FPV

Germancarfans.com has caught the e63 on film and has a small paragraph on it:

Somewhat more powerful will be the new E63 AMG T-Wagon by Mercedes, snapped here for the first time and yet wearing the facelifted grille and bumper. We expect the new power-estate to develop an output of something like 470bhp. Like the Audi S6, the new E63 could make its first public appearance at next year’s Geneva Show.

You can view the pictures at this site, it is a glimpse at the new update:


http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...id/6051215.002

Jakpro1

Well, if that is the case, we better figure out how we like to eat our humble pie. A 470hp E63 will get deessstrrrroooyyyed by the M5.

If they roll with a reduced hp 6.3 in the E class, I will be violent.

Wow, that is some of the worst news I have heard all year.

Again....the scene in the boardroom

"Okay gents, we have a true collector car on the market in the E55, anyone have an idea how we can F it up?"

Pee-on "We coullllddddd take off the blower and have it get humiliated by the new M5 in handling AND straight line performance"

"Brilliant Jenkins.....ohhhh, there's a future for you yet at Mercedes"

VelocitE55

Well if those pics are in fact the E63, I guess we dont need expect much of a facelift. Headlights look to be identical as does the rest of the car save for the front bumper.

chem0

No.. all lies..
I dont think it'l end up being 470hp, merc benz wont do that.

Plus this thread poster smells of troll

Kev04C320

Why would they put out a 63 engine that is making only 1 marketing HP more than the current lineup?

People here consistently dyno at ~500hp at the crank, so that would make it 30 real hp less than the current lineup.

If the 63 engine does not put out more than 500hp at the crank, it would be a waste of time. Moreover, they better think about the torque curve too, or else KLEEMANN will have to develop something to flatten out the torque curve ala supercharger.

e55 baller

poster -- 3 posts....troll?

Source: German Car Fans -- are they reputable?

"We expect the new power-estate to develop an output of something like 470bhp. "

what kind of language is that. I do not see any credibility here.

adx

That must be bullsh*T since the ML63 is clearly coming out with 503hp and why would MB roll out a E63 with less horsepower.

Roupin

MB has confirmed that the N/A 63 will have 503 hp.

Now the questions is, would the E/CLS get any F/I?

That article is worthless.

medici78

The grille looks bigger.

BoBcanada

well i doubt they would make ML63 more powerfull then a E63.

zdkdeeier493

This post means nothing. First of all, it is typical for AMG or MB in Germany to mount redesigned parts on existing vehicles for testing purposes. I have seen pictures from about a year or so ago of an E55 fitted with the same bumper as the SL65 with the round foglights, squared lower grill and gills on the sides. Was that an E63? I think not. Check out the AMG website also - there are pictures all over the site of an E55 Pace Car that is retrofitted with this bumper. Moreover, that bumper looks somewhat boxy like the one on the new ML63. The rest of the body, however, is exactly the same as the current style. I can guarantee there will be no "redesigned" body that is just an old body style with a new bumper. Nobody does that. German Car Fans found something being tested and for the sake of publicity, labled it as an E63 so that they could throw it in an article with an M5 wagon and S6 Avant. Fear not - THIS IS NO E63.

As far as the engine output debate goes...check this out. I copied this from a link that was RIGHT BELOW the picture of the "E63 Wagon" on GCF which read:

New AMG 6.3 Liter V8
Mercedes-AMG has taken a completely new departure: the new AMG 6.3-litre V8 engine is the first in the world to combine the high-revving concept with a large displacement. Developed entirely by AMG, this high-performance engine has a displacement of 6.3 litres and generates an output of 375 kW/510 hp at 6800 rpm, plus a maximum torque of 630 Newton metres, which makes the new power pack by AMG the world’s most powerful naturally aspirated eight-cylinder production engine. Thanks to its large displacement, the V8 by AMG develops around 20 percent more torque than comparable naturally aspirated engines in this performance class.

Who says the E63 will have 470 hp?

chem0

see.. we can always find reliable and accurate information from our fellow forum members.


not trolls with 3 posts.





therefore..

REVEAL YOURSELF!! WHO IS YOUR EVIL PAY MASTER? GUSTAV?

FPV

I'm quite shocked that everyone is jumping up and down and calling me a troll. I found this article on another forum and since it included the e63, i thought you guys might like to read. I don't post often, im more of a post reader, but sometimes news comes up i post it. I enjoy all makes of cars and certainly am not playing off one brand against another.

