Zlicious

A 996 Trubo S has 444 bhp and weighs in at 3400 lbs
E55 has 469 bhp and weighs in at 4,200 lbs

Why would some of you be surprised at the given outcome?

Oh, and in regards to the C6 Z06, it would smoke both a Turbo S and an E55.

04E55 AMG

We must not forget a small thing called TQ which the E55 has much more of.

btw - How is that possible that the C6 Z06 can smoke all these cars and only cost $65K MSRP and the other cars are so much more $$$$$$.

Jakpro1

Stock to stock...Z's are running 11.7 while fastest stocker we have would be housclass at 11.84. Wouldn't say that is "smoking it".

Bigdot

but the porsche has the AWD on the launch.
just throwng it out there.


mark

lowphat

It's downright depressing

DJE55

I guess you didn't see the video of our track day where the Z did anything but smoke our E55's. What you are saying is correct though. The z06 and the Turbo S should beat our E55's. The problem is that you rarely run up against anyone on the street that can drive those cars to their limit. I would also suggest that those cars are not going to launch as good as our cars do on the street. I know the S is all wheel drive but the car doesn't have the tq to get it out of the hole like the E. The 55's will beat these cars from a dig on the street more times than not just based on what the bozo's normally driving the other cars.

Zlicious

You are right, but the Porsche, if driven aggressively, can be launched at 4K rpms with its awd and dead hook. Plus, weight plays a big role from a stop. Given that the Porsche is lighter, and given that it can scream of the launch with the right driver, an E55 would have a hard time with a TT S.

Not sure if I can help ya there..

jangy

I could see the Z06 taking an E55, even in a straight, but not the Porsche. In a race accross town, yeah. But not in a straight line from a dead stop. AWD only helps IF you have a monster to tame.
If we are going to argue that the cars were designed for certain purposes, the Porsche was NEVER designed to be a drag car. Everything that goes into it is to make it performe at the track, which means rare stops, if any. The AMGs are really only made to dig from light to light, or on the highway, so I would argue that the E55 was actually designed for this argument.
Again, I have enough respect for the Z06 to say that it could get me.

Zlicious

I did see those vids. And I agree with you that most of the time the E will win, but I think that is only due to the fact that most of the Z06 drivers are not your typical drag racers. A more fair comparison, imo, would be a great driver in an E55 vs. a great driver in the C6 Z06. A well driven C6 Z06 will run mid 11's @ 125+ mph in bone stock trim. I have witnessed a few myself running 11.6's@125 an have seen a few on the net running approx. the same time with a similar trap (Have seen 126 on the vet forums)

I believe there are only a few cars out there, these cars being the super exotics, that can outrun a Z06 driver for driver. I think the few that have driven these cars hard will agree with me. This car is FAST!!

04E55 AMG

I agree and love all cars! I placed a deposit yesterday on a 07 Z06 for late this year arrival. It will be going to the boys at LGM for some tweaking and then to John @ Carvaggio before it comes home to Daddy!

My E55 was fast running mid 11's and trapping 123mph, but that was after spending over $15K in mods. I regret that I never took my 911 TT (modded w/Stage 2 EVO) to the 1/4 track, but was able to get close to 150mph on the back straights at Summit Point.

Zlicious

Congrats on the deposit. I also put a deposit and expecting April/May delivery.

Yes, I am a "car guy" also. I am not a "Benz guy" or a "Corvette guy". I love all cars, period. It is such a great time to be a car fanatic, isn't it?..

merc655

good choice with the deposit. you will love every minute of it.

with the Z, the real limiting factor is first gear traction, you really have to know what you are doing in order to get most cars out of the hole but once it gets its legs stretched out, itll beat anything that even comes close in comparison. Z06s are the real deal and it will take a lot of $ and power to take them out from a roll or a stop, with a good driver.

WayneE

A more fair comparison, IMO, would be a poor to average driver in the E55 and a poor to average driver in the Z06. Everyone thinks they can drive a 500+hp 6spd RWD car, but very few know how to put the power down.

