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Old 07-05-2007, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluemax
I think you forgot to tell us this E63 only has 700 miles on the clock. Lets see after it has 3k or more. The results will be refreshing..
I didn't leave anything out intentionally. Antero and I will set up more runs when he has more miles on his ride.


Originally Posted by SAMSSONZ
JUICE IS RIGHT, The 63 engine is completly different once it reaches 2500-3000 miles. Me and a few other members here noticed it. Anyway heres a few vids of me racing a cls55 on the ****iest track on earth. Were both relatively new to the track. The 63 is in blk.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W4VHCCXxNv8

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WmGOCXjHV18

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eIPocAgY4Ec
Thanks for sharing!! I think I have seen those before just from searching on youtube, not from an mbworld link. I didn't know which car was which. I am assuming, now, that the white car is the 55. Just curious why didn't he do a burnout as well? Also, why didn't the camera man capture both results instead of just one of the cars #s? Thanks for the vids though!!
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Originally Posted by stevebez
A 8500 mile E63 was beaten by SL55 from 10mph roll to +- 110/120 by 2-3 lengths and looked to be falling back further. Was close but the SL55 was bone stock and the 63 well run in ... This was on a run when both cars took off evenly.

The best the 63 could do was hold against the SL55 if the E63 got a jump at the start ...

There is one very important thing we miss here ... for example a 0.3 of second jump at 10mph roll is maybe 1-1.5 metres jump but translates into ~3 car lengths at 110mph ... so while it might look like a massive gap the high speed makes the delta look massive when in fact they are very tiny time wise.

This result would be expected. the SL should pull .2-.3 from 10-70 and hold the lead till around 115, the 63 hits max power in 4th gear between 130-145. A roll from 70-150 would put the 63 in front , Im sure you will see this at your upcoming event. Cars are close so the race parameters are critical in noting.
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Originally Posted by J 2OOI
I didn't leave anything out intentionally. Antero and I will set up more runs when he has more miles on his ride.




Thanks for sharing!! I think I have seen those before just from searching on youtube, not from an mbworld link. I didn't know which car was which. I am assuming, now, that the white car is the 55. Just curious why didn't he do a burnout as well? Also, why didn't the camera man capture both results instead of just one of the cars #s? Thanks for the vids though!!
Burnout was not helping traction. Sorry the video does not capture everything. It certainly demonstrates one thing..Black cars are always faster than White ones, LOL
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Originally Posted by J 2OOI
I didn't leave anything out intentionally. Antero and I will set up more runs when he has more miles on his ride.




Thanks for sharing!! I think I have seen those before just from searching on youtube, not from an mbworld link. I didn't know which car was which. I am assuming, now, that the white car is the 55. Just curious why didn't he do a burnout as well? Also, why didn't the camera man capture both results instead of just one of the cars #s? Thanks for the vids though!!
Like I said before, We're both amateurs on the track and Im sure my 20 inch rims say it all
As for the camera man, I dnt know wat he was smokin' but In all honesty, That wht 55 got beat so many times that day(about 10 times) by me, That I dont think anyone on the track including my camera man cared anymore.
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Originally Posted by juicee63
Burnout was not helping traction. Sorry the video does not capture everything. It certainly demonstrates one thing..Black cars are always faster than White ones, LOL
LOL +1000
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Originally Posted by J 2OOI
I didn't leave anything out intentionally. Antero and I will set up more runs when he has more miles on his ride.




Thanks for sharing!! I think I have seen those before just from searching on youtube, not from an mbworld link. I didn't know which car was which. I am assuming, now, that the white car is the 55. Just curious why didn't he do a burnout as well? Also, why didn't the camera man capture both results instead of just one of the cars #s? Thanks for the vids though!!
Here is another.

http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...t=Video076.flv
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Thanks for the Info guys!

Silver cars are always faster than black cars though, why do you think the Mercedes F1 Pace Cars are silver
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yes once....and there a "couple" of these 63's that already have ECU tuning and arent being forthright
Don't forget they all take out the charcoal filters but still claim to be 'stock' If it really gives 20hp as they say, then an E55 with a 80mm TB or just a pulley should be 'stock' to yes?
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Originally Posted by juicee63
This result would be expected. the SL should pull .2-.3 from 10-70 and hold the lead till around 115, the 63 hits max power in 4th gear between 130-145. A roll from 70-150 would put the 63 in front , Im sure you will see this at your upcoming event. Cars are close so the race parameters are critical in noting.
You're forgetting that the SL55 is heavier and slower than an E55 though. Getting beat by an SL55 is not a good sign.
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Don't forget they all take out the charcoal filters but still claim to be 'stock' If it really gives 20hp as they say, then an E55 with a 80mm TB or just a pulley should be 'stock' to yes?