And yes i don't believe the 470hp figure either, it should be equivilent to the ml63 power figures at least.

Ive been on these forums for around 3 years, only signed up last year because i wanted to post a thread before about the e63.

merc655

this is no facelifted E wagon AMG. I just went and looked at the pics of my old E55 wagon, not old but we sold it after a couple of months because my mom wanted something else... shes crazy but anywho. I looked at the pics and everything is the same minus the front bumper, which as stated before, is most likely a retrofit.

With the 6.3 info of 470 bhp... now why would they have it rated 1 hp more for a whole new engine, especially with 510/503 numbers already out. Germancarfans only wanted a story to go along with the other wagons so they posted these pics hoping that people with average car knowledge wouldn't think twice about it.

FPV

Yeah that seems true, i thought at least the pictures might offer something, i didnt really bother reading the text, germancarfans.com is not the most accurate by far. Anyway sorry guys the article looks like crap for e63 info, looks like they found some audi info and tacked on whatever they could find to make a special rumour article. I posted awhile ago that in the wheels magazine(Australian magazine) that it stated the e63 would produce 425kw(569hp). However my bets would be on an the ml63 engine with 503hp or so.

vixapphire

actually, the front end has a bra obscuring the bumper, but from what i can see, underneath the bra the lines of the bumper are identical to those of my e55 wagon. the rest of the car is likewise identical. perhaps they're muling the current body to test the engine, perhaps the photos are not an e63 after all. i didn't notice any "63" badging; in fact, the car has the "sport" decal behind the front wheels, and what could easily be stock (but pretty huge) wheels, not racier amg wheels (they don't look like the cls55's wheels, which are newer than the current e55 design; rather, they look more like the wheels on the last-generation "final edition trim" slk of a couple years ago). since you can currently buy an e class sedan with an "amg sport appearance package" that makes it look everything like an e55 save for the wheels, what's to say that the photos posted aren't just a similarly appearance'd e class wagon tooling around the streets of germany?

edit: see photos of the wheels here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Merce...spagenameZWDVW

zdkdeeier493

Those wheels are new. They're from the newly offered 2006 E350 sport. There is a picture below. The reason why its not an appearance package is because it has quad exhaust. As of yet all sport packages have only come with dual.

Check out this link to Edmunds. There is a video of the E55 Wagon (below, middle) and if you look to the right theres a link to a pretty good M5 video as well. Edmunds.com

tommaey

Do you guys notice how the front grille comes to more of a point at the bottom?

*edit*
and the front spoiler looks like an adaptation of the 65 style bumpers (or slk55) with the square jaw rather than rounded

C32 MIA

i would never in a million years give up my supercharged blood for a normally aspirated engine from mercedes! i have read several times that the e55 will be replaced by a bi-turbo 5.5L with an output of around 553hp- this is supposed to be an all new 5.5L to replace the e55's current setup?? anyone else hear this???

MrMuse

The star on the hood will dissapear on the facelifted E-class because of pedestrian safety

RJC

There are going to be different horsepower's for different cars re:the 6.3. As an example, the CLK is getting a reduced HP version, this may explain some of the confusion.

amgdriven

^.................I'm with chem0 on this one

ClayJ

My sources say the E55 will keep the 5.5 S/C for now, and that there will be subtle changes to the front sheetmetal. I wonder if they are going to include the new crumple-zones build into the E (ala the ML? and GL?)....

vixapphire

how many bloody crumple zones will that be, then? i was of the understanding that they've had all of that and more since the late 60's, and the way cars' front ends fold up like accordions at 5mph collisions, what're they gonna do, make the front ends out of wet lasagna sheets? i don't get it...

as for the hood ornament deletion thing, i've only got one word: "pussies"!

ClayJ

I think that the new crumple zones are in the front hood, for 'pedestrians and cyclists'. My limited US understanding is that the European Community passed pedestrian and cyclist (front impact with vehicle) safety standards to take effect in 2007. Because the supercharger is alot of metal and sits where it does, it was assumed/feared that to meet the standards superchargers would have to go. Hence the development of new NA engines and the interest in going back to biturbo's (two turbos, a smaller earlier spinning one and a larger later spinning one mostly eliminate turbo-lag which is viewed as a negative). It appears that MBZ developed the hood crumple zones to allow keeping the S/C'ers (which they have indicated that they are going to keep on the -55's).
That's my understanding....