Most people who buy Corvettes, even Z06s, aren't racers. The same can be said for people who buy E55s. But the fact remains, it's really easy to run low 12s in an E55. It's more difficult to run those same times with a 500+hp Z06.

Spero - can't wait to see what you do with your Z06. Just a few mods on that thing and it will be running deep in the 10s!

DJE55

You dog!!! I want at least one pass down the track in it. Congrats!

Zlicious

I see what you are saying, but I don't really agree. Here is why:

If you consider the above a better comparison, then that would mean that 100% (probably literally)of the time, average driver vs average driver, the E55 would win, pointing out that the E55 is the quicker car from a dig. This is not true. It is true in some cases, but given great drivers in both, a C6 Z06 would win. The C6 Z06 is the quicker car no matter how you look at it.

I have raced a Ling. Z06 before and I beat it from a dig. I would more than likely beat 90% of Ling owners from a light to light race or maybe even in 1/4. Does that mean I have the quicker car? Def. not!

WayneE

I agree that the C6 Z06 is considerably faster than an E55 (only a well driven Z06), but you made the point yourself by posting this...


The faster/quicker car is the one to the stripe first

BTW, did you get an E55 when you got rid of your 01 Z?

Jakpro1

Yeah the Z's are really struggling in the traction dept from the line from what the guys were saying in car mags. I don't spend time on Vette forums....wonder if they are going better hooking up.

Over on dragtimes.com

150 shot NOS new Z06 only pulled 11.6 (bad driver/track or just spinning allll over). Another guy with just flow pipe mods pulled 11.6 as well. If it was a true 150 shot, that thing should have SHOT through the 1/4. Least lower 11's.

Interesting to see when they start getting them closer to lower 11's like ours with mods.

Zlicious

I don't think the faster/quicker car is the one to the stripe first, because if that is the case, than the 730 rwhp Lingenfelter C5 Z06 that I raced on street tires would have crossed the line first, and not me in my slow, measely 12.1 sec stock 2001 Z06.

If a C6 Z06 races an E55 and loses, that doesn't mean the E55 is quicker.
Or if a E55 races a STI and loses, that doesn't mean the STI is quicker.

Again, I do agree that most of the time, the E55 will win due to drivers. But, there are a few of us out there that know how to drive, and we do go to the drag strip..

If you really want to see how fast a C6 Z is, let her stretch her legs out from a 60 punch in 2nd gear. It is downright scary for a stock car, lol.

No, I don't have a E55. I was in the market for a SRT-10, C6 Z06, used 996 TT, or a used E55. I decided to go with the Z after I drove it. An Utterly unbelivable car!! (Not that that others weren 't great or anything of that sort)

jangy

What's a C6 Z? Is it the 400hp or 500hp?
If it the 400hp, then lets just stop the babble.

04E55 AMG

505hp @ the crank on paper, but stock Z's are being dynoed at about 445rwhp last time I checked. Most dealers are gouging the public with $10K-$15K over MSRP.

WayneE

I have a blown 10 second C5 Z06 I use the same name over on the Z06 Board.




Good luck with the car, I hope it's faster than an E55 from a dig.

TopGun32

looks like the Z06 just got some good competition....


http://www.acurazine.com/forums/show...=110893&page=2

the NEW 997 Turbo..


I wanted to start a new thread, but I rather post in this ones, since it applies to Porsche vs MB.

merc655

Wayne, I knew I had seen you somewhere before.

Given all the arguing, I do still think that stock for stock, an E will probably take an average driven Z to 60, ironically enough, just due to traction and poor start, but soon thereafter the Z will start gaining ground... In the situation that I've had, that's what happened.

and jangy, they are the 505 hp but all the Z owners thats an underestimate :v

04E55 AMG

Having owned a 996 911TT I am not blown away. It looks great but it will be on par with the Z06 which costs 1/2 as much. The Z will win the head to head just on price alone.

Zlicious

New 997 TT will be a great car, no doubt, but, it will not, imo (damn, that's a lot of commas, lol) beat the top dogs on the market today like the F430, Gallardo SE, C6 Z06, etc..

473 bhp @ 3400 lbs is not going to cut it. Nice car nontheless.