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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 09:43 PM
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new 997. no plates. entering on ramp and see him in rearview see the 55 from behind. about 5 car lengths back and another auto moves into our lane b/w us. cruise for about half mile until two lane opens up to four. 997 moves to left fast lane and slowly comes about about half way and just over my left shoulder. the 55 has slight nose lead ahead. hear him downshift to higher rev then nothing...then all of sudden he punches it a little then lets off -then tries to pull on the 55. well, w/ no-one ahead for a good 1/4 mi. so i mash it, the 55 takes a gulp of oxygen then just unleashes hell at about 55-60 mph up to around 90 mph. after i punched it and started to pull away the 997 wound down and let me go. a mile ahead and with traffic building he pulls up to my left in his faster lane. still with no cars immediatley ahead i look over and slighlty punch it. 997 driver did not bother to look and kept it at speed. so decided to pull in front of him and go even slower until he got over a few miles ahead and slowly pull away to his exit. maybe break-in period but doubt he would have tried to pull given excessive downshift at what already sounded like high rev gear. no matter. ho hum...next.

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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 09:48 PM
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probably not done with break-in yet, most Porsche owners are meticulous about not going over 4000rpm and flooring their car during the long break-in period
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 10:08 PM
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what do the stock 997's run@ 0260 and 1/4? if 55 is ecu and pulley doubt even post break-in it would have mattered. think the 997 0r even 997s would have gotten walked, no?
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 10:09 PM
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According to R/T the 997S is faster 0-60 (3.9) than an E55. The QM is quoted 12.3 @114.8 mph.
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 10:19 PM
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this was just 997. maybe break-in. maybe given 55 mystique wasn't sure what he was dealing with (mod or stock) and decided to keep ego and possible no loss intact since newbie owner...no matter. he pulled. i passed then let him marvel at the quad for a bit. JUST LOVE THIS 55!!!!!!!!!!!! had 993T and e39/m5/Dinan prior. with the risk of sounding like a corn a$$- i really do just love this car...best yet all things in.

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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 10:21 PM
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According to R/T the 997S is faster 0-60 (3.9) than an E55. The QM is quoted 12.3 @114.8 mph.
And the 997 (reg or s)would kill the 55 on a track. However, in a freeway situation it's no contest, no matter how broken in the carrera is (unless things go beyond 155!). I never even used to take them on in my 996TT unless there was a sharpish bend up ahead.
The 997 guy needs to do a little research or upgrade turbo style if he's gonna be trying things like that.
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 10:29 PM
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interesting. let's face it there's alot of fast cars out there but must say from my experience (and unlike the 993 and m5/D), i have never had ANY car beyond the recent few knuckle-heads try and pull on the 55 on the fwy here in Bay area. even have had all kinds of super-type-cars weave in/out/around traffic in my rear-view and not try and play w/ the 55 when they have come up alongside. a few times w/ blinker on they have even slowed and allowed me over rather than try and pull up and pass me. maybe given the easy mod charge on our Kompressors they are not sure what they may dealing with...who knows but very much unlike my experience w/ the other cars. not sure but most just seem to want to let her be.

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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 10:48 PM
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Our cars aren't on every corner but I have found that people DO know what they are and show a bit of respect. Except for the occasional Escalade jockey.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 12:32 AM
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And the 997 (reg or s)would kill the 55 on a track. .
Not necessarily. I beat 997 S, and 996 Turbos on the twisty 2.5 mi circuit every time I go against them. R-compound tires help...
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 12:45 AM
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According to R/T the 997S is faster 0-60 (3.9) than an E55. The QM is quoted 12.3 @114.8 mph.
The low 0-60 time is most like attributed to the rear weight bias and wide tire width. More weight over propelling wheels + wide tire width = better launch.

Take the launch out of the equation, and I'm sure we all know what'll happen against the 55k.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by m52e55
this was just 997. maybe break-in. maybe given 55 mystique wasn't sure what he was dealing with (mod or stock) and decided to keep ego and possible no loss intact since newbie owner...no matter. he pulled. i passed then let him marvel at the quad for a bit. JUST LOVE THIS 55!!!!!!!!!!!! had 993T and e39/m5/Dinan prior. with the risk of sounding like a corn a$$- i really do just love this car...best yet all things in.
You'll walk all over a 997 non-S no matter what.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RJC
According to R/T the 997S is faster 0-60 (3.9) than an E55. The QM is quoted 12.3 @114.8 mph.
RJC, that time was an aberation. They beat the crap out of the car to get that time (I think the article even mentioned severe wheel hop). I think 4.5 0-60 and mid to high 12's for the 1/4 for the S is reasonable.

