
SLR was tested in the Jan 2005 issue of MT. Z06- October 2005 issue.
-- 0-60 ---- 1/4 Mile @ MPH --- Weight ---- HP --- LB/HP
SLR 3.6 ---- 11.6 @ 127.2 ------ 3858 ---- 617 --- 6.3
Z06 3.5 ---- 11.5 @ 127.1 ------ 3147 ---- 505 --- 6.2
SLR was tested in the Jan 2005 issue of MT. Z06- October 2005 issue.
Spend 300k$ (yeah right) on the SLR.
Spend 70k$ on the z06. Add 30k$ in mods = 100k$.
Guess which will be faster.... by a massive long shot
09-11-2005, 02:02 AM
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im so getting one later on when all the panic is off that car.... i walked in the dealership and they said smth like, We are gettng only 200 cars per year and that if u put a deposit now u should get your car somewhat late 2007. Im like yeah ok buddy, i'll see you in half a year when you'll have your dealership full packed with Z06s lol
09-11-2005, 02:52 AM
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Hot Diggity!!
I stand corrected!!
Time of the 1/4 mile tells you how QUICK the car is...
Trap speed tells you how FAST the car is...
Catch my drift?
And lets not get into the best performance car per $$$!! Obviously the Z06 beats the SLR in the category....
Stay on topic..
The M5 is faster than the E55... the 7 gears does it...
We still have to wait and see whta the magazine test of the new m5 is...
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I stand corrected!!
Time of the 1/4 mile tells you how QUICK the car is...
Trap speed tells you how FAST the car is...
Catch my drift?
And lets not get into the best performance car per $$$!! Obviously the Z06 beats the SLR in the category....
Stay on topic..
The M5 is faster than the E55... the 7 gears does it...
We still have to wait and see whta the magazine test of the new m5 is...
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09-11-2005, 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by reggid
M&M can you post a link or the article to verify that this was a same day test my memory suggest otherwise.
But you know what a difference conditions can make & I don't think the 4 second gap the M5 pulls from 80-180km/h (same gear) can be due to the conditions as they were almost identical.
Enzom, why don't you give it up man. You sound like a kid. M5 is faster even on the 1/4. Traps significantly higher than the 55 as well. & pulls away from it in a 1000rpm 5th/6th gear lugging contest as well.
I'm sure AMG will counter with the 63. Maybe it will be faster than the M5, maybe it won't. Maybe it won't even beat the E55. Who knows?
09-11-2005, 03:11 AM
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OMFG give it a rest already. What is the point of discussing the same bloody issue over and over again. Can we move onto the next subject now? This really is getting old. 
09-11-2005, 03:17 AM
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Yeah OK, I'm prepared to give it up after the kiddies stop living in a dream world. Enzom buddy, I know you believe all mags are rigged but here's how the 55 does against the M5 from a stop:
http://www.autozeitung.de/index.php?...tb=8¤t=2
http://www.autozeitung.de/index.php?...tb=8¤t=2
09-11-2005, 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by M&M
Yeah OK, I'm prepared to give it up after the kiddies stop living in a dream world. Enzom buddy, I know you believe all mags are rigged but here's how the 55 does against the M5 from a stop:
http://www.autozeitung.de/index.php?...tb=8¤t=2
http://www.autozeitung.de/index.php?...tb=8¤t=2
Part of the problem is you man. Accept that for a change. IF you stop they will stop.
09-11-2005, 03:25 AM
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OK then let me end with this. Autozeitung CLS55 vs Alpina:
And here's the same mag's test of the M5:
My work here is done. Say, where's Impro-man anyway to tell everyone what colour socks I'm wearing?
And here's the same mag's test of the M5:
My work here is done. Say, where's Impro-man anyway to tell everyone what colour socks I'm wearing?
09-11-2005, 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ricky.agrawal
Yellow?
Isn't the Alpina B5 a tuned M5? Or is it stock?
Isn't the Alpina B5 a tuned M5? Or is it stock?
09-11-2005, 07:32 AM
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Yeah its a 5 series body which is provided to ALpina. The test is done by them. In fact, even the X5 4.8is engine is an ALpina engine, not a BMW. It isn't a modd'd car as you buy it off the showroom floor like that with warranty, etc. They are a registered manufacturer not a tuner. Similar to RUF.
Not my cup of tea, but I'm sure it's a good car just like the 55's are. More a relaxed cruiser than a highly strung race-car. But that's the beauty of freedom of choice.
Not my cup of tea, but I'm sure it's a good car just like the 55's are. More a relaxed cruiser than a highly strung race-car. But that's the beauty of freedom of choice.