NHRA does not consider filter change or removal a modification to the engine. LOL, nice try
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But for the purposes of comparing STOCK cars they are mods. Anything done to the car, other than maintenance, is a mod - filter(s), TB, airbox mods, ECU tuning, etc.
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Originally Posted by juicee63
NHRA does not consider filter change or removal a modification to the engine. LOL, nice try
josh u didnt just say that did u...shaking finger at u
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You guys are getting a little out of hand here.
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Whats the hubbub bub?

Confirmed: E63 is faster than E550

Gustav do you believe this?
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Euro models dont come with a charcoal filter/ Its only done for u.s. emissions purposes. Its not really that big of a deal either
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Originally Posted by Jrocket
You guys are getting a little out of hand here.
Did you see 10 vids last night? I may have missed them, what with all the fireworks and all.

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Originally Posted by Yacht Master
Did you see 10 vids last night? I may have missed them, what with all the fireworks and all.


There are only 7 posted but we have more.......Fact is My modded 63(filters removed, floor mats, ash trays, no spare tire) HAS NEVER LOST TO A 55 . I have raced several in the E and CLS form as well as an SL . Guess the ash tray removal makes the difference, oh yeah, NO CHANGE. The difference is minute, negligible, tiny,moot,not worth debating. Cars are = race is determined by Gustav err I mean driver. IRWINDALE tonight, come out and see , I believe and so will you

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Originally Posted by Yacht Master
Confirmed: E63 is faster than E550

Gustav do you believe this?

According to Edmunds not even that is a true statement
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Originally Posted by juicee63
Cars are = race is determined by Gustav err I mean driver.
hillarious Josh who knew u had jokes
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Originally Posted by Jrocket
You guys are getting a little out of hand here.
What are you waiting for, go race juicee and show him what's up. If I owned a stock 55 in the west coast it would be on like Donkey Kong. The only logical reason for his victories must be that Juicee has raced the slowest 55's in the country.. Dam west coast 55's making all of us look bad.

55 for life.

LOL- just trying to add a little more fuel to the fire.
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Bring It

Even though us 63 guys are a minority on this forum. We did provide more than a few vids of 63s beating the all mighty 55s yet you guys manage to bring out excuses like his car is slow or he didn't take his ash tray out or he wasn't wearing his lucky pink underwear or Whatever. Aside from all the gibberish I will race any stock 55 out here in socal (PREFERRABLY a CLS since the E-class is lighter)somewhere on the 101 by sfv. 30-100 and 60-140. This is in no way meant to disrespect any members here but to simply prove the superiority of the two for better or worse.

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Originally Posted by SAMSSONZ
Even though us 63 guys are a minority on this forum. We did provide more than a few vids of 63s beating the all mighty 55s I will race any stock 55 out here in socal (PREFERRABLY a CLS since the E-class is lighter)somewhere on the 101 by sfv. 30-100 and 60-140. This is in no way meant to disrespect any members here but to simply prove the superiority of the two for better or worse.
Are you serious? You guys have posted a few vids of the same lame a$$ CLS55 getting beat over and over. That white car would have been beat by my wifes Navigator. The other car had the steering wheel on the wrong side so who knows with that guy. It was probably a suicide bomber trying to go unnoticed. All joking aside, have you guys not been looking at the track times for these cars? You don't have 1 car that has posted a time that will beat the average E55. I've seen plenty of E55's run like *****. I have a video of guys running my car turning 11.9's in it on the same day I ran 11.3's.

Some people love fast cars but they just can't drive. It's simple, if the 63's were faster, we would have seen at least one turn a good number by now wouldn't we? I love the cars but they just aren't as fast. Don't get me the BS about the mileage either. Most of you guys have more than 3k miles on your cars. You can settle this real easy, send some of your best E63's to MIR on 10/8 for the big track day. I'm sure they'll have plenty of stock E55's for you guys to prove your point on.

Man, we are starting to beat this to death almost as bad as the M5 vs E55 debate. FWIW I still love the 63's even though they are a bit slower.
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Originally Posted by rflow306
What are you waiting for, go race juicee and show him what's up. If I owned a stock 55 in the west coast it would be on like Donkey Kong. The only logical reason for his victories must be that Juicee has raced the slowest 55's in the country.. Dam west coast 55's making all of us look bad.

55 for life.

LOL- just trying to add a little more fuel to the fire.
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Juicee,my mentor has spoken! You must be put down now!
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I would be curious to hear the results from a roll...say 20mph-100mph or so. This is definately surprising given the fact that the 63 gives up ~40ft/lbs of torque.....Good for MB though.....I love to see progress and improvements in the engineering. :-)


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