Gruppe M carbon fiber intake - Now available
01-08-2006, 11:33 PM
#26
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 1,143
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
2017 S63 Coupe Iridium Silver
Originally Posted by KronenTuning
Thank you for 'correcting' my sentence. Very helpful of you. As for the price, we dealers have no control over Gruppe M MSRP.
Good luck, but as a dealer, you are flogging a dead horse.
Contrary to what you said, all dealers have control over the prices by their feedback to the principals.
01-09-2006, 02:40 AM
#30
Super Moderator
I was notified about this product maybe a couple months after buyin the car but totally looked the other way once I found the price of that thing. If we can get the price down significantly I'm all for it...other wise I'll live through the people who have it 
LOL
LOL
01-09-2006, 02:46 AM
#31
ON PROBATION
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 5,024
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Back when I was in school a long time ago we learned that the first thing to do before attempting to produce a product - let alone bringing that product to market - was to determine if there is indeed a market for the product, and to determine if that market for the product would or could supply enough demand to generate enough revenue at given price points to exceed production and marketing costs and so result in a profit.
I think that they missed something here. Whether it's the CF and perceived demand or production cost resulting in a higher price, or simply the pricing, or something else I just don't know....
I wouldn't buy it -- and I can afford to and spend ridiculous amounts of money on my cars!
I'd say that this particular marketing survey of MBWorld E55 Forum members indicated that there are problems with the product as presented and priced...quite obviously.
Perhaps they can sell it somewhere else, to another market? Perhaps they need to lower the price-point and more people would be interested?
I think that they missed something here. Whether it's the CF and perceived demand or production cost resulting in a higher price, or simply the pricing, or something else I just don't know....
I wouldn't buy it -- and I can afford to and spend ridiculous amounts of money on my cars!
I'd say that this particular marketing survey of MBWorld E55 Forum members indicated that there are problems with the product as presented and priced...quite obviously.
Perhaps they can sell it somewhere else, to another market? Perhaps they need to lower the price-point and more people would be interested?
01-09-2006, 10:29 AM
#32
Banned
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario
Posts: 3,797
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
2 Posts
2003 E55 AMG
Originally Posted by ClayJ
I wouldn't buy it -- and I can afford to and spend ridiculous amounts of money on my cars!
I just cant bring myself to pay $3,800 for 15hp (still unproven) for that intake system when it spends its time hidden under the hood anyways. Now, if the gains were 50hp, I would have bought one already.
Right back atcha!, vrus LOL 
01-09-2006, 12:41 PM
#34
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: El Paso, TX
Posts: 1,764
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
2 Posts
'03 G500, '13 G63, '17 GLS63,
I guess they thought that since we are used to paying ridiculous prices for mods, we will not mind paying $3800 for an unproven intake. Looks like the M-B enthusiasts are finally wising up.
01-09-2006, 01:02 PM
#35
No way will I spend 5% of the purchase price of my E55 on a non dyno proven intake. Those prices are for the high net worth that are driving 65 AMGs and other cars.
I'd bet at $3800 you will have a market size of < 20 people out of all of the W211 E55s sold to date.
I'd bet at $3800 you will have a market size of < 20 people out of all of the W211 E55s sold to date.
01-09-2006, 03:46 PM
#36
Former Vendor of MBWorld
Originally Posted by e55 baller
I'd bet at $3800 you will have a market size of < 20 people out of all of the W211 E55s sold to date.
01-09-2006, 05:28 PM
#37
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 4,330
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
'09 911 C4S
It's a very popular system in Japan. I've seen several cars (an SL55, a pair of E46 M3s, an NSX) installed with the system. However, I highly doubt if it would deliver the 20ps as stated...... I think of this more as a show piece (but they designed it so that the engine cover won't fit!? WTF!?)
01-09-2006, 05:59 PM
#38
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 1,143
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
2017 S63 Coupe Iridium Silver
Originally Posted by Kev04C320
I think of this more as a show piece (but they designed it so that the engine cover won't fit!? WTF!?)
How are the intake gains going to be realised without an ECU upgrade to get
the 15hp?
Well, if you want the looks AND the extra power, that will be extra $1500...
Last edited by Rafal; 01-09-2006 at 06:04 PM.