If I come across an E55 I will be sure to make believe I don't see it - unless there are some bends in the road! The p-car accelerates no where near like an E55 but it aint too shabby. Even though it only has 355 HP it does weigh only about 3,100 lbs. If you're in the right gear and RPM's it does pull pretty hard. Now, for approx. $10K I can slap on an EVO supercharger and add another 100HP. Repeat to self: Don't do it, Don't do it, Don't do it. Nah, Any change i'm thinking TT or GT3.

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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Rafal
Not necessarily. I beat 997 S, and 996 Turbos on the twisty 2.5 mi circuit every time I go against them. R-compound tires help...
That to was an aberation (or they can't drive) LOL. I've owned both and trust me there is no comparison. The speed at which this thing takes turns is laughable.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:21 AM
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Now, for approx. $10K I can slap on an EVO supercharger and add another 100HP. Repeat to self: Don't do it, Don't do it, Don't do it. Nah, Any change i'm thinking TT or GT3.
Chris --- DO IT, DO IT!!! 997TT would be pretty sweet!

Off topic -- chris, you will be happy to know that K2 hung with an SLR the other night on the freeway
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:25 AM
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Chris --- DO IT, DO IT!!! 997TT would be pretty sweet!

Off topic -- chris, you will be happy to know that K2 hung with an SLR the other night on the freeway
Hey Josh, great job with the SLR! I was following your thread about going to the track but I guess weather wasn't great. Curious to see what you run.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 12:18 PM
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Where did you see the SLR. I need to start hanging out there. So far, it's only bikes that will run.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 12:33 PM
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Josh,

Where did you see the SLR. I need to start hanging out there. So far, it's only bikes that will run.
On the 15. It was around 2am, on the way home from the Bellagio.

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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cte430
That to was an aberation (or they can't drive) LOL. I've owned both and trust me there is no comparison. The speed at which this thing takes turns is laughable.
I agree, I've driven both and there is a big difference, I think it's called the cojones...
Have you tried these tires? They are a great equalizer, my secret weapon...
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 07:07 PM
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Nice! They must stick like glue. I've seen your video's and you must surprise a lot of people. I've always thought the E55 handled better than it was given credit for. It's the steering feel that MB needs to work on.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Rafal
Not necessarily. I beat 997 S, and 996 Turbos on the twisty 2.5 mi circuit every time I go against them. R-compound tires help...
Nice tires!!
You must be a superior driver to the guys in the carreras. good work. with equal drivers though, a 55k isn't getting close to a 996TT around any twisty track
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Lassiter
And the 997 (reg or s)would kill the 55 on a track. However, in a freeway situation it's no contest, no matter how broken in the carrera is (unless things go beyond 155!). I never even used to take them on in my 996TT unless there was a sharpish bend up ahead.
The 997 guy needs to do a little research or upgrade turbo style if he's gonna be trying things like that.
ggggrrrrrr, i almost got mad, until I noticed its an Audi man.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 08:34 PM
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I agree, I've driven both and there is a big difference, I think it's called the cojones...
Have you tried these tires? They are a great equalizer, my secret weapon...
Hey Rafal....nice tires. Are they too impractical for DD use? If they just wear faster, i would do it. But I remember doing something similar before and i just could never get the tires heated up fast enough to play and then they turned into concrete after about 10 cycles.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Lassiter
with equal drivers though, a 55k isn't getting close to a 996TT around any twisty track
Hard to argue with that
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 09:51 PM
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Hey Rafal....nice tires. Are they too impractical for DD use? If they just wear faster, i would do it. But I remember doing something similar before and i just could never get the tires heated up fast enough to play and then they turned into concrete after about 10 cycles.
Strictly circuit use only. Hard and noisy, slippery in the wet.Once they warm up over two laps and get sticky like chewing gum, watch out Porsches!
I even had to get a special front plate made for track days...
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 12:13 PM
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Strictly circuit use only. Hard and noisy, slippery in the wet.Once they warm up over two laps and get sticky like chewing gum, watch out Porsches!
I even had to get a special front plate made for track days...
Mint pic!!!! Haha, there's a common sight. is it just me or are those Lotus cars not so fast? I know they have no a$$, but I assumed they could handle but that is not what I've seen.
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