mainroman

Was racing slightly modded STI today. (at least exterior mods, big pipe, lowered e.t.c.).
I killed him first time of the light by about 4 car length or so.
He got upset and followed me, I went to turn on an arrow, I turn and I hear and see him accelerating and pulling beside me, I was going about 25 with slow start and was already in 2nd or even 3d Gear, I floor it when he was right on my rear QP level, kick down kicked in when his car was nose to nose and he killed my by 1 car length, we hit 65mph and backed off.

He was alone in the car, I had my wife and the baby inside and a trunk full of stuff and groceries.
Should I be worried that I lost the second time?
Anyone raced STI's before on their 210s???? Mine is bone stock.
I think I lost cos his turbos kicked in when I was still in the process of flooring mine......;-(

NYE55

Not to be a buzz kill but what are you doing racing with your family (Wife & Baby!!!!) in the car???

It just seems like a risk that certainly is not worth taking in my opinion.

Back to the original question: Even a stock STI would be competitive, they are much lighter, all wheel drive and have different gearing - those variables alone will make the race a close one unless the driver of the STI is a novice.

krs01gt

those sti 's are pretty quick, I had fun messing around with a few here in my old car but wouldn't try it in the C, es no fast

good kill, i always hated it if I had somebody in a sedan want to race me and then they end up beating me be careful with the family in the car

medici78

The STi is no joke. Unless you're running a supercharger, I would not expect a W210 to do much against a properly driven STI in a drag race.

mainroman

I never really race when I'm with them.
Just on the straight, when no cars are around. Not stupid, thanks God.
Baby likes it actually, always laughing. Plus we got used to much higher speeds while traveling, (130-155), that's what I usually go on the highways back home. So 65mph...is not too much.

I think that I would've killed him If I floored it at the same time he did.
He probably had a bad launch at the light, but it's funny how he got upset and went on to try it again. I didn't think he'll be flooring it, so I missed the point.
Yesterday I killed 3000GT VR4 on same street fairly easily.
Also I killed the brand new Porsche Boxster S, by 1 car length and he was really pushing it, so I figured I should kill or be nose to nose 0-60-70 with Subie, and then murder it when 5.5L really start to work LOL, too bad not to many places you can do it legally or with low risk....;-(
I never timed my 02,but it feels like 4.8-5.5 sec 0-62 car....is that what they supposed to do??

jpog

I pull on them in my C55 above about 50-60 mph. Anywhere below and we're dead even.

JPOG

mainroman

Don't think he knew how to properly launch it or may be afraid too. Cos I killed him pretty good of that light. His Car was brand new, still had the dealer ad on the license plate spot.

Hey guys, is there a way to fully disengage the ESP on W210??
Cos I was playing with it the other day, trying to find the best way to launch it, so it won't stumble on ESP, I turn it off - but it still kicks in if you floor it right from the start, car just wont go for couple of seconds.
In the manual it says that it stays on until 40mph even if it's off.

Rafal

I have a 2005 E55 and a 2006 STI. The STI will kill W210 but unless it is highly modified (bigger turbo, big intercooler, race exhaust etc) it will not get near the W211 E55.
Launched properly some guys are getting sub 5 sec 0-60 out of stock STI's. You won't do it in a W210 E55.

chem0

question is.. can Tom do that


06' STi.. the one with the new look front? can post some pictures?

Rafal

Yes, that's the one. I have already spent more money on mods in two months than in 10 months on E55- it's great fun at Eastern Creek, though!
These pictures are from two weeks ago track day at Eastern Creek.

Check out this link for all the action, Tom and I took turns all day long:
http://www.jpmphoto.com.au/frame_2.htm Enter Gallery, then
click on ARDC Drive Days, then 25/01/06 to see more photos.

Tom has this nasty habit of letting his left foot slide off the clutch pedal at 5000rpm, so that my head snaps back like it's been king hit by Mike Tyson...
He is better at launching the STI, but I will still beat him in the E55!

C43AMG

jamusa

Great kill.....but you got lucky.The w210/e55 is no match for the wrx sti,given two equal drivers.

jamusa

Great kill.....but you got lucky.The w210/e55 is no match for the wrx sti,given two equal drivers.

C43AMG

...........up to 60 mph.........then it shoots its wad.I know..I spanked one on a roll........

BlownV8

The 210 E55 should/could win but it will be a very close race in the 1/4 mile vs a stock STI. The guy in the STI will have to know how to launch and shift very quickly. However, with a little modding the STI's can run some very fast times but the E55 can also be made to run some very quick times with forced induction too. The STI, if deriven perfectly, will beat you off the line due to the advantages of AWD but the torque of the E55, assuming you have traction, will enable it to catch and overtake the STI before the 1/4 mile is over. The difference in the top end will be more pronounced and the E55 should dispose of the STI quicker.

Roupin

If they drop the clutch off the line, they have a mean launch. Moving off idle is pathtically slow though.

From a roll where the Subie's AWD doesn't give an advantage? I'd put my money on the E55.

W210 E55 runs 0-60 in about 4.7, and the 1/4 in 13.3. The STi runs those numbers only with an aggressive clutch drop. I've NEVER seen a Subaru owner abuse a car like that, and I've raced a few of them.

C43AMG

Roupin , love your signature......guess the passenger never rode in a GNX!

BlownV8

A GNX has plenty of torque!

mainroman

Yeah, I think it should be either even or my loss in 0-62 with proper launch.

That's how people start to mod their cars, you always want to be better and faster then next guy ;-)
Should catch that STI someday and try again, now with better timing ;-)

Rafal

I think you got the 0-60 time confused with W211...
W210 would be lucky to get 5.2-5.3, surely?

SLK55R

E55 210 is 0-60 around 4.7 I think most mags pegged them at 4.8.

I'd say that against the STI your definitely gonna lose out of the hole(assuming decent driver) ... on the highway you will catch up slowly and thats at very high speeds(80+).

I raced a 350z ,of course different car, but similar level and I was slowly pulling away with my E55 210. Since the 350z is a v6 the difference on the highway might be slightly more.

Damn it ... over 3500 miles on my SLK and not one race yet ...

IanSL55

Agreed.

~ Ian

BlownV8

That's the figure I remember reading too. They had the 210 E55 even with a very well driven manual, stock, C5 Corvette. I remember reading the comment in Road & Track that the Corvette would lose in th 1/4 mile unless he could shift and launch perfectly. The 210 E55 was pretty amazing in its day but the 211 is in a whole other league.

TopGun32

minus the wife and baby and groceries, from a roll you should pull away due to the torque.

I raced a stock STI vs my stock C32 (at the time) and from 60 to 100, I was able to get atleast 3 to 4 lenghts...

C32's and 210 E55's are about par ....

V8 AMG

The W210 E55 would pull on a stock WRX Sti in the quarter mile....
Motor magazine in Australia could only get a best of 0-62 in 5.53s and a quarter mile of 13.7sec...granted that is for the MY05 with the 2L engine, but they would test it with a full 5000rpm dump of clutch to get that time.
Now my friend with an MY04 WRX had a 2.5 L Sti transplant (but auto transmission) came along to WSID and the best he could pull was a 13.36 sec for the quarter mile and that's with a proper powerbraking (to 3500rpm) launch. I managed to pip him with a best of 13.2sec in my w210 E55.
An Sti launched hard and with all wheel drive may get out of the hole quicker with a 1.8-1.9s 60ft time but the E55 will reel it in by about the half way mark down the quarter mile.
Rafal, have u or your son made any runs at WSID. If so, what times have u achieved ?