01-09-2006, 10:31 PM
#41
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 4,330
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
'09 911 C4S
Originally Posted by Rafal
As a show piece it fails too: the engine with all its pulleys and belts is permanently exposed. The odd looking C/F and the blue silicon tubing is more at home in a Supra too...
How are the intake gains going to be realised without an ECU upgrade to get
the 15hp?
Well, if you want the looks AND the extra power, that will be extra $1500...
How are the intake gains going to be realised without an ECU upgrade to get
the 15hp?
Well, if you want the looks AND the extra power, that will be extra $1500...
I can get some nice CF trim for my interior with that price.
03-06-2006, 08:17 PM
#43
Administrator
Ask Mikey, he'll eat it, he'll eat anything.
I remember the endless discussions on M3Forum about the Gruppe M intake. Lots of money, looked nice, well constructed and provided as much extra power as a turbo emblem on the back of a normally aspirated Civic.
I remember the endless discussions on M3Forum about the Gruppe M intake. Lots of money, looked nice, well constructed and provided as much extra power as a turbo emblem on the back of a normally aspirated Civic.
Although it IS a very good quality high end product, but 4k come on.
03-06-2006, 10:20 PM
#45
Member
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
05 Pewter E55 (Sold) 2006 Flint Grey E55
Originally Posted by adam@kronen
Thank you for 'correcting' my sentence. Very helpful of you. As for the price, we dealers have no control over Gruppe M MSRP.
Adam,
Could you post a price based on number of individuals for a group buy. For example:
5 buyers = $x Price
10 buyers = $y price
15 buyers = $z price.
I am sure I speak for a number of us that we would like to buy this product, but can justify the price. What more, there really hasn't been anyone out there who has installed the system with proven results. I would imagine that Gruppe M could sell a whole lot more if they could just get it out there. I am sure this mod would be worth some horsepower. How much, we just don't know. For an additional 40+ HP, I would buy for that price. for 10-20, I am not so sure.
Thanks
03-08-2006, 07:32 PM
#47
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 1,143
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
2017 S63 Coupe Iridium Silver
Originally Posted by ricky.agrawal
Just giving Adam some heat
Here is a tip: to be able to afford these exotic cars we work bloody hard and clearly are not stupid, duh...
03-08-2006, 08:49 PM
#48
Former Vendor of MBWorld
Originally Posted by Rafal
Too many esteemed sponsors and vendors of the so called "performance upgrades" for high end cars seem to think that people who can afford to spend a small fortune on a car must have lost their minds so they will just keep paying crazy prices for add-ons later.
Here is a tip: to be able to afford these exotic cars we work bloody hard and clearly are not stupid, duh...
Here is a tip: to be able to afford these exotic cars we work bloody hard and clearly are not stupid, duh...
03-09-2006, 01:42 AM
#49
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 1,143
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
2017 S63 Coupe Iridium Silver
Originally Posted by BlackC230Coupe
That has absolutely nothing to do with a sponsor or vendor. A sponsor or vendor only sells parts that are already manufactured and made by a company. They still need to purchase it from the company for x amount of dollars, they cannot decide what price to really sell it for. Sure a few places may have it a few bucks cheaper, but I think what you are trying to say should be aimed to the company's who make this stuff themselves who charge a lot of money for this.
manufacturers and it is the vendor's choice to try and foist such products on the "starry eyed" enthusiasts who make up this forum.
I stand by my comments: we are not stupid or we would never have earned enough money in the first place to buy these cars (eighteen year olds, whose parents bought their cars excluded...)
$3000 steering wheel, $4000 C/F airbox, what's next, $5000 toilet seat?
We don't all work for the Defence Department....
Last edited by Rafal; 03-09-2006 at 06:43 AM.
03-09-2006, 02:52 AM
#50
Former Vendor of MBWorld
Originally Posted by Rafal
I disagree entirely. It's the vendor's choice to represent ridiculously overpriced
manufacturers and it is the vendor's choice to try and foist such products on the "starry eyed" enthusiasts who make up this forum.
I stand by my comments: we are not stupid or we would never have earned enough money in the first place top buy these cars (eighteen year olds, whose parents bought their cars excluded...)
manufacturers and it is the vendor's choice to try and foist such products on the "starry eyed" enthusiasts who make up this forum.
I stand by my comments: we are not stupid or we would never have earned enough money in the first place top buy these cars (eighteen year olds, whose parents bought their cars excluded...)
